Soriano and St. John’s Big Men

A wide berth here about what constitutes a big man. Many of these players (Berry, Williams, Burrell, Grant, Glover, etc.) were not true centers, even though they played there in college. Others (Allen, Owens, Obepka, etc.) were very limited in terms of time here or playing time. If you limit it to true centers who played full careers here, in the post 1975ish era, IMHO (probably missing someone):

1. Joel Soriano
2. Zendon Hamilton
3. Lamont Hamilton
4. Werdann
5. Wennington
6. Wayne McKoy
7. Shawnelle Scott


But, some of the best we've had here at the position (adjusted for the eras they played in) were probably pre-1975 - guys like Zawoluk, George Johnson, Ellis, etc.
Another name to throw in from the early 1970s that often gets forgotten is Ed Searcy. Although only about 6'6" he played center for us. Was one of the best leapers I've ever seen and averaged a double double over 3 years, including 13 ppg and 14 rebounds in his junior year.
 
Another name to throw in from the early 1970s that often gets forgotten is Ed Searcy. Although only about 6'6" he played center for us. Was one of the best leapers I've ever seen and averaged a double double over 3 years, including 13 ppg and 14 rebounds in his junior year.
For the life of me could not remember his name last night. He and Beaver Smith played so far above the rim that it seemed they could block shots in the rafters. I fell in lovevwith st. John's watching that team play. Too small to make my list, apologies to Wes Unseld but a great player here txfer from Duquesne to back home.
 
For the life of me could not remember his name last night. He and Beaver Smith played so far above the rim that it seemed they could block shots in the rafters. I fell in lovevwith st. John's watching that team play. Too small to make my list, apologies to Wes Unseld but a great player here txfer from Duquesne to back home.
Also was part of that great Power Memorial team with Len Elmore. I hear you about height Beast, but he did play center for us for 3 years and frankly his three year stats at that position better than some of the others mentioned. Actually, I stand corrected he played center for us his last 2 years (his best two), his first year Bill Phillips played center. The team he played for in his junior was ranked in the top 20 from January on.
Those were during the years my Dad had season's tickets close behind the St. John's bench, have great memories of watching Searcy, Mel Davis, Glen Williams, Beaver Smith, Frankie Alagia etc.
 
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Also was part of that great Power Memorial team with Len Elmore. I hear you about height Beast, but he did play center for us for 3 years and frankly his three year stats at that position better than some of the others mentioned. Actually, I stand corrected he played center for us his last 2 years (his best two), his first year Bill Phillips played center. The team he played for in his junior was ranked in the top 20 from January on.
Those were during the years my Dad had season's tickets close behind the St. John's bench, have great memories of watching Searcy, Mel Davis, Glen Williams, Beaver Smith, Frankie Alagia etc.
Convincing argument, counselor. You win, and I admit he would have been on my list not for cobwebs in my head.

Panther, I don't remember him being around at games. Do you know him?

 
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A young Monte in his living room watching on his family's 25' Magnavox color TV dancing to the rhythms of Soul Train. :giggle:
 
Also was part of that great Power Memorial team with Len Elmore. I hear you about height Beast, but he did play center for us for 3 years and frankly his three year stats at that position better than some of the others mentioned. Actually, I stand corrected he played center for us his last 2 years (his best two), his first year Bill Phillips played center. The team he played for in his junior was ranked in the top 20 from January on.
Those were during the years my Dad had season's tickets close behind the St. John's bench, have great memories of watching Searcy, Mel Davis, Glen Williams, Beaver Smith, Frankie Alagia etc.
I don't remember Bill Smith - just before my time, but i think the other 4 you mentioned would have been key members of every single very good sju team sonce their playing days.
 
A wide berth here about what constitutes a big man. Many of these players (Berry, Williams, Burrell, Grant, Glover, etc.) were not true centers, even though they played there in college. Others (Allen, Owens, Obepka, etc.) were very limited in terms of time here or playing time. If you limit it to true centers who played full careers here, in the post 1975ish era, IMHO (probably missing someone):

1. Joel Soriano
2. Zendon Hamilton
3. Lamont Hamilton
4. Werdann
5. Wennington
6. Wayne McKoy
7. Shawnelle Scott


But, some of the best we've had here at the position (adjusted for the eras they played in) were probably pre-1975 - guys like Zawoluk, George Johnson, Ellis, etc.
Great post. George Johnson played from 74 to 78 and was not really a center but did tear up Indiana's Kent Benson in a head to head match up.
 
Also was part of that great Power Memorial team with Len Elmore. I hear you about height Beast, but he did play center for us for 3 years and frankly his three year stats at that position better than some of the others mentioned.

Convincing argument, counselor. You win, and I admit he would have been on my list not for cobwebs in my head.

Panther, I don't remember him being around at games. Do you know him?

Convincing argument, counselor. You win, and I admit he would have been on my list not for cobwebs in my head.

Panther, I don't remember him being around at games. Do you know him?

Ed Searcy has been my guest at a few games in recent years. He also attended the statue unveiling for Coach Carnesecca. Little known fact, Ed won an NBA championship with the Boston Celtics.
 
I'm 36, my memory goes back as early as Zendon. Joel is the best big man throughout my fandom and it isn't damn close. He is going to be cherished and appreciated for his talent and most importantly pride to wear the uniform. His passion to get this program back to the national stage is voiced in every press conference and screams out on the court. Senior day is going to be bitter sweet, he will be sorely missed when he's gone.


Joel is at 677 and counting. He should easily break into the Top10 all time in rebounding and likely be 6th all time by mid March passing Malik Sealy, Mel Davis, David Russell, Wayne McKoy and Charles Minland. In three years no less! If he was here all 4 years he would be chasing George Johnson for the program's all time rebounder crown. He is a legend fellas.
 
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I'm 36, my memory goes back as early as Zendon. Joel is the best big man throughout my fandom and it isn't damn close. He is going to be cherished and appreciated for his talent and most importantly pride to wear the uniform. His passion to get this program back to the national stage is voiced in every press conference and screams out on the court. Senior day is going to be bitter sweet, he will be sorely missed when he's gone.


Joel is at 677 and counting. He should easily break into the Top10 all time in rebounding and likely be 6th all time by mid March passing Malik Sealy, Mel Davis, David Russell, Wayne McKoy and Charles Minland. In three years no less! If he was here all 4 years he would be the program's all time leading rebounder upwards of 1,300.
Agreed. And would be huge for Joel to make the tourney to cement his legacy here.
 
bill wennington - the man, the myth

is bill top 5 center, top 1 center, the best team player ever?

i believe bill to be the best team player ever. why? he had untapped ability and because he was surrounded by great and good players he sacrificed stats for wins.

he was never the 1st, nor 2nd, nor 3rd, nor ... option. as he had 2 POY guys - #20 and walter, 3 other future nbaers - jackson, rowan, jones, and 6 other future pros - glass, moses, stewart, shurina, bross, and cornegy. with only one basketball and a coach that did not like track meets.
yet he still scored 1000 plus points and 640 plus rebounds and 3 nba rings..

wayne mccoy was 6 ft 8 inches as an eight grader. never grew after that.
 
Another name to throw in from the early 1970s that often gets forgotten is Ed Searcy. Although only about 6'6" he played center for us. Was one of the best leapers I've ever seen and averaged a double double over 3 years, including 13 ppg and 14 rebounds in his junior year.
Ed, a former Power Memorial guy, w Jap Trimble & Len Elmore in 1970. One of best trios in CHSAA history. More importantly, one of Panther’s 500 plus hoops buddies.
 
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