SMU Problems

[jetstorm]

If UConn's academic profile doesnt fit in to the ACC then it certainly doesnt fit into the Big East... from top to bottom the Big East is a much better academic conference than the ACC.

ACC has 14 schools in the top 100 (undergrad)
Big East has two (2) schools

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

not that i care about the academics...im all for the sports..... and i was mistaken about UConn they are # 58 on the list

Hell, even the A10 has 3 and Dayton just misses at #103!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DaTiger]

To bring the discussion back to SMU Problems:

For those interested in poaching a recruit from SMU, they have the following players planning to join the team this fall:

Point guards:
Sedrick Barefield (LOI)
Chad Lott

Shooting guards:
Shake Milton (LOI)
LaGerald Vick (VC)

Small Forward:
Jarrey Foster (LOI)

Power Forward:
Hassan Thomas

 

[beast of the east]

If UConn's academic profile doesnt fit in to the ACC then it certainly doesnt fit into the Big East... from top to bottom the Big East is a much better academic conference than the ACC.

ACC has 14 schools in the top 100 (undergrad)
Big East has two (2) schools

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

not that i care about the academics...im all for the sports..... and i was mistaken about UConn they are # 58 on the list

It's a very good discussion for a non basketball thread. Most Catholic schools are urban, having been established to educate poorer Irish Catholic then Italian Catholic immigrants. As the ethnic landscape changed, many have stayed true to their mission. Georgetown and Villanova are obvious exceptions in the Big East, and Providence isn't very far behind, and I'm surprised they aren't a top 100 school. But other than that, some urban Catholic schools - St. John's, Marquette, DePaul, for example, will have a hard time cracking the top 100 unless they change strategy and become more selective over time.

Marquette is #76.

Well, what do you know? Good to hear. Marquette - Jesuit?

 

[rcatalano]

If UConn's academic profile doesnt fit in to the ACC then it certainly doesnt fit into the Big East... from top to bottom the Big East is a much better academic conference than the ACC.

Questionable!!!

 

[monte]

If UConn's academic profile doesnt fit in to the ACC then it certainly doesnt fit into the Big East... from top to bottom the Big East is a much better academic conference than the ACC.

ACC has 14 schools in the top 100 (undergrad)
Big East has two (2) schools

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

not that i care about the academics...im all for the sports..... and i was mistaken about UConn they are # 58 on the list

It's a very good discussion for a non basketball thread. Most Catholic schools are urban, having been established to educate poorer Irish Catholic then Italian Catholic immigrants. As the ethnic landscape changed, many have stayed true to their mission. Georgetown and Villanova are obvious exceptions in the Big East, and Providence isn't very far behind, and I'm surprised they aren't a top 100 school. But other than that, some urban Catholic schools - St. John's, Marquette, DePaul, for example, will have a hard time cracking the top 100 unless they change strategy and become more selective over time.

Marquette is #76.

Well, what do you know? Good to hear. Marquette - Jesuit?

Of course Jesuit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jerseyshorejohnny]

FWIW...Villanova and Providence are not listed among National Universities


They are #1 and # 2, respectively, in The Northeast (Regional Colleges) classification

 

[monte]

Rankings aside, PC's academic stock continues to rise IMO. Its looked upon very favorably by high school administrators and guidance counselors, and is becoming an increasing popular option for high school students looking at Catholic colleges and who may not have to credentials for BC, GT, Nova and ND.

 

[TX Redman]

According to the Dallas Morning News, it's not just basketball that is in trouble. Golf program infractions involved sending impermissible text messages to recruits and giving school apparel to prospects.

Not quite a shiny new car but no doubt, given its past, SMU comes in for a little extra scrutiny.

 

[beast of the east]

FWIW...Villanova and Providence are not listed among National Universities


They are #1 and # 2, respectively, in The Northeast (Regional Colleges) classification

This is always confusing. To be considered a national university, I believe it has something to do with the number of PhD programs or graduates a school has. I heard Fr. Peter from Villanova speak in NYC last spring and a part of a fund raiser referred to his vision of VIllanova going forward as a great national university. Clearly they have designs on that. My guess is that if they were ranked nationally , they would be somewhere between 35-40.

 

[beast of the east]

Rankings aside, PC's academic stock continues to rise IMO. Its looked upon very favorably by high school administrators and guidance counselors, and is becoming an increasing popular option for high school students looking at Catholic colleges and who may not have to credentials for BC, GT, Nova and ND.

Agreed. In the East, I'd still choose Holy Cross and then maybe Fordham over Providence, and right now it may be harder to get into Providence than Fordham. Kids who go to Providence (Augustinian) seem to love the school.

 

[Avon Barksdale]

If UConn's academic profile doesnt fit in to the ACC then it certainly doesnt fit into the Big East... from top to bottom the Big East is a much better academic conference than the ACC.

ACC has 14 schools in the top 100 (undergrad)
Big East has two (2) schools

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

not that i care about the academics...im all for the sports..... and i was mistaken about UConn they are # 58 on the list

At least you are honest Hit about caring for the sports and agree with me and some others that when it comes to college basketball academics is likely down near the bottom of the list of a high major recruit who wants to play professional ball.
Recruits will go to schools like Louisville, UNLV, Memphis or St. John's for their basketball even though they are not top 100 schools.
Schools in the top 50 will always be there because of huge endowments and high selectivity. They can be very selective and exclusive because they are filthy rich and do not depend on tuition as much as most private schools, especially Catholic ones. The rankings are very deceptive after the first 50. Remember, this ranking that St. John's is in falls under national universities, and it gets evaluated against truly "national" and in the case of the top 50 "international" universities. The best high school grads all have those schools near the top of their list so schools like St. John's accept kids that may take longer to graduate and are from less affluent families. If St. John's did not admit the bottom 20 % they currently admit over a four year period their ranking likely would be in the 80' or 90's. There is really very little difference between DePaul, Seton Hall and St. John's but they are 20 points higher in the ranking. The Big East is full of very good schools from top to bottom and certainly more so than the football rich and powerful SEC.

This is why ill ever take shots at schools for " academic wrongdoing" I saw it go on at SJU firsthand and I'm sure it goes on everywhere they play big time bball and football. This is a business. The NCAA is more full of sheeeeet than anyone lose when they wax poetic about the importance of academics. And to be honest I'm totally okay with it. I love college football and bball but I am not under the illusion that these kids are there for an education. If I cared about how smart kids were I'd watch the ESPN spelling bee and not read our recruits section. This is the same to me as rooting for the Knicks and the jets. I can really care less who's liberal arts college is the best and who has the best law school blah blah blah. Who has the best quarterback? Who has the nicest arena? Who is on TV? Who is St. John's recruiting to play point guard not who is coming to St. John's who won the valedictorian in their high school......

 

[monte]

Rankings aside, PC's academic stock continues to rise IMO. Its looked upon very favorably by high school administrators and guidance counselors, and is becoming an increasing popular option for high school students looking at Catholic colleges and who may not have to credentials for BC, GT, Nova and ND.

Agreed. In the East, I'd still choose Holy Cross and then maybe Fordham over Providence, and right now it may be harder to get into Providence than Fordham. Kids who go to Providence (Augustinian) seem to love the school.

Agree on HC. A notch below the others but a notch above PC and Fordham. I would put Fordham and PC neck and neck as far as academic reputation goes, although PC being much smaller I think makes it a tougher admission right now. Also as we know these schools go through popularity phases. Fairfield and Loyola, Md also seem to be moving up in the ranks as a popular destination amongst the Catholic Schools. I would be happy with my daughter, a High School Junior, at any of the schools we've mentioned. Gotta hand it to them, those Jesuits sure do know how to run a good school.

 

[monte]

If UConn's academic profile doesnt fit in to the ACC then it certainly doesnt fit into the Big East... from top to bottom the Big East is a much better academic conference than the ACC.

ACC has 14 schools in the top 100 (undergrad)
Big East has two (2) schools

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

not that i care about the academics...im all for the sports..... and i was mistaken about UConn they are # 58 on the list

At least you are honest Hit about caring for the sports and agree with me and some others that when it comes to college basketball academics is likely down near the bottom of the list of a high major recruit who wants to play professional ball.
Recruits will go to schools like Louisville, UNLV, Memphis or St. John's for their basketball even though they are not top 100 schools.
Schools in the top 50 will always be there because of huge endowments and high selectivity. They can be very selective and exclusive because they are filthy rich and do not depend on tuition as much as most private schools, especially Catholic ones. The rankings are very deceptive after the first 50. Remember, this ranking that St. John's is in falls under national universities, and it gets evaluated against truly "national" and in the case of the top 50 "international" universities. The best high school grads all have those schools near the top of their list so schools like St. John's accept kids that may take longer to graduate and are from less affluent families. If St. John's did not admit the bottom 20 % they currently admit over a four year period their ranking likely would be in the 80' or 90's. There is really very little difference between DePaul, Seton Hall and St. John's but they are 20 points higher in the ranking. The Big East is full of very good schools from top to bottom and certainly more so than the football rich and powerful SEC.

This is why ill ever take shots at schools for " academic wrongdoing" I saw it go on at SJU firsthand and I'm sure it goes on everywhere they play big time bball and football. This is a business. The NCAA is more full of sheeeeet than anyone lose when they wax poetic about the importance of academics. And to be honest I'm totally okay with it. I love college football and bball but I am not under the illusion that these kids are there for an education. If I cared about how smart kids were I'd watch the ESPN spelling bee and not read our recruits section. This is the same to me as rooting for the Knicks and the jets. I can really care less who's liberal arts college is the best and who has the best law school blah blah blah. Who has the best quarterback? Who has the nicest arena? Who is on TV? Who is St. John's recruiting to play point guard not who is coming to St. John's who won the valedictorian in their high school......

I too saw it first hand while at SJU, which is why I'll rarely criticize other coaches and schools when things get exposed. Its my "people in glass houses..." rational.

 

[88grad]

If UConn's academic profile doesnt fit in to the ACC then it certainly doesnt fit into the Big East... from top to bottom the Big East is a much better academic conference than the ACC.

Since when does academics have anything to do with conference affiliation? Do you think Louisville got into the ACC because of their great academics? Do you think Florida St has anything in common with Duke? Do you think NC St is a world class research university? It is all about $$.

Florida State exceeds Duke in one very important category - the number of students with education in "clowning". Yes, you can go to Florida State to learn how to become a clown.



Maybe that's why Jameis Winston went there.....

 

[beast of the east]

Rankings aside, PC's academic stock continues to rise IMO. Its looked upon very favorably by high school administrators and guidance counselors, and is becoming an increasing popular option for high school students looking at Catholic colleges and who may not have to credentials for BC, GT, Nova and ND.

Agreed. In the East, I'd still choose Holy Cross and then maybe Fordham over Providence, and right now it may be harder to get into Providence than Fordham. Kids who go to Providence (Augustinian) seem to love the school.

Agree on HC. A notch below the others but a notch above PC and Fordham. I would put Fordham and PC neck and neck as far as academic reputation goes, although PC being much smaller I think makes it a tougher admission right now. Also as we know these schools go through popularity phases. Fairfield and Loyola, Md also seem to be moving up in the ranks as a popular destination amongst the Catholic Schools. I would be happy with my daughter, a High School Junior, at any of the schools we've mentioned. Gotta hand it to them, those Jesuits sure do know how to run a good school.

Monte,

I know kids at every one of the schools you mentioned, so if you visit and would like one of those kids to show you around, I can facilitate. Good luck. It's a fun process, but a daunting one also. In my experience, Jesuit schools aren't as warm and fuzzy as say Augustinian or Dominican, but they are the best educators overall.

 

[monte]

Rankings aside, PC's academic stock continues to rise IMO. Its looked upon very favorably by high school administrators and guidance counselors, and is becoming an increasing popular option for high school students looking at Catholic colleges and who may not have to credentials for BC, GT, Nova and ND.

Agreed. In the East, I'd still choose Holy Cross and then maybe Fordham over Providence, and right now it may be harder to get into Providence than Fordham. Kids who go to Providence (Augustinian) seem to love the school.

Agree on HC. A notch below the others but a notch above PC and Fordham. I would put Fordham and PC neck and neck as far as academic reputation goes, although PC being much smaller I think makes it a tougher admission right now. Also as we know these schools go through popularity phases. Fairfield and Loyola, Md also seem to be moving up in the ranks as a popular destination amongst the Catholic Schools. I would be happy with my daughter, a High School Junior, at any of the schools we've mentioned. Gotta hand it to them, those Jesuits sure do know how to run a good school.

Monte,

I know kids at every one of the schools you mentioned, so if you visit and would like one of those kids to show you around, I can facilitate. Good luck. It's a fun process, but a daunting one also. In my experience, Jesuit schools aren't as warm and fuzzy as say Augustinian or Dominican, but they are the best educators overall.

Thanks Beast, will likely take you up on that offer.

 

[RM86]

Rankings aside, PC's academic stock continues to rise IMO. Its looked upon very favorably by high school administrators and guidance counselors, and is becoming an increasing popular option for high school students looking at Catholic colleges and who may not have to credentials for BC, GT, Nova and ND.

Agreed. In the East, I'd still choose Holy Cross and then maybe Fordham over Providence, and right now it may be harder to get into Providence than Fordham. Kids who go to Providence (Augustinian) seem to love the school.

Agree on HC. A notch below the others but a notch above PC and Fordham. I would put Fordham and PC neck and neck as far as academic reputation goes, although PC being much smaller I think makes it a tougher admission right now. Also as we know these schools go through popularity phases. Fairfield and Loyola, Md also seem to be moving up in the ranks as a popular destination amongst the Catholic Schools. I would be happy with my daughter, a High School Junior, at any of the schools we've mentioned. Gotta hand it to them, those Jesuits sure do know how to run a good school.

Monte,

I know kids at every one of the schools you mentioned, so if you visit and would like one of those kids to show you around, I can facilitate. Good luck. It's a fun process, but a daunting one also. In my experience, Jesuit schools aren't as warm and fuzzy as say Augustinian or Dominican, but they are the best educators overall.

Thanks Beast, will likely take you up on that offer.

My daughter is at Fairfield and couldn't be happier. She was between PC and Fairfield. Cooley spoke at accepted students day, wow can he speak. He almost had me wanting to go toPC.

 

[monte]

Rankings aside, PC's academic stock continues to rise IMO. Its looked upon very favorably by high school administrators and guidance counselors, and is becoming an increasing popular option for high school students looking at Catholic colleges and who may not have to credentials for BC, GT, Nova and ND.

Agreed. In the East, I'd still choose Holy Cross and then maybe Fordham over Providence, and right now it may be harder to get into Providence than Fordham. Kids who go to Providence (Augustinian) seem to love the school.

Agree on HC. A notch below the others but a notch above PC and Fordham. I would put Fordham and PC neck and neck as far as academic reputation goes, although PC being much smaller I think makes it a tougher admission right now. Also as we know these schools go through popularity phases. Fairfield and Loyola, Md also seem to be moving up in the ranks as a popular destination amongst the Catholic Schools. I would be happy with my daughter, a High School Junior, at any of the schools we've mentioned. Gotta hand it to them, those Jesuits sure do know how to run a good school.

Monte,

I know kids at every one of the schools you mentioned, so if you visit and would like one of those kids to show you around, I can facilitate. Good luck. It's a fun process, but a daunting one also. In my experience, Jesuit schools aren't as warm and fuzzy as say Augustinian or Dominican, but they are the best educators overall.

Thanks Beast, will likely take you up on that offer.

My daughter is at Fairfield and couldn't be happier. She was between PC and Fairfield. Cooley spoke at accepted students day, wow can he speak. He almost had me wanting to go toPC.

A good friend's son is a senior at Fairfield. Attended Archbishop Molloy and has played baseball at Fairfield for 4 years. U ever catch any of the Fairfied basketball games?

 

[TonyinFairfield]

Rankings aside, PC's academic stock continues to rise IMO. Its looked upon very favorably by high school administrators and guidance counselors, and is becoming an increasing popular option for high school students looking at Catholic colleges and who may not have to credentials for BC, GT, Nova and ND.

Agreed. In the East, I'd still choose Holy Cross and then maybe Fordham over Providence, and right now it may be harder to get into Providence than Fordham. Kids who go to Providence (Augustinian) seem to love the school.

Agree on HC. A notch below the others but a notch above PC and Fordham. I would put Fordham and PC neck and neck as far as academic reputation goes, although PC being much smaller I think makes it a tougher admission right now. Also as we know these schools go through popularity phases. Fairfield and Loyola, Md also seem to be moving up in the ranks as a popular destination amongst the Catholic Schools. I would be happy with my daughter, a High School Junior, at any of the schools we've mentioned. Gotta hand it to them, those Jesuits sure do know how to run a good school.

Monte,

I know kids at every one of the schools you mentioned, so if you visit and would like one of those kids to show you around, I can facilitate. Good luck. It's a fun process, but a daunting one also. In my experience, Jesuit schools aren't as warm and fuzzy as say Augustinian or Dominican, but they are the best educators overall.

Thanks Beast, will likely take you up on that offer.

My daughter is at Fairfield and couldn't be happier. She was between PC and Fairfield. Cooley spoke at accepted students day, wow can he speak. He almost had me wanting to go toPC.

A good friend's son is a senior at Fairfield. Attended Archbishop Molloy and has played baseball at Fairfield for 4 years. U ever catch any of the Fairfied basketball games?

Monte, I know this question wasn't directed at me, but I'd like to answer. When the Stags played on campus, I used to go to many games and brought my sons many times. But ever since they moved to the Arena in Bridgeport, I've only gone to one game and that was against St. John's, when Jarvis was coaching. I didn't like the idea, and still don't, of paying for parking and then waiting forever to get out of the parking garage. I always thought it was a huge mistake to move their games off campus. It's also a hassle for students to get there now, as opposed to when they used to just walk to the gym on campus. I never thought they were that big a program where fans would follow them to an off campus arena.

 

[monte]

Rankings aside, PC's academic stock continues to rise IMO. Its looked upon very favorably by high school administrators and guidance counselors, and is becoming an increasing popular option for high school students looking at Catholic colleges and who may not have to credentials for BC, GT, Nova and ND.

Agreed. In the East, I'd still choose Holy Cross and then maybe Fordham over Providence, and right now it may be harder to get into Providence than Fordham. Kids who go to Providence (Augustinian) seem to love the school.

Agree on HC. A notch below the others but a notch above PC and Fordham. I would put Fordham and PC neck and neck as far as academic reputation goes, although PC being much smaller I think makes it a tougher admission right now. Also as we know these schools go through popularity phases. Fairfield and Loyola, Md also seem to be moving up in the ranks as a popular destination amongst the Catholic Schools. I would be happy with my daughter, a High School Junior, at any of the schools we've mentioned. Gotta hand it to them, those Jesuits sure do know how to run a good school.

Monte,

I know kids at every one of the schools you mentioned, so if you visit and would like one of those kids to show you around, I can facilitate. Good luck. It's a fun process, but a daunting one also. In my experience, Jesuit schools aren't as warm and fuzzy as say Augustinian or Dominican, but they are the best educators overall.

Thanks Beast, will likely take you up on that offer.

My daughter is at Fairfield and couldn't be happier. She was between PC and Fairfield. Cooley spoke at accepted students day, wow can he speak. He almost had me wanting to go toPC.

A good friend's son is a senior at Fairfield. Attended Archbishop Molloy and has played baseball at Fairfield for 4 years. U ever catch any of the Fairfied basketball games?

Monte, I know this question wasn't directed at me, but I'd like to answer. When the Stags played on campus, I used to go to many games and brought my sons many times. But ever since they moved to the Arena in Bridgeport, I've only gone to one game and that was against St. John's, when Jarvis was coaching. I didn't like the idea, and still don't, of paying for parking and then waiting forever to get out of the parking garage. I always thought it was a huge mistake to move their games off campus. It's also a hassle for students to get there now, as opposed to when they used to just walk to the gym on campus. I never thought they were that big a program where fans would follow them to an off campus arena.

Thanks for reply Tony. Didn't realize they play off campus. Campus arena seemed fine from outside when I visited school. Didn't go in. They seem to be mentioned with more higher level high school kids then I remember in the past. Maybe looking to elevate their program. All time leading scorer at my daughter's High School is a walk-on on basketball team. One of the most entertaining high school kids I've ever watched play. Unfortunately extremely small(5'5") to play at D1 level. Looked at Fairfield for my son. He wound up at SUNY Albany, but loved the school and have always loved the town. Also my niece is in nursing program at Sacred heart.