SJU's campus and SJU in general

[Class of 72]

bring back the stipend

Mike, not only do athletes get free housing and tuition but they also get Big East conference approved stipends. At many schools car dealers offer very cost auto leases and other costs lowering incentives. Louisville and Kentucky set you up with "girlfriends".
I'm pretty sure some of wimps that think weather is important would never bother to apply to a shitty school in Hanover, New Hampshire.

 

[Class of 72]

The weather issue is so irrelevant that only a retiree could see a benefit in that argument

“Hakeem lands at JFK in New York and St. John’s is supposed to meet him,” Davis recalled. “No one’s there. He has three other tickets. One for Louisville, the University of Houston and Providence. He walks outside at JFK and it’s cold.”

Said Olajuwon: “As soon as I walked through that door, the breeze hit me from outside. I couldn’t even go outside, so I just went straight back in. What am I gonna do?”

Davis: “He sees a baggage handler that happens to be Nigerian and he asks him, ‘Hey, which one of these have weather similar to Lagos, Nigeria?’ The baggage handler looks and he says, ‘Houston.'”

Olajuwon: “So I changed my ticket to Houston."

To think that weather doesn't play a role in choosing a college is just silly

Did it affect your decision?
Very few high school students choose a college because of the weather. Location, on the other hand, may play a role but many students don't even visit the town or city long enough to determine whether they will or can adjust to living in Ithaca, N.Y. or Waco, Texas.
For basketball players, which is our focus, it plays almost no role. I'll leave to my fellow redmen fans like OTIS to describe what has made a place like Syracuse so attractive for half a century. Notre Dame has a beautiful campus but have you been there in winter? Four of the school months the campus is covered by snow.
OTHER THAN ACADEMICS a recent study listed the major factors to consider in selecting a college. Like most, "weather" was not one of them.

You keep comparing our weather to these others places, the one thing you are missing is that these schools like Cuse and ND have won consistently for years. We have not done that yet.[/quote]

Thanks for your insight SJ14, I don't have the same long term perspective you have over the history of our basketball program as you seem to have.
Signed.......Class of 72.

 

[fun]

You keep comparing our weather to these others places, the one thing you are missing is that these schools like Cuse and ND have won consistently for years. We have not done that yet.

You make the salient point. A players might go to Syracuse despite the weather for the chance to play for a hall of fame coach in a program that almost always makes the tournament and where the players get paid and don't have to go to class. Or he might go to ND despite the tundra because of its academic standing and athletic tradition. Or like Sylven Landesberg and Maverick Rowan he might go to Virginia or NC State despite their second sister status in the ACC because of academics and climate and geography and rollicking student life. It's not one thing - the weather or the locale or the perks - but a cumulation of things. If St John's had Stanford's academics or Duke's track record or Louisville's "facilities" or the stink of winning the weather and location and the centipedes wouldn't matter. But St John's doesn't, so they do.

 

[Class of 72]

You keep comparing our weather to these others places, the one thing you are missing is that these schools like Cuse and ND have won consistently for years. We have not done that yet.

You make the salient point. A players might go to Syracuse despite the weather for the chance to play for a hall of fame coach in a program that almost always makes the tournament and where the players get paid and don't have to go to class. Or he might go to ND despite the tundra because of its academic standing and athletic tradition. Or like Sylven Landesberg and Maverick Rowan he might go to Virginia or NC State despite their second sister status in the ACC because of academics and climate and geography and rollicking student life. It's not one thing - the weather or the locale or the perks - but a cumulation of things. If St John's had Stanford's academics or Duke's track record or Louisville's "facilities" or the stink of winning the weather and location and the centipedes wouldn't matter. But St John's doesn't, so they do.

Then the only solution is to recruit African players and to make sure Matt greets them as soon as they get off the plane because they all arrive with tickets to four destinations and we know what happened with Akim Olajuwon.

[/quote]

 

[SJU85]

Well apparently I was wrong about the cost of some of the housing around St. John's.

The point about the commuter school feel is the reason given to me for a few that I know who have left after one or two years That is probably not as big a problem for athletes due to their built in support system (teammates). I know their are at least one or two recent grads who didn't feel that way about the school but everyone is different. I also remember hearing the student retention rate is not good.

We talk about all thes grads and the different industries but our donations don't reflect that. And our academic standing in many area has gone down. While I really like what Beast does, I have heard from others who tell me they use to heavily recruit St. John's students in the past but they don't anymore.

As I basically said previously, the campus looks great, Work still needs to be done elsewhere.

 

[beast of the east]

I split this subject out as a separate topic from recruiting because my intention wasn't to continue the dialogue on the effect of Queens or SJU on recruiting. It was to point out that the school has expended enormous amounts of money on campus beautification, upgraded facilities significantly, and apparently have made to class A hires in administration. Additionally, though 40% of the student population may be Pell eligible, and their ability to stay in school and graduate in 4 years compromised by a number of factors, on the other end of the spectrum are some really bright kids who certainly could have gone elsewhere.

In terms of the narrative of Queens not being a wonderful location, note that UPenn borders a much worse neighborhood, as does Fordham. I will take Queens over Worcester (Holy Cross) any days of the week. Many college towns that I have had business in - State College, Iowa City, Columbia MO has zero culturally redeeming aspects and some have brutal winters. For people that grew up on Long Island in cushy places on the North Shore, the area around SJU is not great, but actually the three sides of campus bordering north of the GCP are actually quite safe and quite nice.

To some extent, Asian families will find a way to pay for Ivy League schools but short of that will also choose schools that are an excellent value in terms of lower tuition either by scholarship or State schools. To that extent, many of the top students now at SJU are Asian and receiving significant discounts on scholarship and reside in the upper portions of the student population academically.

Many successful SJU alums have sent their kids elsewhere to schools with higher academic profiles, and given that SJU had long offered fairly low cost private educations to first or second generation American Catholics, this is appropriate. An SJU education jump started many of our careers, and for children of SJU alums some top flight schools were now financially within reach. Perhaps the same will be said for some of our better students today, many 1st and 2nd generation Americans but typically not European in background.

The point is, from my vantage, SJU IS improving academically and the campus is much nicer than it's ever been. I think they are carefully moving away from a mom and pop shop with lower salaried and less qualified workers are enticed by free tuition, and looking to hire talented administrators.

 

[Class of 72]

In general, Queens is a lot more desirable than 80% of the college towns I've visited over the years.
For parents, St. John's is a small campus and not as intimidating as Ohio State and Columbus or Texas A&M and College Station. The free student bus takes them from the campus to the Long Island R.R. for a quick safe ride into the Big Apple. Academics aside, it has everything most college campuses have in addition to being able to explore the greatest cultural metropolis in the world.
If being in a small college town in Palookaville and dining at Denny's is your speed then by all means, go and be happy.

Meanwhile, in Fun's neck of the woods they had some excitement at Denny's that made the national media.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/violent-brawl-erupts-diners-denny-article-1.3147652

 

[beast of the east]

In general, Queens is a lot more desirable than 80% of the college towns I've visited over the years.
For parents, St. John's is a small campus and not as intimidating as Ohio State and Columbus or Texas A&M and College Station. The free student bus takes them from the campus to the Long Island R.R. for a quick safe ride into the Big Apple. Academics aside, it has everything most college campuses have in addition to being able to explore the greatest cultural metropolis in the world.
If being in a small college town in Palookaville and dining at Denny's is your speed then by all means, go and be happy.

Meanwhile, in Fun's neck of the woods they had some excitement at Denny's that made the national media.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/violent-brawl-erupts-diners-denny-article-1.3147652

Here's an anecdotal example:

A few years ago I was in the Keys, and we took this dolphin tour in the offseason. The boat had only one other couple on the tour, and they happened to be on their honeymoon. We got to talking after a while, and they were a Floridian couple on a honeymoon paid by their wedding guests in lieu of gifts. They were from the east coast of Florida. Turns out the husband just graduated SJU law and they were living in Queens. He went to U of Fla, and he said, "You know what I really liked about SJU? The other students were so kind. It was very much unlike going to college in Fla as an undergrad, and it really struck me how nice everyone was to me."

Score one for New Yorkers as good and kind people, and just one more reason SJU is still a nice place for students to choose, as it was for most of us in any era.

 

[bamafan]

In general, Queens is a lot more desirable than 80% of the college towns I've visited over the years.
For parents, St. John's is a small campus and not as intimidating as Ohio State and Columbus or Texas A&M and College Station. The free student bus takes them from the campus to the Long Island R.R. for a quick safe ride into the Big Apple. Academics aside, it has everything most college campuses have in addition to being able to explore the greatest cultural metropolis in the world.
If being in a small college town in Palookaville and dining at Denny's is your speed then by all means, go and be happy.

Meanwhile, in Fun's neck of the woods they had some excitement at Denny's that made the national media.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/violent-brawl-erupts-diners-denny-article-1.3147652

Here's an anecdotal example:

A few years ago I was in the Keys, and we took this dolphin tour in the offseason. The boat had only one other couple on the tour, and they happened to be on their honeymoon. We got to talking after a while, and they were a Floridian couple on a honeymoon paid by their wedding guests in lieu of gifts. They were from the east coast of Florida. Turns out the husband just graduated SJU law and they were living in Queens. He went to U of Fla, and he said, "You know what I really liked about SJU? The other students were so kind. It was very much unlike going to college in Fla as an undergrad, and it really struck me how nice everyone was to me."

Score one for New Yorkers as good and kind people, and just one more reason SJU is still a nice place for students to choose, as it was for most of us in any era.

Are you sure you are not confusing this story with a dream you had? Law school as I remember it was pretty cut throat and competitive at least back in the day. Maybe things have changed?

 

[fun]

Are you sure you are not confusing this story with a dream you had? Law school as I remember it was pretty cut throat and competitive at least back in the day. Maybe things have changed?

Have to disagree, I had a similar experience. About seven and a half years ago I was in the Congo on a Heart-of-Darkness ® safari hunting hippopotomouses and I got to talking to one of the other adventurers and it turned out that he was a native Congolese who it just so happened had graduated from St John's and we got to talking about his experience there and he said that although he thought the weather was a bit chilly he found New Yorkers to be warm and cordial and that the centipedes to be abundant and delicious. We didn't bag any game but I did get a great recipe for Congolese arthropod roll. DM if you want it I'd be happy to share.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Are you sure you are not confusing this story with a dream you had? Law school as I remember it was pretty cut throat and competitive at least back in the day. Maybe things have changed?

Have to disagree, I had a similar experience. About seven and a half years ago I was in the Congo on a Heart-of-Darkness ® safari hunting hippopotomouses and I got to talking to one of the other adventurers and it turned out that he was a native Congolese who it just so happened had graduated from St John's and we got to talking about his experience there and he said that although he thought the weather was a bit chilly he found New Yorkers to be warm and cordial and that the centipedes to be abundant and delicious. We didn't bag any game but I did get a great recipe for Congolese arthropod roll. DM if you want it I'd be happy to share.

Abe Keita ?

 

[Sjugrad13]

In general, Queens is a lot more desirable than 80% of the college towns I've visited over the years.
For parents, St. John's is a small campus and not as intimidating as Ohio State and Columbus or Texas A&M and College Station. The free student bus takes them from the campus to the Long Island R.R. for a quick safe ride into the Big Apple. Academics aside, it has everything most college campuses have in addition to being able to explore the greatest cultural metropolis in the world.
If being in a small college town in Palookaville and dining at Denny's is your speed then by all means, go and be happy.

Meanwhile, in Fun's neck of the woods they had some excitement at Denny's that made the national media.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/violent-brawl-erupts-diners-denny-article-1.3147652

Here's an anecdotal example:

A few years ago I was in the Keys, and we took this dolphin tour in the offseason. The boat had only one other couple on the tour, and they happened to be on their honeymoon. We got to talking after a while, and they were a Floridian couple on a honeymoon paid by their wedding guests in lieu of gifts. They were from the east coast of Florida. Turns out the husband just graduated SJU law and they were living in Queens. He went to U of Fla, and he said, "You know what I really liked about SJU? The other students were so kind. It was very much unlike going to college in Fla as an undergrad, and it really struck me how nice everyone was to me."

Score one for New Yorkers as good and kind people, and just one more reason SJU is still a nice place for students to choose, as it was for most of us in any era.

Are you sure you are not confusing this story with a dream you had? Law school as I remember it was pretty cut throat and competitive at least back in the day. Maybe things have changed?

It still is.

Here's two law school averages and notes.

Entry GPA
3.54/3.53

Bar passage rate
82.2/84.2

Acceptance rate
42.5/37.4

Percentage of full-time, long-term bar passage required or JD advantage jobs.
81/74

Both universities are in the top 40 for big law outcomes.

 

[beast of the east]

nvm

 

[Class of 72]

In general, Queens is a lot more desirable than 80% of the college towns I've visited over the years.
For parents, St. John's is a small campus and not as intimidating as Ohio State and Columbus or Texas A&M and College Station. The free student bus takes them from the campus to the Long Island R.R. for a quick safe ride into the Big Apple. Academics aside, it has everything most college campuses have in addition to being able to explore the greatest cultural metropolis in the world.
If being in a small college town in Palookaville and dining at Denny's is your speed then by all means, go and be happy.

Meanwhile, in Fun's neck of the woods they had some excitement at Denny's that made the national media.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/violent-brawl-erupts-diners-denny-article-1.3147652

Here's an anecdotal example:

A few years ago I was in the Keys, and we took this dolphin tour in the offseason. The boat had only one other couple on the tour, and they happened to be on their honeymoon. We got to talking after a while, and they were a Floridian couple on a honeymoon paid by their wedding guests in lieu of gifts. They were from the east coast of Florida. Turns out the husband just graduated SJU law and they were living in Queens. He went to U of Fla, and he said, "You know what I really liked about SJU? The other students were so kind. It was very much unlike going to college in Fla as an undergrad, and it really struck me how nice everyone was to me."

Score one for New Yorkers as good and kind people, and just one more reason SJU is still a nice place for students to choose, as it was for most of us in any era.

Are you sure you are not confusing this story with a dream you had? Law school as I remember it was pretty cut throat and competitive at least back in the day. Maybe things have changed?

It still is.

Here's two law school averages and notes.

Entry GPA
3.54/3.53

Bar passage rate
82.2/84.2

Acceptance rate
42.5/37.4

Percentage of full-time, long-term bar passage required or JD advantage jobs.
81/74

Both universities are in the top 40 for big law outcomes.[/quote]

Let us guess who the law schools are why don't you.

 

[BrookJersey Redmen]

My experience at St. John's undergrad on SI was exactly what this young U of Fla grad had to say. BUT, my experience in Queens at the Law School was exactly the opposite, extremely competitive. Once the Prof told us all to read some new case, and, before the internet you had to climb ladders and pull books off shelves, well, someone had taken a razor and pirated the case so no one else could read it. Anyway, the atmosphere for the most part, with some exceptions, was not very collegial. Looking back, great education; not too many fond memories. Left with only a couple of close friends. Candidly, I've heard that from others about other law schools, so maybe it is just the nature of the beast.

In general, Queens is a lot more desirable than 80% of the college towns I've visited over the years.
For parents, St. John's is a small campus and not as intimidating as Ohio State and Columbus or Texas A&M and College Station. The free student bus takes them from the campus to the Long Island R.R. for a quick safe ride into the Big Apple. Academics aside, it has everything most college campuses have in addition to being able to explore the greatest cultural metropolis in the world.
If being in a small college town in Palookaville and dining at Denny's is your speed then by all means, go and be happy.

Meanwhile, in Fun's neck of the woods they had some excitement at Denny's that made the national media.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/violent-brawl-erupts-diners-denny-article-1.3147652

Here's an anecdotal example:

A few years ago I was in the Keys, and we took this dolphin tour in the offseason. The boat had only one other couple on the tour, and they happened to be on their honeymoon. We got to talking after a while, and they were a Floridian couple on a honeymoon paid by their wedding guests in lieu of gifts. They were from the east coast of Florida. Turns out the husband just graduated SJU law and they were living in Queens. He went to U of Fla, and he said, "You know what I really liked about SJU? The other students were so kind. It was very much unlike going to college in Fla as an undergrad, and it really struck me how nice everyone was to me."

Score one for New Yorkers as good and kind people, and just one more reason SJU is still a nice place for students to choose, as it was for most of us in any era.

 

[beast of the east]

My experience at St. John's undergrad on SI was exactly what this young U of Fla grad had to say. BUT, my experience in Queens at the Law School was exactly the opposite, extremely competitive. Once the Prof told us all to read some new case, and, before the internet you had to climb ladders and pull books off shelves, well, someone had taken a razor and pirated the case so no one else could read it. Anyway, the atmosphere for the most part, with some exceptions, was not very collegial. Looking back, great education; not too many fond memories. Left with only a couple of close friends. Candidly, I've heard that from others about other law schools, so maybe it is just the nature of the beast.

In general, Queens is a lot more desirable than 80% of the college towns I've visited over the years.
For parents, St. John's is a small campus and not as intimidating as Ohio State and Columbus or Texas A&M and College Station. The free student bus takes them from the campus to the Long Island R.R. for a quick safe ride into the Big Apple. Academics aside, it has everything most college campuses have in addition to being able to explore the greatest cultural metropolis in the world.
If being in a small college town in Palookaville and dining at Denny's is your speed then by all means, go and be happy.

Meanwhile, in Fun's neck of the woods they had some excitement at Denny's that made the national media.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/violent-brawl-erupts-diners-denny-article-1.3147652

Here's an anecdotal example:

A few years ago I was in the Keys, and we took this dolphin tour in the offseason. The boat had only one other couple on the tour, and they happened to be on their honeymoon. We got to talking after a while, and they were a Floridian couple on a honeymoon paid by their wedding guests in lieu of gifts. They were from the east coast of Florida. Turns out the husband just graduated SJU law and they were living in Queens. He went to U of Fla, and he said, "You know what I really liked about SJU? The other students were so kind. It was very much unlike going to college in Fla as an undergrad, and it really struck me how nice everyone was to me."

Score one for New Yorkers as good and kind people, and just one more reason SJU is still a nice place for students to choose, as it was for most of us in any era.

I wasn't in law school, but I do know they've offered a lot of scholarships to kids who had gotten accepted to much higher profile schools, so maybe the culture has changed. It's also possible that this guy's experience was relative to his experience as an undergrad in Florida. Either way, it's nice to hear that kind of stuff, even if anecdotal. While we may not be located in beautiful and prestigious places like Albany, it's nice enough on campus and in Queens.

 

[BrookJersey Redmen]

Believe me graduating the Law School in the 70's was fine, a very rigorous education; superb placement after graduation; a "name" School in NYC, then only trailing Columbia, NYU, and Fordham, and Fordham not by that much, back then, at least.

The Queens campus was fine, more of a campus than NYU or Fordham Lincoln Center, meh.

Maybe the school should put all the athletes on Staten Island's bucolic campus, trees, very upscale Grymes Hill, surrounding neighborhood is very upscale, view of New York harbor, quaint buildings, and fresh air. Just a thought.

 

[paultzman]

Marcus Hatten
Tomorrow I'm going to visit #SJU

D'Lo
Looking forward to my return to @StJohnsBBall getting anxious honestly! #SJUBB

Just stuck these here,2 warriors!

 

[beast of the east]

Marcus Hatten
Tomorrow I'm going to visit #SJU

D'Lo
Looking forward to my return to @StJohnsBBall getting anxious honestly! #SJUBB

Just stuck these here,2 warriors!

If you follow any of our recent grads, they are 100% dyed in the wool fans of our program, and follow them day by day and game by game. I know Hatten dates back to Jarvis, but I think we'd all admit that SL, no matter what you think of him, brought in some very special kids, as did Mullin with guys like Ron M. In the context of building a program, having a community of guys like that is important for anyone contemplating coming here. Would be very surprised if guys like Dlo aren't working the back channels encouraging guys to commit here.

 

[jerseyshorejohnny]

In the event you haven’t had the opportunity to read the SJU President’s Newsletter (May 2017) I thought you would you like to be aware of the following article:



Major Gifts Provide Funds to Ensure Student Success




St. John’s University has received more than $5.5 million in gifts and commitments to date as a part of three major initiatives established to strengthen the learning environment on campus and fund new endowed student scholarships.




The Paul and Carol Evanston Career Services Center

Helping to strengthen the quality of the teaching and learning environment at St. John’s, Carol and Paul Evanson ‘63CBA made a substantial gift to establish the Paul and Carol Evanson Career Services Center at the Tobin College of Business.

The suite, comprising roughly 1,000 square feet, features offices, interview rooms, and other resources designed to prepare students with the skills necessary needed in an ever-changing employment market. It is located on the first floor of the new home of The Peter J. Tobin College of Business.

Mr. Evanson, Retired Chairman and CEO of Allegheny Energy, is a member of St. John’s Board of Trustees.





The Lesley and William Collins Business Analytics Lab


The Lesley and William Collins Business Analytics Lab, a 1,300-square-foot facility at the Tobin College of Business, was supported by a leadership level gift from Lesley H. ‘83SVC and William L. Collins ‘76C, ‘12HON.

Mr. Collins is Chairman, CEO and CIO of Brencourt Capital Management, LLC.He also is Chairman of the University’s Board of Trustees.

The Business Analytics Lab is a teaching center that connects theory with modern market and business practices. The state-of-the-art lab has 40 desktops with multiple Bloomberg terminal licenses. The lab also includes a video wall and a color LED stock ticker




According to Norean R. Sharpe, Ph.D., Dean of The Peter J. Tobin College of Business, the new and enhanced facilities “will dramatically improve the academic preparation of our students and their ability to compete for full-time positions at top firms. These gifts demonstrate the dedication and devotion of our alumni to student success and strategic growth at the Tobin College of Business."