SJU's campus and SJU in general

beast of the east

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There's been a lot of talk about the SJU campus, and as one of you commented, maybe you haven't been on campus in a long while.

I've been as critical as anyone on redmen.com concerning the quality of student SJU is attracting and about the school in general. I'm still critical, but recently my outlook has been raised considerably.

As I typically try to do, when we have a position open we post at SJU in their career development office. When we did, we were told there was a jobs fair the following week and would we be interested in exhibiting. The jobs fair was the day after I would arrive home very late at night from a 4 day west coast trip, so I declined. There was a $200 fee per company, which I thought was foolish considering the benefit to the university of hiring their students.

When we declined, we received another offer inviting us to exhibit for free. I was still inclined to decline, but they were so gracious about the offer, decided to accept. They also offered that one of the Deans would like to meet with me if I had time, so we worked that in also.

The jobs fair was in Taffner Field house, which is a really nice building. As with the better conferences we attend, SJu staff was very gracious in helping us get set up, and also came by to thank us for participating. We met some really terrific kids, and offered two of them internships, one that has the potential of FT employment after. These were really bright, personable kids, and would represent SJU well in any era of the school. One was very near the top of his class in pharmacy school, 3.92 GPA in pharmacy, and also is in the President's society, students government, and drama club. The other had a full schoalrship to SJU and was an honors student and Stuyvesant HS grad.

At the conclusion of the jobs fair, someone from career development office personally escorted us to the library, whose exterior is familiar, but on the interior bears no comparison to the library we knew. There is a coffee shop on the first floor which is first class, and the upper floors are now offices which are also first rate. If memory serves me, they used to be classrooms. The Dean was impressive and gracious, and new to SJU. Unlike many academicians, she had solid industry experience and success, had fantastic academic achievements of her own, and was as warm and gracious as could be. Rather than lecture me about the school, she conversed easily and asked my opinions on some of their programs and offerings. She is seriously interested in forging relationships with the local business community to strengthen SJU in all ways.

I am still kind of dumbfounded at the transformation underway, and sheepishly embarrassed that as I have taken shots at the school some very good stuff is happening on campus that will make all alumni very proud of SJU.

I recently hired an older SJU alumnus that was caught in the downsizing of her long term position with an industry struggling to convert to the digital age. I am thrilled to have gotten such a high caliber resource and person. The kids I interviewed at the jobs fair were all terrific students.

If you haven't considered hiring an SJU kid for an internship or FT position, I'd strongly advocate you do both if you are in a position to influence such hirings. I'd also encourage any of you to visit the campus, which is dramatically improved over the campus we attended.
 
Was in grad school in 2008 and 09, when D'Angelo Center was being completed. I recall that it was a fairly nice campus with lots of new architecture. It was more compact and less sprawling than some of the smaller town big football campuses I've been on. Havent been on campus in a few years however.






 
And for those knocking Queens let's focus on the area around SJU.

Jamaica Estates - Houses go for $2.5 Million
Fresh Meadows - Houses go for $1.25 Million

On the other hand it's hard to find a house for more than 300K in Athens Georgia, as almost all are cheaper. Simple economics tell you which is a preferable location. Whatever issues the SJU basketball team has, it is not the location of the school. If the basketball team had kept up with the neighborhood SJU would be in the final four year after year.
 
What I think many people are missing is that every kid is different. Some kids want a nice campus to live on, some want a big city to live in. Some kids want to go away, some want to stay home. Some want good academics, some want good athletics. Some want a winning program, some want the most playing time possible. Every kid is different and it's the staffs job to find out what each kid wants.

As for the campus itself, I graduated in 2014 and it was pretty nice. Nowhere near as nice as some of the other schools I've seen in the area and down south, but nothing to be embarrassed about in a big city.

Some of these kids want a great nightlife with the great weather in Arizona or Florida. That's something that we will never be able to offer. I see Rawle Alkins posting videos and pictures of what goes on at Arizona and there's no comparison. The point is that every kid is different and every school has its advantages and disadvantages. You win some and you lose many with regards to recruiting. Every school goes through the same thing, even some of the blue bloods.
 
To be honest while we may not have the "most Beautiful" campus it is Nice and pleasant to walk around. The recently added architecture is quite nice. To me the big "No sell" to students is the declining academic rankings and the fact that it is still primarily a commuter school The dorms built in the 90's? we a tremendous help but not enough (IMHO) ...I always thought the ROTC should be moved and the space better utilized for additional dorms. Recruits realize this and simply aren't interested. As far a academics is concerned....it matters! Why would a C student want to go to a C school when their basketball ability can get them into a B+ school and STILL be in a competitive conference and be on TV every game. (Being ranked by US News at 160 or so is a "C" school to the eyes of parents...whether it is or isn't). Those are the facts.
 
To be honest while we may not have the "most Beautiful" campus it is Nice and pleasant to walk around. The recently added architecture is quite nice. To me the big "No sell" to students is the declining academic rankings and the fact that it is still primarily a commuter school The dorms built in the 90's? we a tremendous help but not enough (IMHO) ...I always thought the ROTC should be moved and the space better utilized for additional dorms. Recruits realize this and simply aren't interested. As far a academics is concerned....it matters! Why would a C student want to go to a C school when their basketball ability can get them into a B+ school and STILL be in a competitive conference and be on TV every game. (Being ranked by US News at 160 or so is a "C" school to the eyes of parents...whether it is or isn't). Those are the facts.

I think they also lose a chance with many good students who are also good players.
 
And for those knocking Queens let's focus on the area around SJU.

Jamaica Estates - Houses go for $2.5 Million
Fresh Meadows - Houses go for $1.25 Million

On the other hand it's hard to find a house for more than 300K in Athens Georgia, as almost all are cheaper. Simple economics tell you which is a preferable location. Whatever issues the SJU basketball team has, it is not the location of the school. If the basketball team had kept up with the neighborhood SJU would be in the final four year after year.

I recall parking my crappy car in front of those homes and hoping the locals did not break my motorcycle chain to rip off my battery.

The couple of times it happened the police told me where I could buy it back with free tax advice as well.

I agree that the campus and area is much improved.

I don't agree it's much of a factor in recruiting the top basketball talent in America. It definitely does not go against us.

It seems like we pulled in some good baseball players. And the weather in the northeast sucks.
 
Thanks Beast, this is one of the reasons I posted the info about the Grand Alumni Weekend. I just convinced my office to bring on 2 SJU students for summer internships (they have never had college interns) and hopefully it will lead to a job in the future.
 
And for those knocking Queens let's focus on the area around SJU.

Jamaica Estates - Houses go for $2.5 Million
Fresh Meadows - Houses go for $1.25 Million

On the other hand it's hard to find a house for more than 300K in Athens Georgia, as almost all are cheaper. Simple economics tell you which is a preferable location.

The median home price in Paris is $ 120K. The median home price in Commack is 400K. Therefore Commack > Paris.

The median home price in Wyandanch is 200K. The median home price in Chicago is $189K, The median home price in Cairo is $125K. The median house price in Rome is 120K. Therefore Cairo Rome and Chicago < Wyandanch.

Come on.
 
And for those knocking Queens let's focus on the area around SJU.

Jamaica Estates - Houses go for $2.5 Million
Fresh Meadows - Houses go for $1.25 Million

On the other hand it's hard to find a house for more than 300K in Athens Georgia, as almost all are cheaper. Simple economics tell you which is a preferable location.

The median home price in Paris is $ 120K. The median home price in Commack is 400K. Therefore Commack > Paris.

The median home price in Wyandanch is 200K. The median home price in Chicago is $189K, The median home price in Cairo is $125K. The median house price in Rome is 120K. Therefore Cairo Rome and Chicago < Wyandanch.

Come on.

Jamaica Estates and Fresh Meadows are "neighborhoods" bordering the St. John's campus. They are not cities, stupid!
;) :whistle:
 
And for those knocking Queens let's focus on the area around SJU.

Jamaica Estates - Houses go for $2.5 Million
Fresh Meadows - Houses go for $1.25 Million

On the other hand it's hard to find a house for more than 300K in Athens Georgia, as almost all are cheaper. Simple economics tell you which is a preferable location.

The median home price in Paris is $ 120K. The median home price in Commack is 400K. Therefore Commack > Paris.

The median home price in Wyandanch is 200K. The median home price in Chicago is $189K, The median home price in Cairo is $125K. The median house price in Rome is 120K. Therefore Cairo Rome and Chicago < Wyandanch.

Come on.

Jamaica Estates and Fresh Meadows are "neighborhoods" bordering the St. John's campus. They are not cities, stupid!
;) :whistle:

I doubt the houses immediately north of Union Turnpike, or south of the Campus just north or south of the GCP are going for $1.25M let alone $2.5 M. And you can go to other parts of the country and that $1.25M and $2.5M house would cost you a hell of a lot less than what it cost you here.

That being said, the campus has improved tremendously in looks inside and out, no doubt. How high that is on a potential recruits lairs depends on the individual recruit and how mush he might or might not value it. The campus atmosphere not just aesthics can also play a part.

A campus with a lot of activities going on and life to it definitely helps no matter how the campus looks. It is why teams with decent football programs try to get recruits to come and visit during the fall during a home game if they can't get them for midnight madness due to the excitement around campus and the many different activities going on.

I was on ca,mouse this fall during an open house this fall and their was a lot going on and the campus was buzzing. There was at least one recruit visiting that day IIRC.
 
Last year's midnight madness was packed for the Panda guy. I only wish half those kids would show up to basketball games.
 
And for those knocking Queens let's focus on the area around SJU.

Jamaica Estates - Houses go for $2.5 Million
Fresh Meadows - Houses go for $1.25 Million

On the other hand it's hard to find a house for more than 300K in Athens Georgia, as almost all are cheaper. Simple economics tell you which is a preferable location.

The median home price in Paris is $ 120K. The median home price in Commack is 400K. Therefore Commack > Paris.

The median home price in Wyandanch is 200K. The median home price in Chicago is $189K, The median home price in Cairo is $125K. The median house price in Rome is 120K. Therefore Cairo Rome and Chicago < Wyandanch.

Come on.

Jamaica Estates and Fresh Meadows are "neighborhoods" bordering the St. John's campus. They are not cities, stupid!
;) :whistle:

I doubt the houses immediately north of Union Turnpike, or south of the Campus just north or south of the GCP are going for $1.25M let alone $2.5 M. And you can go to other parts of the country and that $1.25M and $2.5M house would cost you a hell of a lot less than what it cost you here.

That being said, the campus has improved tremendously in looks inside and out, no doubt. How high that is on a potential recruits lairs depends on the individual recruit and how mush he might or might not value it. The campus atmosphere not just aesthics can also play a part.

A campus with a lot of activities going on and life to it definitely helps no matter how the campus looks. It is why teams with decent football programs try to get recruits to come and visit during the fall during a home game if they can't get them for midnight madness due to the excitement around campus and the many different activities going on.

I was on ca,mouse this fall during an open house this fall and their was a lot going on and the campus was buzzing. There was at least one recruit visiting that day IIRC.

The campus is small, quaint and on the quiet side. It is the perfect place to concentrate on your basketball skills without many distractions. ;)
I agree with the housing prices south of GCP but the houses directly across the street from Utopia eastward start at $1 million and go to $3 million. I have a friend who sold his $1 million home on Long Island and built a bigger and better home in Hardeeville South Carolina for $350,000. To each his own. Personally, I would pay $1 million to avoid living in the Carolina Low Country. ;)
 
I find it weird that a school that has multiple top 100 programs ( Law, pharmacy, education, *biotechnology, risk management, accounting, audiology, biology, and library information systems) can"t market that. I understand 6 out of those 9 require graduate school or heavy math courses, but still, they're high paying careers.

This doesn't even count that we are in the top 10 percent of universities ( fortune, Princeton review, and Forbes).Heck, UNLV just got two elite star recruits ( Brandon McCoy, and Amuri Hardy) and they don't even care about academics. Hell, as much as we joke about our current students, SJU acceptance rate was 49 percent this year vs 93 vs Kentucky ( source unigo, and college resource 2016), but Kentucky is about to get the best center in NYC ( Bamba) . Again for emphasis, this university is listed on Forbes for colleges that make you rich, listed by business insider as one of the most underrated universities in the country , produce 32 fullbrights in the last 4 years, has three international campuses, ranks third in Diversity ( rutgers, and Stanford are ahead), plus We are the ONLY high major university in NYC.

^^^ This is just the academic part.

2)Now the alumni part, our alumni are everywhere. Think about this, we have the CFO's of Pfizer, Turner, KKR, and Roc Nation as alumni

-CEO's of Synchrony Financial, **A&E networks, protiviti, united healthcare insurance, Apollo theater, Cantor Fitzgerald real estate, president of the red sox as alumni.

-lead managing directors at ( AIG, Blackrock, Grant Thornton, BDO, BNY Mellon, guggenheim partners, Paulson & CO, and Legg mason).

Celebrity alumni like, J. Cole, Vanessa Simmons, Run (from run-DMC) , Terrance Winter, etc.

You trying to tell me if you had to network and grow favoritism with some school alumni, ours wouldn't be good enough? I'm not even bringing up the fact we have c- level executives at (ESPN, Interpublic group, UPS, Disney, Shake shack, Macy's, and MSG) and other Elite corporations.

^^^ this is just some alumni I was able to research.

3) Basketball facilities

-Two hall of fame coaches
-MSG for homecourt
- New weight facilities
- and a president who seems willing to invest in basketball


* Yes, SJU campus is not Pepperdine university visually, but would an perspective recruit really pass on the following three?


Sidenote:
1) * is for graduate ranking not undergraduate.

2) **CEO emeritus.


Maybe the alcohol is hitting me, but SJU still has alot to offer.
 
I find it weird that a school that has multiple top 100 programs ( Law, pharmacy, education, *biotechnology, risk management, accounting, audiology, biology, and library information systems) can"t market that. I understand 6 out of those 9 require graduate school or heavy math courses, but still, they're high paying careers.

This doesn't even count that we are in the top 10 percent of universities ( fortune, Princeton review, and Forbes).Heck, UNLV just got two elite star recruits ( Brandon McCoy, and Amuri Hardy) and they don't even care about academics. Hell, as much as we joke about our current students, SJU acceptance rate was 49 percent this year vs 93 vs Kentucky ( source unigo, and college resource 2016), but Kentucky is about to get the best center in NYC ( Bamba) . Again for emphasis, this university is listed on Forbes for colleges that make you rich, listed by business insider as one of the most underrated universities in the country , produce 32 fullbrights in the last 4 years, has three international campuses, ranks third in Diversity ( rutgers, and Stanford are ahead), plus We are the ONLY high major university in NYC.

^^^ This is just the academic part.

2)Now the alumni part, our alumni are everywhere. Think about this, we have the CFO's of Pfizer, Turner, KKR, and Roc Nation as alumni

-CEO's of Synchrony Financial, **A&E networks, protiviti, united healthcare insurance, Apollo theater, Cantor Fitzgerald real estate, president of the red sox as alumni.

-lead managing directors at ( AIG, Blackrock, Grant Thornton, BDO, BNY Mellon, guggenheim partners, Paulson & CO, and Legg mason).

Celebrity alumni like, J. Cole, Vanessa Simmons, Run (from run-DMC) , Terrance Winter, etc.

You trying to tell me if you had to network and grow favoritism with some school alumni, ours wouldn't be good enough? I'm not even bringing up the fact we have c- level executives at (ESPN, Interpublic group, UPS, Disney, Shake shack, Macy's, and MSG) and other Elite corporations.

^^^ this is just some alumni I was able to research.

3) Basketball facilities

-Two hall of fame coaches
-MSG for homecourt
- New weight facilities
- and a president who seems willing to invest in basketball


* Yes, SJU campus is not Pepperdine university visually, but would an perspective recruit really pass on the following three?


Sidenote:
1) * is for graduate ranking not undergraduate.

2) **CEO emeritus.


Maybe the alcohol is hitting me, but SJU still has alot to offer.
you put a lot of alcohol induced work into that post and still managed to put some things I didnt know. That gets you a +1 :)
 
I find it weird that a school that has multiple top 100 programs ( Law, pharmacy, education, *biotechnology, risk management, accounting, audiology, biology, and library information systems) can"t market that. I understand 6 out of those 9 require graduate school or heavy math courses, but still, they're high paying careers.

This doesn't even count that we are in the top 10 percent of universities ( fortune, Princeton review, and Forbes).Heck, UNLV just got two elite star recruits ( Brandon McCoy, and Amuri Hardy) and they don't even care about academics. Hell, as much as we joke about our current students, SJU acceptance rate was 49 percent this year vs 93 vs Kentucky ( source unigo, and college resource 2016), but Kentucky is about to get the best center in NYC ( Bamba) . Again for emphasis, this university is listed on Forbes for colleges that make you rich, listed by business insider as one of the most underrated universities in the country , produce 32 fullbrights in the last 4 years, has three international campuses, ranks third in Diversity ( rutgers, and Stanford are ahead), plus We are the ONLY high major university in NYC.

^^^ This is just the academic part.

2)Now the alumni part, our alumni are everywhere. Think about this, we have the CFO's of Pfizer, Turner, KKR, and Roc Nation as alumni

-CEO's of Synchrony Financial, **A&E networks, protiviti, united healthcare insurance, Apollo theater, Cantor Fitzgerald real estate, president of the red sox as alumni.

-lead managing directors at ( AIG, Blackrock, Grant Thornton, BDO, BNY Mellon, guggenheim partners, Paulson & CO, and Legg mason).

Celebrity alumni like, J. Cole, Vanessa Simmons, Run (from run-DMC) , Terrance Winter, etc.

You trying to tell me if you had to network and grow favoritism with some school alumni, ours wouldn't be good enough? I'm not even bringing up the fact we have c- level executives at (ESPN, Interpublic group, UPS, Disney, Shake shack, Macy's, and MSG) and other Elite corporations.

^^^ this is just some alumni I was able to research.

3) Basketball facilities

-Two hall of fame coaches
-MSG for homecourt
- New weight facilities
- and a president who seems willing to invest in basketball


* Yes, SJU campus is not Pepperdine university visually, but would an perspective recruit really pass on the following three?


Sidenote:
1) * is for graduate ranking not undergraduate.

2) **CEO emeritus.


Maybe the alcohol is hitting me, but SJU still has alot to offer.

All excellent points.

Without long term relationships with recruits it is hard to find out what their needs and expectations are but players who are pro bound like Mo Bamba and are still available this late date are not interested in the atmosphere of the university or how many graduates work in Fortune 500 companies. They are negotiating "deals" and it's all about the amount of exposure at an NCAA tournament team. Not making the tournament two years in a row, even with Hall of Fame coaches, is not going to bring hustlers like Bamba and his handlers to Union and Utopia.
 
All this information is well and good but the fact remain:
-We are ranked 160th in the nation as per US News and FALLING......people make push this aside as not accurate info.blah blah blah but US News is a BIG measuring stick families go by. ....and this school has shown no plan to right this ship.

It's still thought of as a commuter school......just read some reviews on college confidential and it will just make you think twice about going there.

It's not the campus...its the perception of the school and until the brain trust wakes up nothing is going to change.

I find it weird that a school that has multiple top 100 programs ( Law, pharmacy, education, *biotechnology, risk management, accounting, audiology, biology, and library information systems) can"t market that. I understand 6 out of those 9 require graduate school or heavy math courses, but still, they're high paying careers.

This doesn't even count that we are in the top 10 percent of universities ( fortune, Princeton review, and Forbes).Heck, UNLV just got two elite star recruits ( Brandon McCoy, and Amuri Hardy) and they don't even care about academics. Hell, as much as we joke about our current students, SJU acceptance rate was 49 percent this year vs 93 vs Kentucky ( source unigo, and college resource 2016), but Kentucky is about to get the best center in NYC ( Bamba) . Again for emphasis, this university is listed on Forbes for colleges that make you rich, listed by business insider as one of the most underrated universities in the country , produce 32 fullbrights in the last 4 years, has three international campuses, ranks third in Diversity ( rutgers, and Stanford are ahead), plus We are the ONLY high major university in NYC.

^^^ This is just the academic part.

2)Now the alumni part, our alumni are everywhere. Think about this, we have the CFO's of Pfizer, Turner, KKR, and Roc Nation as alumni

-CEO's of Synchrony Financial, **A&E networks, protiviti, united healthcare insurance, Apollo theater, Cantor Fitzgerald real estate, president of the red sox as alumni.

-lead managing directors at ( AIG, Blackrock, Grant Thornton, BDO, BNY Mellon, guggenheim partners, Paulson & CO, and Legg mason).

Celebrity alumni like, J. Cole, Vanessa Simmons, Run (from run-DMC) , Terrance Winter, etc.

You trying to tell me if you had to network and grow favoritism with some school alumni, ours wouldn't be good enough? I'm not even bringing up the fact we have c- level executives at (ESPN, Interpublic group, UPS, Disney, Shake shack, Macy's, and MSG) and other Elite corporations.

^^^ this is just some alumni I was able to research.

3) Basketball facilities

-Two hall of fame coaches
-MSG for homecourt
- New weight facilities
- and a president who seems willing to invest in basketball


* Yes, SJU campus is not Pepperdine university visually, but would an perspective recruit really pass on the following three?


Sidenote:
1) * is for graduate ranking not undergraduate.

2) **CEO emeritus.


Maybe the alcohol is hitting me, but SJU still has alot to offer.
 
Campus has improved but hard to make a great chicken salad out of chicken crap.

How many students does the on-campus residences hold ? I know there are off campus apartments too. I assume many may commute home on weekends. What's the weekend atmosphere like on campus?

I'm not a big fan of rankings, based on the factors/weightings, but I recall we were at bottom of Forbes overall ranking too.

With the limited space we have, too much of it is occupied by fields for teams. Too bad there was not an off site complex nearby to serve as a hub.

Athletes desires/needs are different, no doubt.
 
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