Shanley : need for better basketball facilities

[otis]

To understand just how important Father Brian Shanley is to the Big East Conference please watch the below linked video wherein in her Hall of Fame inauguration speech Big East Commissioner Val Ackerman singled out Rev. Shanley for his leadership within the conference. (fast forward to around the 5 minute mark).

[As a side note I did not understand just how impressive Ackerman's background is.  The entire 8 minute video is worth the watch.)

 

[otis]

 

[jalba07]

Hearing this news makes me think of Charley Brown trying to kick the football.

 

[monte]

Don't underestimate the amount of college basketball fans-not necessarily SJU fans- living in Manhattan who attend games at MSG. Those fans are not schlepping out to UBS. A good-very good SJU team can come close to selling out MSG, and on occasion selling out. Don't see that happening at UBS. Selfish and recruiting reasons aside, I don't see the benefit of playing games at UBS rather then at MSG. 

 

[Knight]

Don't underestimate the amount of college basketball fans-not necessarily SJU fans- living in Manhattan who attend games at MSG. Those fans are not schlepping out to UBS. A good-very good SJU team can come close to selling out MSG, and on occasion selling out. Don't see that happening at UBS. Selfish and recruiting reasons aside, I don't see the benefit of playing games at UBS rather then at MSG. 

How about the OOC games as part of doubleheaders at IBS?

 

[Knight]

Don't underestimate the amount of college basketball fans-not necessarily SJU fans- living in Manhattan who attend games at MSG. Those fans are not schlepping out to UBS. A good-very good SJU team can come close to selling out MSG, and on occasion selling out. Don't see that happening at UBS. Selfish and recruiting reasons aside, I don't see the benefit of playing games at UBS rather then at MSG. 

How about the OOC games as part of doubleheaders at UBS?

 

[monte]

Don't underestimate the amount of college basketball fans-not necessarily SJU fans- living in Manhattan who attend games at MSG. Those fans are not schlepping out to UBS. A good-very good SJU team can come close to selling out MSG, and on occasion selling out. Don't see that happening at UBS. Selfish and recruiting reasons aside, I don't see the benefit of playing games at UBS rather then at MSG. 

How about the OOC games as part of doubleheaders at UBS?

Something like that once a year could work, with the other game maybe having 2 local teams for draw purposes. IE Hofstra, Iona, St. Francis, etc Just don't think UBS will ever work in place of MSG and/or a nice on campus facility. Curious to see attendance for Kansas game 

 

[redstorm89]

i currently live out of state and it is much easier to get to MSG than UBS arena.  I don't mind playing 1 game a year but i honestly don't think it would help us.  When the Barclays opened everyone was saying that we should play games there but every time we did the arena was practically empty.

 

[redken]

Don't underestimate the amount of college basketball fans-not necessarily SJU fans- living in Manhattan who attend games at MSG. Those fans are not schlepping out to UBS. A good-very good SJU team can come close to selling out MSG, and on occasion selling out. Don't see that happening at UBS. Selfish and recruiting reasons aside, I don't see the benefit of playing games at UBS rather then at MSG. 

Nor do our players, nor do the ones we're recruiting.

 

[SJUFAN2]

Back to my post I had a few months back about no more games at CA. We need to move our games to UBS and MSG or maybe just UBS. Knicks and Rangers attendance is down I wonder how much is due to the surging crime rate in Manhattan? Also the pandemic has moved the 9-5 corporate guy to work from home rather than trek into the city. Maybe UBS is the answer ?

The crime rate has nothing to do with attendance at MSG.  People living in NYC are already there and haven't fled because of the crime so its not keeping them from going.  People in the burbs take a train right into the building.  Unless all of the new criming going on is in Penn Station or Grand Central, then nearly all of the people coming into the city for the game aren't exposed to, or concerned with all this criming.

Your other point is more likely the culprit.  Most of the people who commuted to Manhattan are now working from home at least part time.   They don't miss the commute and aren't going out of their way to attend a game on a week night.   as you said, perhaps UBS is part of the solution.   From where I live its 2 hours door to door to get to MSG on a train.  Its at least 90min driving.   Takes me an hour to drive to UBS.   

We have a smart AD.  He'll figure it out.

 

[room112]

I said this the last time this came up. But I wonder if the people who are proposing we play more games in UBS are only doing so because it's easier for them to get to that arena. 

Regardless, I'm confident those in charge of decisions like these at the school will make the right decision. I haven't always felt that way but thankfully we are here. 

 

[redmen4life]

Back to my post I had a few months back about no more games at CA. We need to move our games to UBS and MSG or maybe just UBS. Knicks and Rangers attendance is down I wonder how much is due to the surging crime rate in Manhattan? Also the pandemic has moved the 9-5 corporate guy to work from home rather than trek into the city. Maybe UBS is the answer ?

The crime rate has nothing to do with attendance at MSG.  People living in NYC are already there and haven't fled because of the crime so its not keeping them from going.  People in the burbs take a train right into the building.  Unless all of the new criming going on is in Penn Station or Grand Central, then nearly all of the people coming into the city for the game aren't exposed to, or concerned with all this criming.

Your other point is more likely the culprit.  Most of the people who commuted to Manhattan are now working from home at least part time.   They don't miss the commute and aren't going out of their way to attend a game on a week night.   as you said, perhaps UBS is part of the solution.   From where I live its 2 hours door to door to get to MSG on a train.  Its at least 90min driving.   Takes me an hour to drive to UBS.   

We have a smart AD.  He'll figure it out.


 

crime rate has nothing to do with it.

working from home hasn't helped.  many people live in jersy, conn, outer boroughs.  no one wants to leave their house at 5pm to come into the city.  i have a co-worker who is a die-hard kentucky fan.  he's gone to all the champions classic here at the garden. this year, bc of WFH, he didn't want to trek into the city at 5/6 pm...

the other thing is kids and vaccine.  i personally have a baby and she can't get vaxxed.  i didn't get season tix to limit my exposure to large indoor crowds.  i'm sure others in the past have brought the entire family to games, but now have 2nd thoughts...

going to a game is more expensive than ever.  the pandemic has hit many people really hard.  people rightfully so are scrutinizing their spend.

 

[Knight]

UBS games replacing games at CA is my thought, not replacing MSG.

 

[BrooklynRed]

Using UBS for our out of conference games would happen if it was economically feasable vs. holding the games at CA.  To utilize UBS, St. John's would have to pay a "site fee" plus pay the opponent an "appearance Fee".  Then we would have to sell a sufficicient number of tickets to cover those costs and turn a profit.  I personally don't believe it is economically feasable and see a CA "true" renovation as the answer.  Maybe we could use UBS for a big name, big draw opponent.  I will be interested to see Kansas game attendence which has the added feature of being the first College BB game at the arena. 

 

[paultzman]

Expect to live with mainly combination of CA and MSG w smattering of UBS for a while. I really expect a very good 21-22 season, but the next year, with the loss of some talent, will be hard to replicate. If so, Cragg won’t take a huge chance overbooking big arenas and eating money IMO. Hopefully I am wrong, but just being realistic in super competitive BE.

 

[BrooklynRed]

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working from home hasn't helped.  many people live in jersy, conn, outer boroughs.  no one wants to leave their house at 5pm to come into the city.  i have a co-worker who is a die-hard kentucky fan.  he's gone to all the champions classic here at the garden. this year, bc of WFH, he didn't want to trek into the city at 5/6 pm...


 

Interesting point regarding Working From Home and then coming into NYC for those who live outside.  Don't know if Craig saw this and got BE to schedule our MSG games but 4 of the 5 are Saturday/Sunday afternoons (only Nova is a Tuesday),  Really good for fans plus families to attend,

 

[Sherman Sheridan & Grant]

UBS games replacing games at CA is my thought, not replacing MSG.

There is no reason we cannot use the new Islanders arena, CA and MSG. We certainly wouldn’t want to lose our foothold in Madison Square, Garden or I am sure Syracuse, Connecticut and Seton Hall would jump in.

I fully trust the new President, no not Biden, our AD and HC all of whom we are fortunate to have. A bee dawn. A new triumvirate in St. John’s Basketball History.

blessings and
all the best!
 

 

[monte]

With regard to people staying out of the city and working from home, here's what I can tell you as someone who is involved in real estate in Manhattan(and the outer boroughs); sales prices remain steady, and rental prices are above pre-covid levels and vacancies are way down. Now, I don't know if these renters are mostly former residents who are moving back, mostly newcomers or a combination of both. All I can tell you is that the rental market is booming. 

 

[QueensBall]

Having moved from NYC over 5 years ago now (I've only attended 2 games in the last 5 or 6 seasons) I may be forgetting the drawbacks but I always felt such a great homecourt advantage in Carnesecca. I always thought our homecourt advantage there was underrated. When the team is good and the place is packed it feels like hell for the other team. Teams really hate playing there. Not badmouthing UBS without experiencing it (hopefully it's great) but I always felt like the ideal situation, for me at least, was a decent upgrade to Carnesecca where capacity can be somewhat increased without losing it's bandbox charm, the seating was more friendly on the back and legs and some upgrades in the concessions. Give me an upgraded Carnesecca with 4 or 5 "big games" at MSG per season and I couldn't ask for more. I'm sure there are significant financial hurdles for why that can't happen but it's what I envision in my head when I think of the ideal situation for the program.

 

[capmaker]

With regard to people staying out of the city and working from home, here's what I can tell you as someone who is involved in real estate in Manhattan(and the outer boroughs); sales prices remain steady, and rental prices are above pre-covid levels and vacancies are way down. Now, I don't know if these renters are mostly former residents who are moving back, mostly newcomers or a combination of both. All I can tell you is that the rental market is booming. 

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