Seton Hall - 2nd Game
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beast of the east
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You've heard it all, but learn to read. I didn't say he deserves coach of the year, I said he deserves consideration. He's done a really nice job with the roster we've had. Face it, our defense is about 5x as good as last year, our ball movement and shooting has improved in the half court offense, we have improved dramatically in 3 point shooting, and we are now a dangerous team in transition. All pluses given the roster we have.
Aside from reading comprehension, even your criteria is off. It the criteria is simply to win the conference there would be no discussion or votes. In that manner Calipari student team managers could win coach of the year with the talent that's been amassed. Coaching has something to do with doing the best that can be done with the roster you have.
westchesterjoe
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Beast, your using Brilliant and Lavin in the same sentence IS mutually exclusive. Consideration for BE COY?
Well, consideration could be given to any BE Coach if you went through the list as you would go through a ballot. However, heaping praise on this COACH, as we struggle once again to finish, maybe .500 in the BE AND, SIT ON THE FENCE AGAIN for a NCAA bid?
This is a team of 4 Seniors, 1 junior and i soph that lost to the worst team in the League! Saturday, we played the SH freshman team even, for 30 minutes before we rallied and Whitehead thought he would help us out by hoisting off the mark shots from everywhere.
Only Winning Coaches pass the ballot test, Wright, Holtmann,Cooley,JT3, and, possibly, Mack warrant consideration..
We all have suffered through too many years of lousy SJU basketball that we grasp any straw to latch onto, to relieve the angst of the last 15 years.. Bouquets to what may be a middle of the pack Coach are not warranted.
Well, consideration could be given to any BE Coach if you went through the list as you would go through a ballot. However, heaping praise on this COACH, as we struggle once again to finish, maybe .500 in the BE AND, SIT ON THE FENCE AGAIN for a NCAA bid?
This is a team of 4 Seniors, 1 junior and i soph that lost to the worst team in the League! Saturday, we played the SH freshman team even, for 30 minutes before we rallied and Whitehead thought he would help us out by hoisting off the mark shots from everywhere.
Only Winning Coaches pass the ballot test, Wright, Holtmann,Cooley,JT3, and, possibly, Mack warrant consideration..
We all have suffered through too many years of lousy SJU basketball that we grasp any straw to latch onto, to relieve the angst of the last 15 years.. Bouquets to what may be a middle of the pack Coach are not warranted.
beast of the east
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Again. Another guy who can't read. Just a few weeks ago, some of you and your prognosticators were saying that we may get swept the entire rest of the schedule. Harrison was banged up, we got crushed by Butler and many had written us off. 7-7 means squat in the standings, but for those of you who sit at home and watch the scoreboard you've missed the radical improvement of several players, our team offense, and team defense. That my friend is coaching.
beast of the east
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You obviously have a difference of opinion as to what consideration means. I believe it means when you have this discussion of coaches who have done a really good job with the roster and issues they've had, Lavin deserves to be in that discussion. If I had one vote, would I vote for him - NO. But if I if was ranking the top 4 coaches this season, I think I'd have him somewhere in the mix.
beast of the east
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Last year we went 10-8 in conference and I do not believe we'd have this discussion. The half court offense was horrendous, the defense porous, and Lavin & co never quite learned to harness a pretty deep roster. I think that's objective.
On the other hand, this year our roster is razor thing. We really don't have a consistent contributor past #6, and yet we are shooting better, defending better, making our lack of height a problem for other teams because we are so athletic, and have become a superior transition team. That doesn't have to translate to a huge winning record, but that all that some people on here, you included, are capable of analyzing.
beast of the east
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Good stat, but what have we shot the last 5 games from three? And watching most games, do you expect us to make wide open threes this year at a greater clip than last year? I believe, not looking, that Harrison, Greene, and Branch are making their threes last year at a better clip than last. But thanks for checking.
westchesterjoe
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The Kentucky team Managers might actually play basketball well enough that they could get minutes on our team right now.. 
Our Roster was put together by Maestro Lavin when he recruited this group of players. LIKE THEM FOR THEIR HUSTLE, their struggles to beat teams they should stomp, lose games they should never lose, etc.
I haven't seen any Coaching expertise from Lavin that would distinguish him for such consideration.
Our Roster was put together by Maestro Lavin when he recruited this group of players. LIKE THEM FOR THEIR HUSTLE, their struggles to beat teams they should stomp, lose games they should never lose, etc.
I haven't seen any Coaching expertise from Lavin that would distinguish him for such consideration.
Seton hall game is over. Time to lock this one up
westchesterjoe
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Stats ? Evaluating teams are about Wins/LOSSES AND RESULTS. Being in the middle of the conference is mediocre. Medicore COACHING, playing, rebounding, etc.
Razor thin? WHERE was ROSTER management in getting , eligible players that are bona fide BE PLAYERS? No height? Power forward in the 3-4 star category that are 6'8" are all over the COUNTRY but, not on our team? Why not?
I think many are getting delirious again, as we try mightily to squeek out a NCAA bid in year 5.. Lavin's contribution? HE is giving us the same as we had in the 4 prior years. HE IS, what he is, no more, no less.
Razor thin? WHERE was ROSTER management in getting , eligible players that are bona fide BE PLAYERS? No height? Power forward in the 3-4 star category that are 6'8" are all over the COUNTRY but, not on our team? Why not?
I think many are getting delirious again, as we try mightily to squeek out a NCAA bid in year 5.. Lavin's contribution? HE is giving us the same as we had in the 4 prior years. HE IS, what he is, no more, no less.
westchesterjoe
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WERE YOU RECENTLY APPOINTED MODERATOR? i think the discussion is worthwhile, switch to new post then.. Beast raised an issue on Lavin as a candidate for COY on this thread. Many have taken exception..
It isn't mote than that. CURTAILING DISCUSSION is not your province at this time.
It isn't mote than that. CURTAILING DISCUSSION is not your province at this time.
As soon as I read your post, Beast, I thought that the pitchfork and torch crowd would come out in force. And boy, did they ever!
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beast of the east
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Thank you. Did you look at the last 5 games, or was that the last 5 games?
You said that three point shooting had improved dramatically this year. That did not square with my impression so I checked: it had not. Then you said that those three players had improved dramatically, and again that did not square, so I looked and they have not. If you're just going to keep changing the parameters until we locate something that's correct I'm willing to stipulate that there is some statement that you can make about three point shooting that is not false. But if you want to hire me to research your posts further I'm going to need a retainer.
beast of the east
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You're used to retainers. I didn't change it on the second request. I asked you to check 3 point shooting the last five games. To me the looks have improved and we are making wide open looks at a much higher clip.