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I know the goal is to raise revenue, and that increased sponsorships are important, but money fans and alums donate get nothing in return but a 2x or 4x points. Corporations use sponsorship and venue ads to boost sales - they are getting something in return. A $200,000 commitment in sponsorships bumps ahead of 95% of STHs and ahead of most donors STHs. I dont mind them getting tix but an alum donating 25, 50, or 100k or more is a significant donor but could get bumped by a one year sponsor who paid more in ads but had no tix prior. Sitting in those seats will be few people who bleed Johnny red the way we do.

I am not incensed over that but it doesn't sit well with me. Not thinking selfishly here. I'm happy with my seats tho really should have had better chouces available that were long gone by Monday a.m.
 
Beasts of the East said:
I know the goal is to raise revenue, and that increased sponsorships are important, but money fans and alums donate get nothing in return but a 2x or 4x points. Corporations use sponsorship and venue ads to boost sales - they are getting something in return. A $200,000 commitment in sponsorships bumps ahead of 95% of STHs and ahead of most donors STHs. I dont mind them getting tix but an alum donating 25, 50, or 100k or more is a significant donor but could get bumped by a one year sponsor who paid more in ads but had no tix prior. Sitting in those seats will be few people who bleed Johnny red the way we do.

I am not incensed over that but it doesn't sit well with me. Not thinking selfishly here. I'm happy with my seats tho really should have had better chouces available that were long gone by Monday a.m.
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Similar thing happened for the Las Vegas tickets. Received a email around 10:30 announcing presale would be at...10. Said SJU section would be 118. Check seats in 118, grand total of 4 available, last row. Purchased in 119, closer to center court but still behind our bench.

I am also pleased with my season tickets but I was sweating it out at first.
 
Anyone able to share what’s generally left at MSG? I called the office a few weeks ago about season tickets (have been only MSG) and was told basically they are already at capacity for CA so any deposits at this point would just be priority for MSG. I decided to play it out and wait for MSG package thinking at 5500 give or take ticket holders I’d be fine at MSG to get my current seats or equivalent, but now I’m worried that there are more than 5500 including people getting bounced from CA to only MSG.
 
Beasts of the East said:
I know the goal is to raise revenue, and that increased sponsorships are important, but money fans and alums donate get nothing in return but a 2x or 4x points. Corporations use sponsorship and venue ads to boost sales - they are getting something in return. A $200,000 commitment in sponsorships bumps ahead of 95% of STHs and ahead of most donors STHs. I dont mind them getting tix but an alum donating 25, 50, or 100k or more is a significant donor but could get bumped by a one year sponsor who paid more in ads but had no tix prior. Sitting in those seats will be few people who bleed Johnny red the way we do.

I am not incensed over that but it doesn't sit well with me. Not thinking selfishly here. I'm happy with my seats tho really should have had better chouces available that were long gone by Monday a.m.
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Now that schools are paying the players (seven figures apiece for most of our starting lineup), it is a full blown professional sport. The corporate sponsorships I understand. But the whole model of asking ticketholders to donate to the school in order to secure their seats just doesn't fit into the professional sports model. You don't need to make a side donation to the Mets in order to secure your seats. You just pay up, or not. I think the school will get away with this particular reseating. I'm hearing a lot of people in the "better" seats got bumped back a row or 2, which they will suck up this time. But this process can't go on much longer, it's too annoying, too opaque. Mixing school donations with professional sports ticketing just isn't going to cut it.
 
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upstate redman said:
Anyone able to share what’s generally left at MSG? I called the office a few weeks ago about season tickets (have been only MSG) and was told basically they are already at capacity for CA so any deposits at this point would just be priority for MSG. I decided to play it out and wait for MSG package thinking at 5500 give or take ticket holders I’d be fine at MSG to get my current seats or equivalent, but now I’m worried that there are more than 5500 including people getting bounced from CA to only MSG.
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There are plenty of MSG seats left at this time but the process has just begun so it would be hard to make an assessment of what will be available at the end of the process which runs until at least next week.
 
redfanOO00ddkk said:
More technical difficulties, allowing a max of 4 tickets at MSG.
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Sean from Learfield sent an email to season ticket holders saying it is a software glitch that is being worked on. In the meantime there was a number to call and they will assist you;

Hello Red Storm Season Ticket Holder,

Due to an issue in Ticketmaster, Seat selection is maxed at 4 in our MSG Virtual Venue. If you are looking for our maxed allowed seating of 6 please call the ticket office and we will assist you accordingly. We apologize for the inconvenience; we are working with Ticketmaster to get this resolved as quickly as possible.


Best,
Sean Black
Account Executive, Ticket Sales and Service
St. John’s Athletics | LEARFIELD Amplify
blacks1@stjohns.edu
Text or Call 718-990-2030
 
SJU85 said:
There are plenty of MSG seats left at this time but the process has just begun so it would be hard to make an assessment of what will be available at the end of the process which runs until at least next week.
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Thank you. I’m debating just making the deposit first season tickets now and getting access. Having said that increased amount of games at MSG and a growing young family might make going to games impossible but I just want to have them anyway.
 
Redenbacher said:
Now that teams are paying the players (seven figures apiece for most of our starting lineup), it is a full blown professional sport. The corporate sponsorships I understand. But the whole model of asking ticketholders to donate to the school in order to secure their seats just doesn't fit into the professional sports model. You don't need to make a side donation to the Mets in order to secure your seats. You just pay up, or not. I think the school will get away with this particular reseating. I'm hearing a lot of people in the "better" seats got bumped back a row or 2, which they will suck up this time. But this process can't go on much longer, it's too annoying, too opaque. Mixing school donations with professional sports ticketing just isn't going to cut it.
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Seat donations have been with us for many seasons. They stop short of saying it's tax deductible because it's a shaky deduction.

I don't deduct mine, but the way i look at it is even with the increases i dont think i could buy a Knick playoff ticket at my seat location for the price of my season ticket.

We are in an era of $30 appetizers, $55 entrees, $20 glasses of wine, and $20 desserts for dinner at a good restaurant. You can certainly find cheaper, and in our case it would be hofstra basketball.

All part of Father Shanley's master plan to restore sju basketball. The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow so to speak.

Just trying to avoid going "to the grave as an angry old man".

Just be thankful that even if
squeezed, we can afford to do this.
 
Beasts of the East said:
Seat donations have been with us for many seasons. They stop short of saying it's tax deductible because it's a shaky deduction.

I don't deduct mine, but the way i look at it is even with the increases i dont think i could buy a Knick playoff ticket at my seat location for the price of my season ticket.

We are in an era of $30 appetizers, $55 entrees, $20 glasses of wine, and $20 desserts for dinner at a good restaurant. You can certainly find cheaper, and in our case it would be hofstra basketball.

All part of Father Shanley's master plan to restore sju basketball. The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow so to speak.

Just trying to avoid going "to the grave as an angry old man".

Just be thankful that even if
squeezed, we can afford to do this.
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You're missing my point. It's not about the cost. It is about the process. I am fully aware that seat donations have been around for many years. But we're in a brand new world now, aren't we? SJU is now a professional sports team. So just make the ticketing process transparent and drop the opaque, annoying priority points component and bake whatever amount is required to pay the players, coaches, GM, overhead, etc into the ticket price. It can't be that hard.
 
Redenbacher said:
You're missing my point. It's not about the cost. It is about the process. I am fully aware that seat donations have been around for many years. But we're in a brand new world now, aren't we? SJU is now a professional sports team. So just make the ticketing process transparent and drop the opaque, annoying priority points component and bake whatever amount is required to pay the players, coaches, GM, overhead, etc into the ticket price. It can't be that hard.
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I'd say the opaqueness is a feature and not a bug. They want people to be motivated to give and spend more money, and literally feel at risk of dropping down in a points system if they don't keep up. If they just bake in whatever amount, they're also capping themselves at what revenue they can potentially get from this.
 
Redenbacher said:
You're missing my point. It's not about the cost. It is about the process. I am fully aware that seat donations have been around for many years. But we're in a brand new world now, aren't we? SJU is now a professional sports team. So just make the ticketing process transparent and drop the opaque, annoying priority points component and bake whatever amount is required to pay the players, coaches, GM, overhead, etc into the ticket price. It can't be that hard.
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I got your point. Serenity prayer.
 
dk423 said:
I'd say the opaqueness is a feature and not a bug. They want people to be motivated to give and spend more money, and literally feel at risk of dropping down in a points system if they don't keep up. If they just bake in whatever amount, they're also capping themselves at what revenue they can potentially get from this.
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Sorry, I couldn't disagree more. They can jack up ticket prices every year if the supply-demand dynamics of the market warrant it. They can also ramp up the corporate sponsorships if the team performs. But scaring people into making side donations in the hopes of retaining their seats shouldn't be part of the process-and it isn't part of the process for any other professional sports team.
 
Redenbacher said:
Sorry, I couldn't disagree more. They can jack up ticket prices every year if the supply-demand dynamics of the market warrant it. They can also ramp up the corporate sponsorships if the team performs. But scaring people into making side donations in the hopes of retaining their seats shouldn't be part of the process-and it isn't part of the process for any other professional sports team.
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What are you disagreeing about? I'm not saying that's what it should be, but that's absolutely the reasoning behind the process of it.

Everything you're saying is exactly what they will do, on top of this points system. So if they didn't incentivize donations and instead just made a price per seat, those donations don't happen.

I actually think the seats are very reasonably priced, and the per game price on the open market will be pretty high. It's an arms race, so I don't blame the school for doing all of this.
 
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Redenbacher said:
Sorry, I couldn't disagree more. They can jack up ticket prices every year if the supply-demand dynamics of the market warrant it. They can also ramp up the corporate sponsorships if the team performs. But scaring people into making side donations in the hopes of retaining their seats shouldn't be part of the process-and it isn't part of the process for any other professional sports team.
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but other colleges do it
 
dk423 said:
What are you disagreeing about? I'm not saying that's what it should be, but that's absolutely the reasoning behind the process of it.

Everything you're saying is exactly what they will do, on top of this points system. It's an arms race.
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I am disagreeing - vehemently- with your statement that "opaqueness is a feature and not a bug." Of course it's an arms race, just as every professional sports team is in an arms race for talent every year. But the Mets don't try to use opaqueness to scare me into spending more. They just tell me what the price is. Take it or leave it.
 
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