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[quote="gman" post=287578][quote="Moose" post=287571]
Well the MSG number seems to be shrinking every year.[/quote]

Due to having a crappy product that couldn't sell out MSG. Get a good product on the court and I would expect the number of MSG games to go back up.[/quote]

I don't know if that's exactly the reason. SJU was making money off crowds under 10k I recall or at minimum breaking even. That's why Norm survived so many years. Yes the renovations bumped the rent significantly. And dates are definitely becoming harder to come by it seems. Especially when TV and start times are factored in as well.
 
Can confirm the renovation of CA is 100% in discussions but still in the planning stage i.e. blueprints, designs, concepts, etc. So the notion that it will not happen is wrong. Renovations were deemed much more doable than knocking it down. If the money was there, CA would've been knocked down...but the money apparently is not there and I guess no donors came forward.
 
Start times and sched dictated by Fox for sure.

Break even communicated ti me as 10k, and the only sure bets are nova, syracuse, duke. The rest they get hammered on. No brainer to bring them home to profit and winnable home court advantage
 
That;s where they get killed is with start times. Noon Saturday games are tough because kids have sports and other commitments. If they were able to play some 4pm MSG games I think the crowds would be great. The issue is fox scheduling and secondly since we do not draw well at MSG they often like to schedule two events per day on weekends so we are regulated to 12 noon or 8pm game like Nova last year.
 
[quote="Manhattan1" post=287617]That;s where they get killed is with start times. Noon Saturday games are tough because kids have sports and other commitments. If they were able to play some 4pm MSG games I think the crowds would be great. The issue is fox scheduling and secondly since we do not draw well at MSG they often like to schedule two events per day on weekends so we are regulated to 12 noon or 8pm game like Nova last year.[/quote]





Besides Fox dictating the time of games the Knicks are also involved.
 
The Grammy's were the reason given for the reduced # of MSG games last season. What's this year's excuse?
Rail problems in Penn Station?
 
I wonder if "rescuing" theater style seating from another venue being torn down might serve to upgrade Carnesecca.
 
I wonder with all the financial challenges SJU faces, inclusive of low enrollment, where the CA renovation project lies on priority list. Does anyone see this occurring in the next five years?
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=287631]I wonder with all the financial challenges SJU faces, inclusive of low enrollment, where the CA renovation project lies on priority list. Does anyone see this occurring in the next five years?[/quote]

No. A higher up person personally told me last year that the grand plan was to build a new arena where the current parking lot is, and then completely denied ever having said that. I think the athletic department got a sharp rebuke from the farm economics guy on the ROI of a brand new arena.

The only renovation that could possibly make any sense is the expansion behind the baskets that could make this an 8-9000 seat arena with seat backs for all except maybe the least expensive seats. The cost of that renovation/addition alone would not yield a great ROI since at no time during Lavin's two NCAA seasons did we come close to filling CA on a consistent basis.

I can't see them adding more seatbacks to the opposite court and decreasing capacity by another 500-750 simply to make fans more comfortable.

Finally if any renovation were to occur as a result of success, look for the school to finance it in part by higher ticket prices.

Bottom line answer to your question: No. Especially with a renovated Coliseum fairly close and a new arena at Belmont maybe 7-8 minutes away. I'd be against either for a home court, but the economics just don't justify it. Our athletic department giving would have to finance nearly all of it and I don't see our alums coughing up 30 million, or a single donor $22 million for naming rights as a recent Villanova alum did.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=287631]I wonder with all the financial challenges SJU faces, inclusive of low enrollment, where the CA renovation project lies on priority list. Does anyone see this occurring in the next five years?[/quote]

From a direct source the answer appears to be yes. Discussions have been in regards to more seatbacks but not all seatbacks, changing the student sections perhaps to be on the floor and closer to the game, and more of a oval shape that is connected instead of a square with awkward student sections too high away from the action. This is also pretty high on the priority list and if plans were being looked at around December when I was told about it, I'd think it's a pretty safe bet it's within 5 years. The source knows it's a major issue with fans and wants to renovate. Knocking down and starting over is too expensive and not possible.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=287683][quote="Paultzman" post=287631]I wonder with all the financial challenges SJU faces, inclusive of low enrollment, where the CA renovation project lies on priority list. Does anyone see this occurring in the next five years?[/quote]

From a direct source the answer appears to be yes. Discussions have been in regards to more seatbacks but not all seatbacks, changing the student sections perhaps to be on the floor and closer to the game, and more of a oval shape that is connected instead of a square with awkward student sections too high away from the action. This is also pretty high on the priority list and if plans were being looked at around December when I was told about it, I'd think it's a pretty safe bet it's within 5 years. The source knows it's a major issue with fans and wants to renovate. Knocking down and starting over is too expensive and not possible.[/quote]
Anton tends to be an optimist. “High on priority list” may reflect his desires, not those of a University faced with substantial $$ challenges. I think Beast is right.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=287642][quote="Paultzman" post=287631]I wonder with all the financial challenges SJU faces, inclusive of low enrollment, where the CA renovation project lies on priority list. Does anyone see this occurring in the next five years?[/quote]

No. A higher up person personally told me last year that the grand plan was to build a new arena where the current parking lot is, and then completely denied ever having said that. I think the athletic department got a sharp rebuke from the farm economics guy on the ROI of a brand new arena.

The only renovation that could possibly make any sense is the expansion behind the baskets that could make this an 8-9000 seat arena with seat backs for all except maybe the least expensive seats. The cost of that renovation/addition alone would not yield a great ROI since at no time during Lavin's two NCAA seasons did we come close to filling CA on a consistent basis.

I can't see them adding more seatbacks to the opposite court and decreasing capacity by another 500-750 simply to make fans more comfortable.

Finally if any renovation were to occur as a result of success, look for the school to finance it in part by higher ticket prices.

Bottom line answer to your question: No. Especially with a renovated Coliseum fairly close and a new arena at Belmont maybe 7-8 minutes away. I'd be against either for a home court, but the economics just don't justify it. Our athletic department giving would have to finance nearly all of it and I don't see our alums coughing up 30 million, or a single donor $22 million for naming rights as a recent Villanova alum did.[/quote]

I had heard the thought was to switch the court direction and expand behind the current student section.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=287687][quote="Mike Zaun" post=287683][quote="Paultzman" post=287631]I wonder with all the financial challenges SJU faces, inclusive of low enrollment, where the CA renovation project lies on priority list. Does anyone see this occurring in the next five years?[/quote]

From a direct source the answer appears to be yes. Discussions have been in regards to more seatbacks but not all seatbacks, changing the student sections perhaps to be on the floor and closer to the game, and more of a oval shape that is connected instead of a square with awkward student sections too high away from the action. This is also pretty high on the priority list and if plans were being looked at around December when I was told about it, I'd think it's a pretty safe bet it's within 5 years. The source knows it's a major issue with fans and wants to renovate. Knocking down and starting over is too expensive and not possible.[/quote]
Anton tends to be an optimist. “High on priority list” may reflect his desires, not those of a University faced with substantial $$ challenges. I think Beast is right.[/quote]

Maybe so, but it didn't even seem to be up in the air. More like a foregone conclusion. He supposedly was already meeting with architects about renovating so I'd be pretty surprised if nothing ultimately ends up happening. Maybe that's why they're re-doing the court and they hope that's enough and cheaper than total renovation? Who knows...just going off what I was told directly. Hope it works out because it's badly needed.
 
Our own JSJ would know better than anyone but from what I hear Beast is exactly right
 
So when they did the "renovations" a decade ago what exactly did they accomplish?
 
As a graduate of Binghamton I can tell you that our arena which opened in 2004 cost approximately $33 million to complete and was fully funded by New York State. A brand new pro style scoreboard was installed last season and other minor upgrades have been made. Some of these have been funded through alumni donations. To build a similar arena and St. John's would probably need more seats and some additional ammenities in Queens as opposed to Vestal NY in 2018 dollars would cost between 75 and 100 million dollars and have a footprint that there is no place for. It really is a shame.

Here are some pictures to see where your tax dollars go.

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[quote="Andrew" post=287693]As a graduate of Binghamton I can tell you that our arena which opened in 2004 cost approximately $33 million to complete and was fully funded by New York State. A brand new pro style scoreboard was installed last season and other minor upgrades have been made. Some of these have been funded through alumni donations. To build a similar arena and St. John's would probably beed more seats and some additional ammenities in Queens as opposed to Vestal NY in 2018 dollars would cost between 75 and 100 million dollars and have a footprint that there is no place for. It really is a shame.[/quote] Weathermannyc has assured me this year there will be a lightning strike on it and burn it the heck down and SJU will get the insurance money to build new one. Moral of this story is if at game during thunderstorm sit near weatherman
 
[quote="Room112" post=287691]So when they did the "renovations" a decade ago what exactly did they accomplish?[/quote]
A press release.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=287696][quote="Room112" post=287691]So when they did the "renovations" a decade ago what exactly did they accomplish?[/quote]
A press release.[/quote] 3 more pretzel sales per game
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=287642][quote="Paultzman" post=287631]I wonder with all the financial challenges SJU faces, inclusive of low enrollment, where the CA renovation project lies on priority list. Does anyone see this occurring in the next five years?[/quote]

No. A higher up person personally told me last year that the grand plan was to build a new arena where the current parking lot is, and then completely denied ever having said that. I think the athletic department got a sharp rebuke from the farm economics guy on the ROI of a brand new arena.

The only renovation that could possibly make any sense is the expansion behind the baskets that could make this an 8-9000 seat arena with seat backs for all except maybe the least expensive seats. The cost of that renovation/addition alone would not yield a great ROI since at no time during Lavin's two NCAA seasons did we come close to filling CA on a consistent basis.

I can't see them adding more seatbacks to the opposite court and decreasing capacity by another 500-750 simply to make fans more comfortable.

Finally if any renovation were to occur as a result of success, look for the school to finance it in part by higher ticket prices.

Bottom line answer to your question: No. Especially with a renovated Coliseum fairly close and a new arena at Belmont maybe 7-8 minutes away. I'd be against either for a home court, but the economics just don't justify it. Our athletic department giving would have to finance nearly all of it and I don't see our alums coughing up 30 million, or a single donor $22 million for naming rights as a recent Villanova alum did.[/quote]

I agree 100%!
Belmont is 4.8 miles away. I suspect a number of games will be scheduled there and students could easily be bused there in 15 minutes. The Garden will always be good for 4 or 5 games. Make Carnesecca as comfortable as possible for lesser games with students given priority seating. Once we are successful the fans will go wherever the games are played. But first we have to "make St. John's great again".;)
 
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