Sanders Decommits

[monte]

I'm sorry but you've got to be an extremely sleazy recruiter and garbage human being to steal a recruit from a team within your conference. 

So then, when is it ok to steal a recruit from another team? Because, I'm guessing, if we stole a recruit from Iona, Hofstra, etc it would be ok. What about if we stole a recruit from UCONN? No good? 

Two things. First, yes I would have a problem because I have morals and ethics. But it also depends on the circumstances of how the recruit was "Stolen". I don't want kids coming here because of sleazy tactics by our coach. Quite frankly that would probably make me lose interest in the team.

Second, Willard is the one who has to face Mike Anderson eventually. Typically, the coaches in this conference since the realignment have been very cordial and friendly with each other whenever they are assembled or after games. The Big East feels like a brotherhood as it attempts to stand up to the power conferences. This feels like it crosses the line.

You can disagree but those are my personal feelings.

Respect your position 112 and agree with much of what you're saying, especially with regard to the specific circumstances. But we don't know the specific circumstances here. Clearly Sanders was not fully committed to us, that's a fact. How and when Willard knew that is a whole other story. But as long as Sanders was still on the fence, even if he gave us a verbal, he was fair game IMO.  It may not be ethical, but it is legal. And recruiting has never been known to be a particularly ethical business. 

Sanders wasn’t on the fence.  He wanted to go to SJU.   Leave it at that.   Time to move on.

When this thread gets to the point that it's run it's course, I'm sure a mod  will lock it. Till then, how about you mind you're own F'in business and don't comment on any my posts??

Lol, I was saying it’s time to move on from the kid.  And btw, just commenting on how you’re wrong that nobody knows what happened etc.  P.S. I’ll comment on whatever I want.  No need to be a dick

In case you didn't realize it before, I'm not a big fan of restricting free speech(within reason and the site rules), conversations, etc. I don't react well when someone tries to silence me or anyone else. It's the liberal in me.  Im even ok with you calling me a dick. My guess; you're lot more brazen when you're hiding behind a keyboard and using an alias. 

 

[Las Vegan]

Is their any previous example, within the Big East, where a recruit of one school, who made a verbal commitment, ended up at another member school?

 

[mjmaherjr]

Is their any previous example, within the Big East, where a recruit of one school, who made a verbal commitment, ended up at another member school?

Doug Wiggins
Moe Harkless

 

[mjmaherjr]

I'm sorry but you've got to be an extremely sleazy recruiter and garbage human being to steal a recruit from a team within your conference. 

So then, when is it ok to steal a recruit from another team? Because, I'm guessing, if we stole a recruit from Iona, Hofstra, etc it would be ok. What about if we stole a recruit from UCONN? No good? 

Two things. First, yes I would have a problem because I have morals and ethics. But it also depends on the circumstances of how the recruit was "Stolen". I don't want kids coming here because of sleazy tactics by our coach. Quite frankly that would probably make me lose interest in the team.

Second, Willard is the one who has to face Mike Anderson eventually. Typically, the coaches in this conference since the realignment have been very cordial and friendly with each other whenever they are assembled or after games. The Big East feels like a brotherhood as it attempts to stand up to the power conferences. This feels like it crosses the line.

You can disagree but those are my personal feelings.

Respect your position 112 and agree with much of what you're saying, especially with regard to the specific circumstances. But we don't know the specific circumstances here. Clearly Sanders was not fully committed to us, that's a fact. How and when Willard knew that is a whole other story. But as long as Sanders was still on the fence, even if he gave us a verbal, he was fair game IMO.  It may not be ethical, but it is legal. And recruiting has never been known to be a particularly ethical business. 

Sanders wasn’t on the fence.  He wanted to go to SJU.   Leave it at that.   Time to move on.

When this thread gets to the point that it's run it's course, I'm sure a mod  will lock it. Till then, how about you mind you're own F'in business and don't comment on any my posts??

Lol, I was saying it’s time to move on from the kid.  And btw, just commenting on how you’re wrong that nobody knows what happened etc.  P.S. I’ll comment on whatever I want.  No need to be a dick

In case you didn't realize it before, I'm not a big fan of restricting free speech(within reason and the site rules), conversations, etc. I don't react well when someone tries to silence me or anyone else. It's the liberal in me.  Im even ok with you calling me a dick. My guess; you're lot more brazen when you're hiding behind a keyboard and using an alias. 

Next time Mcn is down for an MSG game I'm going to round up a bunch of guys from here to go out after the game. When MCN and Monte not knowing who each other is start hanging and talking hoops and like each other it's going to be pretty freaking funny when they realize who each other is

 

[Las Vegan]

That's correct, but I was thinking of the latest private school version of the conference, the last ten years or so.

 

[MCNPA]

I'm sorry but you've got to be an extremely sleazy recruiter and garbage human being to steal a recruit from a team within your conference. 

So then, when is it ok to steal a recruit from another team? Because, I'm guessing, if we stole a recruit from Iona, Hofstra, etc it would be ok. What about if we stole a recruit from UCONN? No good? 

Two things. First, yes I would have a problem because I have morals and ethics. But it also depends on the circumstances of how the recruit was "Stolen". I don't want kids coming here because of sleazy tactics by our coach. Quite frankly that would probably make me lose interest in the team.

Second, Willard is the one who has to face Mike Anderson eventually. Typically, the coaches in this conference since the realignment have been very cordial and friendly with each other whenever they are assembled or after games. The Big East feels like a brotherhood as it attempts to stand up to the power conferences. This feels like it crosses the line.

You can disagree but those are my personal feelings.

Respect your position 112 and agree with much of what you're saying, especially with regard to the specific circumstances. But we don't know the specific circumstances here. Clearly Sanders was not fully committed to us, that's a fact. How and when Willard knew that is a whole other story. But as long as Sanders was still on the fence, even if he gave us a verbal, he was fair game IMO.  It may not be ethical, but it is legal. And recruiting has never been known to be a particularly ethical business. 

Sanders wasn’t on the fence.  He wanted to go to SJU.   Leave it at that.   Time to move on.

When this thread gets to the point that it's run it's course, I'm sure a mod  will lock it. Till then, how about you mind you're own F'in business and don't comment on any my posts??

Lol, I was saying it’s time to move on from the kid.  And btw, just commenting on how you’re wrong that nobody knows what happened etc.  P.S. I’ll comment on whatever I want.  No need to be a dick

In case you didn't realize it before, I'm not a big fan of restricting free speech(within reason and the site rules), conversations, etc. I don't react well when someone tries to silence me or anyone else. It's the liberal in me.  Im even ok with you calling me a dick. My guess; you're lot more brazen when you're hiding behind a keyboard and using an alias. 

2 things:

1) I said let’s move on (from Sanders).  Didn’t try to restrict your free speech.  I told you that already.  It was to move on for the kid’s sake, not for you to move on.  I thought it was clear.

2) I don’t use an alias.  It’s my initials and I’ve been on here since the start.  And pretty much everybody who knows me will attest I’m no shrinking violet that hides behind a keyboard.  I’d call you a dick in person if that’s what you were being, just like on the interweb.  
 

 

[austour]

And FWIW if I remember correctly Marcus was a football player on one of the last STJ teams, and a pretty big boy back in the day. Not big like me either, more big like imposing instead of in danger of rolling down any hill he comes upon.  Just stalked his facebook page and he looks like he's kept in good shape.  /media/kunena/emoticons/cheerful.png

PS Enjoy the coming season everyone.  Tuesday can't come soon enough.

 

[Knight]

Relax friends.

 

[prjohnnies]

It sucks to lose Sanders, a good prospect, but he isn't irreplaceable by any means and I'm confident the staff will fill that hole.  I'm also leery of how long Sanders ends up staying in South Orange anyway.

As far as the recruitment, my guess is Woodward stayed in the ear of folks close to Sanders and played on issues like available playing time (especially b/c of Storrs) and getting further away from home.  Yes the kid committed already to us, but that's all part of the recruiting game.  If the situation flipped, we wouldn't be upset by it.  I don't think it makes the situation "slimy" -- it's part of the deal.  Plus we know Willard is a slime ball anyway -- this is the guy who hired Tiny Morton to save his job.  Nothing else ever needs to be said on that.

 

[monte]

I'm sorry but you've got to be an extremely sleazy recruiter and garbage human being to steal a recruit from a team within your conference. 

So then, when is it ok to steal a recruit from another team? Because, I'm guessing, if we stole a recruit from Iona, Hofstra, etc it would be ok. What about if we stole a recruit from UCONN? No good? 

Two things. First, yes I would have a problem because I have morals and ethics. But it also depends on the circumstances of how the recruit was "Stolen". I don't want kids coming here because of sleazy tactics by our coach. Quite frankly that would probably make me lose interest in the team.

Second, Willard is the one who has to face Mike Anderson eventually. Typically, the coaches in this conference since the realignment have been very cordial and friendly with each other whenever they are assembled or after games. The Big East feels like a brotherhood as it attempts to stand up to the power conferences. This feels like it crosses the line.

You can disagree but those are my personal feelings.

Respect your position 112 and agree with much of what you're saying, especially with regard to the specific circumstances. But we don't know the specific circumstances here. Clearly Sanders was not fully committed to us, that's a fact. How and when Willard knew that is a whole other story. But as long as Sanders was still on the fence, even if he gave us a verbal, he was fair game IMO.  It may not be ethical, but it is legal. And recruiting has never been known to be a particularly ethical business. 

Sanders wasn’t on the fence.  He wanted to go to SJU.   Leave it at that.   Time to move on.

When this thread gets to the point that it's run it's course, I'm sure a mod  will lock it. Till then, how about you mind you're own F'in business and don't comment on any my posts??

Lol, I was saying it’s time to move on from the kid.  And btw, just commenting on how you’re wrong that nobody knows what happened etc.  P.S. I’ll comment on whatever I want.  No need to be a dick

In case you didn't realize it before, I'm not a big fan of restricting free speech(within reason and the site rules), conversations, etc. I don't react well when someone tries to silence me or anyone else. It's the liberal in me.  Im even ok with you calling me a dick. My guess; you're lot more brazen when you're hiding behind a keyboard and using an alias. 

2 things:

1) I said let’s move on (from Sanders).  Didn’t try to restrict your free speech.  I told you that already.  It was to move on for the kid’s sake, not for you to move on.  I thought it was clear.

2) I don’t use an alias.  It’s my initials and I’ve been on here since the start.  And pretty much everybody who knows me will attest I’m no shrinking violet that hides behind a keyboard.  I’d call you a dick in person if that’s what you were being, just like on the interweb.  

 

I don't appreciate you telling me to "move on" from a discussion just because you don't want to discuss it or you don't think it ought to be discussed. That ain't your place guy. And if we were at a bar, and you approached me and told me to "move on" from a conversation that I was having, I'd tell you to "mind you own f'in business". Same as I did on here. 

 

[MCNPA]

I said we “move on” from Sanders.  Didn’t telll you to move on from the conversation.  You don’t get it but that’s ok.  You’re one that escalated it my man. 

 

[monte]

I said we “move on” from Sanders.  Didn’t telll you to move on from the conversation.  You don’t get it but that’s ok.  You’re one that escalated it my man. 

"Leave it at that"?
"Time to move on"?

Sure seems like you were talking to me, especially since you quoted my comment. 

 

[MCNPA]

I said we “move on” from Sanders.  Didn’t telll you to move on from the conversation.  You don’t get it but that’s ok.  You’re one that escalated it my man. 

"Leave it at that"?
"Time to move on"?

Sure seems like you were talking to me, especially since you quoted my comment. 

I should have said “I’ll leave it at that” as sju79 had suggested is due to the background.  Moving on was just to focus on other players as I had clarified multiple times. I tried not to say too much which is why I kept it short but that ship has sailed.

 

 

[room112]

I'm sorry but you've got to be an extremely sleazy recruiter and garbage human being to steal a recruit from a team within your conference. 

So then, when is it ok to steal a recruit from another team? Because, I'm guessing, if we stole a recruit from Iona, Hofstra, etc it would be ok. What about if we stole a recruit from UCONN? No good? 

Two things. First, yes I would have a problem because I have morals and ethics. But it also depends on the circumstances of how the recruit was "Stolen". I don't want kids coming here because of sleazy tactics by our coach. Quite frankly that would probably make me lose interest in the team.

Second, Willard is the one who has to face Mike Anderson eventually. Typically, the coaches in this conference since the realignment have been very cordial and friendly with each other whenever they are assembled or after games. The Big East feels like a brotherhood as it attempts to stand up to the power conferences. This feels like it crosses the line.

You can disagree but those are my personal feelings.

Respect your position 112 and agree with much of what you're saying, especially with regard to the specific circumstances. But we don't know the specific circumstances here. Clearly Sanders was not fully committed to us, that's a fact. How and when Willard knew that is a whole other story. But as long as Sanders was still on the fence, even if he gave us a verbal, he was fair game IMO.  It may not be ethical, but it is legal. And recruiting has never been known to be a particularly ethical business. 

You're right. I maybe jumped to conclusions because obviously I don't know anything about the situation. I don't know that Willard did anything wrong. What I do know is that if we were in the opposite position and Anderson was on the receiving end of signing a recruit like this from another Big East school, I'd feel a bit uncomfortable.

 

[room112]

Is their any previous example, within the Big East, where a recruit of one school, who made a verbal commitment, ended up at another member school?

Doug Wiggins
Moe Harkless

I'm a bit hazy on the Moe Harkless commitment. What exactly happened? I must not have been following closely at that time.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Is their any previous example, within the Big East, where a recruit of one school, who made a verbal commitment, ended up at another member school?

Doug Wiggins
Moe Harkless

I'm a bit hazy on the Moe Harkless commitment. What exactly happened? I must not have been following closely at that time.

If memory serves me correct he had verbally to uconn and later decommited. Lavin gets hired and I think it was his first signature recruit

 

[RedStormNC]

Uconn had a bunch of recruiting violations surface just before Harkness decommitted.  May not be only reason but it definitely was noted at the time.
 

 

[MCNPA]

Didn’t we steal Anthony Glover away from Seton Hall at the last minute or at least he was favored to go there?

 

[RedStormNC]

Didn’t we steal Anthony Glover away from Seton Hall at the last minute or at least he was favored to go there?

Good memory... here is an NY Times article on decision...came right after Fraschilla left and noted his close friendships with all the players

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/1998/0...-recruit-sticking-with-st-john-s-for-now.html[/URL]

 

[BrooklynRed]

Didn’t we steal Anthony Glover away from Seton Hall at the last minute or at least he was favored to go there?

Good memory... here is an NY Times article on decision...came right after Fraschilla left and noted his close friendships with all the players

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/1998/0...-recruit-sticking-with-st-john-s-for-now.html[/URL]

Thanks for sharing the article; it's a blast from the past reading all those names that were so stongly debated among the fans.  No mention of the Evil One who got the job.  Looking back a lot of those names would have been a disaster.