Sanders Decommits

[monte]

Definitely something funny going on, but we don't play that way so time to move on. 

Or maybe, at least in this case, Seton Hall just plays it better then us. I mean, all's fair in love, war and recruiting. 

 

[gonzalo]

At this point I'm more concerned about the Storr commitment sticking.

Agree. Far more important than Sanders.

Probably he "decommitted" because of Storr.  

    

Then, why Sanders committed to us more or less six weeks after Storr?

 

[MainMan]

I’d make a Doug Wiggins comparison but we’re thankfully not as down and desperate as we were back then. 

Never like losing a local recruit but Sanders was a “nice to get” vs a “must have” after our other commitments.

Rosters change a lot but I’m pretty happy about we’re we are at 2G and SF going forward.

 

[Delaware]

This just reeks of BS. Would not be surprised if SH has played games here. Can't wait to beat their asses on the court.

 

[mjmaherjr]

I was ecstatic when we got him so I'm not going to act like it’s not a big deal losing him but if Wusu by junior and senior year is better than Sanders then realistically it’s not going to bother me too much 

 

[Anthony Mattia]

Definitely something funny going on, but we don't play that way so time to move on. 

Or maybe, at least in this case, Seton Hall just plays it better then us. I mean, all's fair in love, war and recruiting. 

I find this hard to believe considering, if I recall correctly,  that his visit to the Hall went horribly.  You never hear about a visit not going well and word coming put of that visit was not good.

 

 

[BrookJersey Redmen]

Best to move on. My two cents says it is more about no wanting to have to compete for precious minutes than the location of school.

In this day of free transfer this guy was looking like a highly likely candidate. Better not to waste anymore time and energy on him.

Willard learned the slime game from Ricky P….and his father at Pitt wasn’t exactly squeaky clean

Seton Hall fans said his visit there was miserable.  If he chooses them, something odd going on. 

Ralph Willard's 5 year .434% record as HC at Pitt not terribly impressive, I guess he wasn't slimy there.
 

 

[monte]

Sort of reminds me of the time that Fran threw everything but the kitchen sink at Speedy in an effort to get him to decommit from Hofstra and come here. While it didn't work(kudos for Speedy for honoring his commitment), if I remember correctly, and I believe that I do, our fan base had no problem with that. 

 

[room112]

I'm sorry but you've got to be an extremely sleazy recruiter and garbage human being to steal a recruit from a team within your conference. 

 

[Notanalum]

From what I heard…

- Sanders mother had concerns about him staying home but the staff was very forthcoming and honest w her about the support system the players have
- storrs commitment/playing time issue was pushed HEAVILY by the hall
- staff is understandably not happy (to say the least) how this went down/ amount of time spent prioritizing him. Locally there are some jealous people pushing a narrative that this is not a good look for the OSL program but that’s not the case at all. They were very happy when he committed here originally and supported Sanders since then
- time to move on… and the staff immediately did on this one. 

 

[monte]

I'm sorry but you've got to be an extremely sleazy recruiter and garbage human being to steal a recruit from a team within your conference. 

So then, when is it ok to steal a recruit from another team? Because, I'm guessing, if we stole a recruit from Iona, Hofstra, etc it would be ok. What about if we stole a recruit from UCONN? No good? 

 

[monte]

Not for nothing boys, but if a kid committed to Seton Hall, and word got back to CMA that maybe that kid was having 2nd thoughts, and CMA and the staff didn't continue to pursue that kid, then I don't want CMA as our coach. But hey, maybe I don't have the high ethical standards that some of you do. 

 

[panther2]

Sort of reminds me of the time that Fran threw everything but the kitchen sink at Speedy in an effort to get him to decommit from Hofstra and come here. While it didn't work(kudos for Speedy for honoring his commitment), if I remember correctly, and I believe that I do, our fan base had no problem with that. 
 

Speedy played for me in AAU and did not really start attracting a lot of attention until CTK won the CHSAA CzIP during his junior year. When the season started, Lamar Odom, Erick Barkley, Ira Miller, and Kamal McQueen were all rated higher than Speedy.

Fran did not get Speedy, because Speedy's Mom caught him in a lie. Fran wanted Shaheen Holloway and Speedy was the his backup choice. He had Speedy and his family believing that Speedy was a priority. Then during the McDonalds All America game, Speedy's Mom saw Fran in the audience because he was still chasing after Shaheen.

In the meantime, Joe Jones who was an assistant coach at Hofstra had established a close relationship with the family. When the family realized that Fran was not being upfront with them, Speedy confirmed his commitment to Hofstra. In hindsight, Speedy should have been Fran's priority.

 

[monte]

Sort of reminds me of the time that Fran threw everything but the kitchen sink at Speedy in an effort to get him to decommit from Hofstra and come here. While it didn't work(kudos for Speedy for honoring his commitment), if I remember correctly, and I believe that I do, our fan base had no problem with that. 

 

Speedy played for me in AAU and did not really start attracting a lot of attention until CTK won the CHSAA CzIP during his junior year. When the season started, Lamar Odom, Erick Barkley, Ira Miller, and Kamal McQueen were all rated higher than Speedy.

Fran did not get Speedy, because Speedy's Mom caught him in a lie. Fran wanted Shaheen Holloway and Speedy was the his backup choice. He had Speedy and his family believing that Speedy was a priority. Then during the McDonalds All America game, Speedy's Mom saw Fran in the audience because he was still chasing after Shaheen.

In the meantime, Joe Jones who was an assistant coach at Hofstra had established a close relationship with the family. When the family realized that Fran was not being upfront with them, Speedy confirmed his commitment to Hofstra. In hindsight, Speedy should have been Fran's priority.

As always, appreciate the insight Panther. While I'm wasn't  privy to the details of the Speedy situation till just now, I only used that situation to highlight my original point; which is that our fanbase would have very little problem if the Sanders situation were reversed. 

 

[room112]

I'm sorry but you've got to be an extremely sleazy recruiter and garbage human being to steal a recruit from a team within your conference. 

So then, when is it ok to steal a recruit from another team? Because, I'm guessing, if we stole a recruit from Iona, Hofstra, etc it would be ok. What about if we stole a recruit from UCONN? No good? 

Two things. First, yes I would have a problem because I have morals and ethics. But it also depends on the circumstances of how the recruit was "Stolen". I don't want kids coming here because of sleazy tactics by our coach. Quite frankly that would probably make me lose interest in the team.

Second, Willard is the one who has to face Mike Anderson eventually. Typically, the coaches in this conference since the realignment have been very cordial and friendly with each other whenever they are assembled or after games. The Big East feels like a brotherhood as it attempts to stand up to the power conferences. This feels like it crosses the line.

You can disagree but those are my personal feelings.

 

[MakingPlays]

I'm sorry but you've got to be an extremely sleazy recruiter and garbage human being to steal a recruit from a team within your conference. 

So then, when is it ok to steal a recruit from another team? Because, I'm guessing, if we stole a recruit from Iona, Hofstra, etc it would be ok. What about if we stole a recruit from UCONN? No good? 

Two things. First, yes I would have a problem because I have morals and ethics. But it also depends on the circumstances of how the recruit was "Stolen". I don't want kids coming here because of sleazy tactics by our coach. Quite frankly that would probably make me lose interest in the team.

Second, Willard is the one who has to face Mike Anderson eventually. Typically, the coaches in this conference since the realignment have been very cordial and friendly with each other whenever they are assembled or after games. The Big East feels like a brotherhood as it attempts to stand up to the power conferences. This feels like it crosses the line.

You can disagree but those are my personal feelings.

Agree with this 100%.   That's why I always root for CMA.  He's not going to take any shortcuts or do anything that's shady or unethical.  It's hard to find coaches like that nowadays in college basketball that share those standards and also win.  Honestly, him getting hired by Mike Cragg is probably the best thing that ever happened to his career as a head coach, both of them are high integrity guys that are easy to root for, I think Cragg has got his back and believes in him more than what he was getting at Arkansas, it was a lot of politics in his hire there.

But back to Sanders situation, I don't want to bash the kid, because just from the sounds of it, mostly adults interferring with his decision, so I wish him the best, he's a great shooter, thought he would have thrived in this system and been a guy that had a chance to be a 4 year contributor and 3 year starter.     

 

[monte]

I'm sorry but you've got to be an extremely sleazy recruiter and garbage human being to steal a recruit from a team within your conference. 

So then, when is it ok to steal a recruit from another team? Because, I'm guessing, if we stole a recruit from Iona, Hofstra, etc it would be ok. What about if we stole a recruit from UCONN? No good? 

Two things. First, yes I would have a problem because I have morals and ethics. But it also depends on the circumstances of how the recruit was "Stolen". I don't want kids coming here because of sleazy tactics by our coach. Quite frankly that would probably make me lose interest in the team.

Second, Willard is the one who has to face Mike Anderson eventually. Typically, the coaches in this conference since the realignment have been very cordial and friendly with each other whenever they are assembled or after games. The Big East feels like a brotherhood as it attempts to stand up to the power conferences. This feels like it crosses the line.

You can disagree but those are my personal feelings.

Respect your position 112 and agree with much of what you're saying, especially with regard to the specific circumstances. But we don't know the specific circumstances here. Clearly Sanders was not fully committed to us, that's a fact. How and when Willard knew that is a whole other story. But as long as Sanders was still on the fence, even if he gave us a verbal, he was fair game IMO.  It may not be ethical, but it is legal. And recruiting has never been known to be a particularly ethical business. 

 

[MCNPA]

I'm sorry but you've got to be an extremely sleazy recruiter and garbage human being to steal a recruit from a team within your conference. 

So then, when is it ok to steal a recruit from another team? Because, I'm guessing, if we stole a recruit from Iona, Hofstra, etc it would be ok. What about if we stole a recruit from UCONN? No good? 

Two things. First, yes I would have a problem because I have morals and ethics. But it also depends on the circumstances of how the recruit was "Stolen". I don't want kids coming here because of sleazy tactics by our coach. Quite frankly that would probably make me lose interest in the team.

Second, Willard is the one who has to face Mike Anderson eventually. Typically, the coaches in this conference since the realignment have been very cordial and friendly with each other whenever they are assembled or after games. The Big East feels like a brotherhood as it attempts to stand up to the power conferences. This feels like it crosses the line.

You can disagree but those are my personal feelings.

Respect your position 112 and agree with much of what you're saying, especially with regard to the specific circumstances. But we don't know the specific circumstances here. Clearly Sanders was not fully committed to us, that's a fact. How and when Willard knew that is a whole other story. But as long as Sanders was still on the fence, even if he gave us a verbal, he was fair game IMO.  It may not be ethical, but it is legal. And recruiting has never been known to be a particularly ethical business. 

Sanders wasn’t on the fence.  He wanted to go to SJU.   Leave it at that.   Time to move on.

 

[monte]

I'm sorry but you've got to be an extremely sleazy recruiter and garbage human being to steal a recruit from a team within your conference. 

So then, when is it ok to steal a recruit from another team? Because, I'm guessing, if we stole a recruit from Iona, Hofstra, etc it would be ok. What about if we stole a recruit from UCONN? No good? 

Two things. First, yes I would have a problem because I have morals and ethics. But it also depends on the circumstances of how the recruit was "Stolen". I don't want kids coming here because of sleazy tactics by our coach. Quite frankly that would probably make me lose interest in the team.

Second, Willard is the one who has to face Mike Anderson eventually. Typically, the coaches in this conference since the realignment have been very cordial and friendly with each other whenever they are assembled or after games. The Big East feels like a brotherhood as it attempts to stand up to the power conferences. This feels like it crosses the line.

You can disagree but those are my personal feelings.

Respect your position 112 and agree with much of what you're saying, especially with regard to the specific circumstances. But we don't know the specific circumstances here. Clearly Sanders was not fully committed to us, that's a fact. How and when Willard knew that is a whole other story. But as long as Sanders was still on the fence, even if he gave us a verbal, he was fair game IMO.  It may not be ethical, but it is legal. And recruiting has never been known to be a particularly ethical business. 

Sanders wasn’t on the fence.  He wanted to go to SJU.   Leave it at that.   Time to move on.

When this thread gets to the point that it's run it's course, I'm sure a mod  will lock it. Till then, how about you mind you're own F'in business and don't comment on any my posts??

 

[MCNPA]

I'm sorry but you've got to be an extremely sleazy recruiter and garbage human being to steal a recruit from a team within your conference. 

So then, when is it ok to steal a recruit from another team? Because, I'm guessing, if we stole a recruit from Iona, Hofstra, etc it would be ok. What about if we stole a recruit from UCONN? No good? 

Two things. First, yes I would have a problem because I have morals and ethics. But it also depends on the circumstances of how the recruit was "Stolen". I don't want kids coming here because of sleazy tactics by our coach. Quite frankly that would probably make me lose interest in the team.

Second, Willard is the one who has to face Mike Anderson eventually. Typically, the coaches in this conference since the realignment have been very cordial and friendly with each other whenever they are assembled or after games. The Big East feels like a brotherhood as it attempts to stand up to the power conferences. This feels like it crosses the line.

You can disagree but those are my personal feelings.

Respect your position 112 and agree with much of what you're saying, especially with regard to the specific circumstances. But we don't know the specific circumstances here. Clearly Sanders was not fully committed to us, that's a fact. How and when Willard knew that is a whole other story. But as long as Sanders was still on the fence, even if he gave us a verbal, he was fair game IMO.  It may not be ethical, but it is legal. And recruiting has never been known to be a particularly ethical business. 

Sanders wasn’t on the fence.  He wanted to go to SJU.   Leave it at that.   Time to move on.

When this thread gets to the point that it's run it's course, I'm sure a mod  will lock it. Till then, how about you mind you're own F'in business and don't comment on any my posts??

Lol, I was saying it’s time to move on from the kid.  And btw, just commenting on how you’re wrong that nobody knows what happened etc.  P.S. I’ll comment on whatever I want.  No need to be a dick.