I understand what goes on on message boards. I just don't understand the prediction that a kid has no shot at the NBA based on one bad half in the first exhibition game of the year. If it was the case that Rysheed had limited talent, I can understand such a prediction. But to write him off because of some ill advised drives and turnovers in a meaningless game is a bit of a reach.
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I understand what goes on on message boards. I just don't understand the prediction that a kid has no shot at the NBA based on one bad half in the first exhibition game of the year. If it was the case that Rysheed had limited talent, I can understand such a prediction. But to write him off because of some ill advised drives and turnovers in a meaningless game is a bit of a reach.
Moose
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Let me break this down for you-
He has no shot at the NBA next year. That is the point. And he keeps telling the world he is going to be in the NBA next year running PG for the Knicks and the Heat and blah blah blah.
I'd love to see him stick around 3 even 4 years and then yes I bet he can be an NBA player. I understand kids and their families have needs. But if this kid has his eye on the personal prize then he's in for a rude awakening. Look at Christon from Xavier. A better player than Jordan and he was a very late 2nd rd pick who is D-League. He needs to buy into the team concept.
Why is the game meaningless by the way? Because the game is an exhibition we should write it off? What if it was the first regular season game against whoever we are playing and he coasted as well? Others are anointing Chris the next coming against the same team that Gift scored 24 against.
As I said more I see him more I'm not seeing a PG. I loved him playing off the ball in the 2nd half and look what happened. He played a helluva lot better. This isn't based on one game. He's not a freshman. I didn't watch my first SJU game on Saturday. He can make passes sure. But as Doc pointed out that isn't a PG. He has a sloppy high handle, poor decisions in where he goes and too many of these other PG's are quicker than him. I'd like to see Jamal, Dee and him together. That could be a lot of fun.
I'd agree but literally everybody (myself included) said the same exact thing about Karr last year. There were players better than Karr at the forward position that aren't on an nba squad right now.
If rysheed has a great year this year (which believe it or not is possible even though he had a bad exhibition! I know that's a tough concept for some but please stand by) and gets himself into a good situation like Karr did, I think he can make the team. Hell, Sanchez made the preseason squad for the Knicks, what if sheed does? They need a PG, he could sneak on that team no doubt in my mind.
If rysheed has a great year this year (which believe it or not is possible even though he had a bad exhibition! I know that's a tough concept for some but please stand by) and gets himself into a good situation like Karr did, I think he can make the team. Hell, Sanchez made the preseason squad for the Knicks, what if sheed does? They need a PG, he could sneak on that team no doubt in my mind.
And Sanchez is now raking in $30k/yr in the D league. But Sanchez, unlike Jordan, also has a degree to fall back on. Sampson was a surprise. I still think the fact that his mentor, Lebron James, is close friends with the 76ers assistant coach played a factor, maybe a major one.
Wow are you serious? Stupid conspiracy you made up in your head or is there an article or evidence to back that up? LeBron isn't even his mentor
I would suggest, Jack, that before taking cheap shots at other posters, you take a second to ask yourself if you even know what you're talking about. Sampson has mentioned his relationship with Lebron on numerous occasions. Even a cursory search of the web on your behalf would have revealed articles like this one in the NY Post about their relationship.
http://nypost.com/2012/11/01/st-johns-recruit-sampson-has-been-tutored-by-lebron/
I meant Lebron being his coach on getting onto an nba team. Lebron had nothing to do with Karrs journey to the sixers. But thanks for the article from 2012.
Calling your conspiracy stupid wasn't a cheap shot, rather shooting down yet another post that tries to take away from Jakarrs major accomplishment.
Have a good day
jumbo_peanuts
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While there is no doubt that Lebron and Karr were/are close, I don't think that the 76ers were all that influenced by Lebron. At the end of the day, its all about winning, and too many people's jobs depend on how much you win. With such limited roster spots available, teams can't afford to keep players that they don't feel can help them win. And what would the 76ers response be when asked why they decided to keep Karr..."Well Sampson is an OK player, but Lebron asked us to give him a shot, so we figured we'd keep him around for a little bit." ?
I'm not saying they based their entire decision on that, but I am saying it could have been a factor. All other things being equal between two candidates for a job, the one with a killer reference can be the one who gets picked. I don't see what is so far fetched about that. Especially when your killer reference is close friends with the assistant coach of the team you're trying to get onto.
As to Jack's comment above: I have been one of Sampson's biggest fans on this board and was upset when he decided to leave. He is scary talented and I never bought into the "addition by subtraction" theme. I'm thrilled that he's getting a shot. Doesn't mean I can't think he might have gotten an extra push.
I have no idea if Lebron helped Sampson get on the Sixers but clearly he is a mentor to Sampson. I am pretty sure the twelfth man on the team as bad as the Sixers is a pretty insignificant role. Sampson does have some talent which could have been intriguing to the Sixers and it is possible that Lebron's people called in a favor. Regardless it is not a slight to Jakarr. I am rooting for him to score a point in the league.
beast of the east
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To me, the money is irrelevant, but the attitude towards it is. A few years ago I had an employee and we were travelling together - it's a great opportunity to learn about people. He's a really bright guy, and I learned he was also all state in track AND baseball in Iowa, where the Cubs had an affiliate. He loves baseball and was an outfielder . I asked him if he had the chance to be the starting centerfielder for the Cubs in Wrigley field, for one season for $50,000, would he do it? He said, "No, probably not for $50K". I knew then and there I didn't want him working for me.
I love people with passion and desire and willing to sacrifice to reach their dreams. Money Is only part of it. So if Sanchez is willing to chase a dream for $30 K, good luck to him. A good buddy of mine, an SJU grad is related to Jason Grilli of the Angels. I followed for several seasons his struggle to get back to the bigs, which he did for almost no salary at all. Now it looks like a pretty successful effort.
Sampson is in the NBA. No ifs, no timelines, no whatever. Whatever happens, he can say he played in the 2014 NBA reached a childhood goal, and now is busting it to try to make it a long career. Good luck to him. Period.
beast of the east
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Respectfully, the thread focused on Rysheed's career aspirations, which are front and center on any discussion about Jordan going forward. It's not irrelevant to discuss very recent SJU grads and their struggles to make the pros. If we are going to be this restrictive in threads, than the good intentions of moderators like yourself are going to make the both as unreadable and un-enjoyable as if Joe3 were allowed back to wreck a thread.
Agree with you on Sanchez. My point is that Sanchez has a degree, so why wouldn't he give it a shot? Jordan, on the other hand, would be jumping in without that safety net of a degree. That's all. Sampson did too, it appears to have worked out for him. We'll see.
But unlike Sanchez or Sampson, Jordan is mouthing off nonstop about heading to the league this year. I personally think that is making him look like an immature fool. I wish someone would tell him to tone it down.
beast of the east
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Agree on all counts. Thanks for good dialogue.
woah woah take it easy
I don't want to get into the rest of this debate but I will only point out that for teh '76ers it is all about losing this year. They want one more lottery pick to screw up before they begrudgingly try to field a competitive team. No reflection on Jakarr intended just on the organization as a whole.
I think you're overlooking the fact that your employee giving up on baseball was a sacrifice.
He did something he enjoyed less so he could provide more for his family.
I look at things a little differently.
It's very easy for guys who have only known basketball to "give it a shot" and either leave school, or continue a long-shot dream to play in the nba.
Real courage would be recognizing the unlikelihood of their pursuit, and going down a different less familiar road. Going back to school, learning different skills, doing something that is out of their comfort zone.
Giving it a shot and failing is the easy road to take in many of these situations. Just my opinion anyway