Roster Turnover

[boo haarvey]

Can all the PIs on here stop with the conspiracy theories. Just about every college basketball team is going to lose 3/4 players at minimum under these transfer rules. In fact Florida might have close to 8/9 too. 

the free transfer rule plus the fact that we have Mullin (previous staff) holdovers and guys we had to reach in to fill a roster, including a couple of JC reaches (let’s not forget that Moore was a failed project at the College of Charleston) it is a perfect storm. 

I spend every post game thread that Knight produces reading complaint after complaint about each and every guy that is transferring out  and how he is no good and how the talent level needs to up graded.

Now we have a bunch of revisionist complaining about how sky is falling that we are losing these exact same players, the ones without Posh that got run off court and embarrassed by DePaul at home with everything on the line. Please

This board needs a resident psychologist after the last fortnight. It is April 2nd and 1st game of next season is more than 7 months away.

we have the reigning coach of year because he overachieved with 2 tremendous player and a bunch of 2nd level talent. (And yes even Williams is 2nd level when looking at the starting 5s other Big East teams throw out there). CMA knows what he is doing. He has a great opportunity to upgrade the roster. We are not losing Shag, Kobe, and Horry from the team this offseason.

it is starting to get real laughable reading a bunch of middle aged men whining about decisions made by 20 year old kids, 80% of which are easily replaceable in my opinion. 

Dude, this is a SJU fan board.  Every single player on the roster except for two have either entered the portal or are testing the waters.  It’s cool that you’rw so confident, but it’s certainly fair to be concerned.  We had a very nice team last year with an opportunity to build.  Most of that team is now gone.





 

 

[IDRAFT]

Find one post where I ever said I wanted anyone to transfer. I will save time for all. It doesn’t exist. There are posts in the archives from me defending Amar - and saying I didn’t want HIM to transfer. And I’m still happy he did not. 

The same folks who post that they want everyone who has a bad game to transfer are most likely the same guys who can’t wait to replace the entire roster now. So don’t put it on those of us who don’t. 

Some of us enjoy watching kids improve and grow as a team. The rules have changed and the current team has been blown up. It’s happening right now and so we are voicing our displeasure. I thought was this was a message board and the idea was to have discussions.

If you are constantly whining about what other people are posting - who’s the whiner? If you don’t agree with a point of view challenge the actual point of view. Making Plays did that with me - we discussed it as grownups - and I wouldn’t even say we ended up agreeing. But we didn’t call each other names or complain that the other person was a baby. Because we are grownups.

I thought there were rules against attacking posters here. My general rule on boards has always been discuss the post - not the poster.  I’m basically breaking it now but Im sick of all the posts calling out other posters that are not being moderated. 

It’s so whiny.



 

 

[billthetruth]

Can all the PIs on here stop with the conspiracy theories. Just about every college basketball team is going to lose 3/4 players at minimum under these transfer rules. In fact Florida might have close to 8/9 too. 

the free transfer rule plus the fact that we have Mullin (previous staff) holdovers and guys we had to reach in to fill a roster, including a couple of JC reaches (let’s not forget that Moore was a failed project at the College of Charleston) it is a perfect storm. 

I spend every post game thread that Knight produces reading complaint after complaint about each and every guy that is transferring out  and how he is no good and how the talent level needs to up graded.

Now we have a bunch of revisionist complaining about how sky is falling that we are losing these exact same players, the ones without Posh that got run off court and embarrassed by DePaul at home with everything on the line. Please

This board needs a resident psychologist after the last fortnight. It is April 2nd and 1st game of next season is more than 7 months away.

we have the reigning coach of year because he overachieved with 2 tremendous player and a bunch of 2nd level talent. (And yes even Williams is 2nd level when looking at the starting 5s other Big East teams throw out there). CMA knows what he is doing. He has a great opportunity to upgrade the roster. We are not losing Shag, Kobe, and Horry from the team this offseason.

it is starting to get real laughable reading a bunch of middle aged men whining about decisions made by 20 year old kids, 80% of which are easily replaceable in my opinion. 

Dude, this is a SJU fan board.  Every single player on the roster except for two have either entered the portal or are testing the waters.  It’s cool that you’rw so confident, but it’s certainly fair to be concerned.  We had a very nice team last year with an opportunity to build.  Most of that team is now gone.








 

April 2nd. All of this allstar group will be replaced by equally or better players.

do you think it is a coincidence that the discipline problems with Moore began right about the time  when the Texas Tech transfer arrived and started practicing with the team in Jan?

there goes a huge chunk of the 2021/2022 minutes Mr. Moore thought he was guaranteed. And if he does not want to compete for minutes. BYE BYE

 

[SJU85]

I am obviously most disappointed to lose GWill and hope we can bring in a strong shooting two guard/wing/tweener.  I know many people are very high on Wusu and I, too, thought he had a surprisingly good freshman year.  That said, if Wusu is going to play 25 or more minutes a game, he has to improve (a lot).  

He needs to quit the unecessary fouls and turnovers, learn to move his feet a little better on defense, and most of all he has to shoot much better.

Wusu
FT:  61.7%
3 PT:  28.1%

As the late Al McGuire use to say, “The best thing about freshman is they become sophomores.”

For a guy whose talent many questioned (including outside experts), he had a solid season coming of the bench and like with most freshman, we can expect some improvement with more experience, dedication and hard work.  Decision making doesn’t always improve with players but I feel his will.

 

[billthetruth]

Find one post where I ever said I wanted anyone to transfer. I will save time for all. It doesn’t exist. There are posts in the archives from me defending Amar - and saying I didn’t want HIM to transfer. And I’m still happy he did not. 

The same folks who post that they want everyone who has a bad game to transfer are most likely the same guys who can’t wait to replace the entire roster now. So don’t put it on those of us who don’t. 

Some of us enjoy watching kids improve and grow as a team. The rules have changed and the current team has been blown up. It’s happening right now and so we are voicing our displeasure. I thought was this was a message board and the idea was to have discussions.

If you are constantly whining about what other people are posting - who’s the whiner? If you don’t agree with a point of view challenge the actual point of view. Making Plays did that with me - we discussed it as grownups - and I wouldn’t even say we ended up agreeing. But we didn’t call each other names or complain that the other person was a baby. Because we are grownups.

I thought there were rules against attacking posters here. My general rule on boards has always been discuss the post - not the poster.  I’m basically breaking it now but Im sick of all the posts calling out other posters that are not being moderated. 

It’s so whiny.




 

Who is being attacked. If it is my post you are referring to I did not mention one name or call out one person. I made a broad statement about the post game thread and how many players that are transferring were  attacked in nasty ways about their play during the year. Did I say you or anybody else by name? No. I would think that if that is bothering you.. I don’t what to tell you. 

 

[redmannorth]

My expectation from day one was that this staff would bring stability/continuity to the program, and gradually increase the talent level as time went on. While some of you may excuse the mass defections as a "sign of the times", they are unequivocally extraordinary even by current college basketball standards. Those who can't see that simply don't want to see that. So as of now, there is no stability and very little continuity. That leaves increasing the talent level. How many of you guys actually think that the staff is going to go out and refill the roster with  players that are subjectively and substantially better then those who left? Because if we hope to be better next year, we are going to need substantially better players. Especially since the old players already knew the system. So far we've picked up 2 solid pieces, but no one what will move the needle very much, if at all. I think that the staff will grab a few more solid pieces, but no one that is going to be much of an upgrade over what we lost, no matter what kind of spin some of you guys put on it. So, at this point, I'll sit back and wait and  hope for the best. What choice do any of us have? 

Gréât post Monte, could not have said it any better. I think everyone expected a few transfers at seasons end but never such an Exodus, especially as Passover is coming towards the end ?. As you said we all believed CMA would bring stability to the program and it certainly appeared headed in that direction, but that hope evaporated over the last few days. 
We have discussed his recruiting strategy countless times over the last 2 years and all seemed to agree he wants good kids, student athletes, solid players who can get coached up and improve from year to year , Champ being the perfect example. He avoids the one and done, me first, questionable character , handler type kids. And the vast majority of the board seemed to accept his recruiting strategy as we saw the progress and how it worked. 
to think that CMA is now going to somehow change what has always worked for him in time to field a competitive roster for next season is a bit of a reach. Can he pick up 2-3 very good kids in the next few months, sure he can, but history has shown that he has not been a big winner with transfers and grad transfers. I like both Smith and Wheeler and they are a start but together with Wusu playing an additional 10 minutes a game  no where comes close to replacing what has left. I certainly hope coach can pick up 2-3 more players to replace or improve on what has left. Possible yes, probable, only time will tell. 

 

[monte]

My expectation from day one was that this staff would bring stability/continuity to the program, and gradually increase the talent level as time went on. While some of you may excuse the mass defections as a "sign of the times", they are unequivocally extraordinary even by current college basketball standards. Those who can't see that simply don't want to see that. So as of now, there is no stability and very little continuity. That leaves increasing the talent level. How many of you guys actually think that the staff is going to go out and refill the roster with  players that are subjectively and substantially better then those who left? Because if we hope to be better next year, we are going to need substantially better players. Especially since the old players already knew the system. So far we've picked up 2 solid pieces, but no one what will move the needle very much, if at all. I think that the staff will grab a few more solid pieces, but no one that is going to be much of an upgrade over what we lost, no matter what kind of spin some of you guys put on it. So, at this point, I'll sit back and wait and  hope for the best. What choice do any of us have? 

Gréât post Monte, could not have said it any better. I think everyone expected a few transfers at seasons end but never such an Exodus, especially as Passover is coming towards the end ?. As you said we all believed CMA would bring stability to the program and it certainly appeared headed in that direction, but that hope evaporated over the last few days. 
We have discussed his recruiting strategy countless times over the last 2 years and all seemed to agree he wants good kids, student athletes, solid players who can get coached up and improve from year to year , Champ being the perfect example. He avoids the one and done, me first, questionable character , handler type kids. And the vast majority of the board seemed to accept his recruiting strategy as we saw the progress and how it worked. 
to think that CMA is now going to somehow change what has always worked for him in time to field a competitive roster for next season is a bit of a reach. Can he pick up 2-3 very good kids in the next few months, sure he can, but history has shown that he has not been a big winner with transfers and grad transfers. I like both Smith and Wheeler and they are a start but together with Wusu playing an additional 10 minutes a game  no where comes close to replacing what has left. I certainly hope coach can pick up 2-3 more players to replace or improve on what has left. Possible yes, probable only time will tell. 

+1,000 RMN. 
 

 

[Jack Williams]

As someone who has been drinking the CMA kool aid from day one, I will say this mass exodus hurts. It hurts my excitement for the direction of the program...

One of the reasons this year was so enjoyable was because I thought (stupidly) that we’d add Pinzon and our other recruits to this core we have and be even BETTER next year. I was ready to compete for a Big East title.

and maybe we still do... I don’t know. But you have to do some pretty wild mental gymnastics to get yourself to that point. I mean let’s start here, if Julian doesn’t come back we will be in the basement. 

Obviously we have to let this play out, but what the hell happened. Mike Anderson was Rasheem Dunn’s biggest fan. He played that kid 24/7 even if he made some bad mistakes... CMA always rode with Dunn. So to chalk these departures up to playing time concerns it doesn’t really check out. If Dunn and Greg came back they would’ve played a lot of minutes. Cole started the entire year for us. 

this isn’t a playing time thing. It’s worse 

 

[MainMan]

Can all the PIs on here stop with the conspiracy theories. Just about every college basketball team is going to lose 3/4 players at minimum under these transfer rules. In fact Florida might have close to 8/9 too. 

the free transfer rule plus the fact that we have Mullin (previous staff) holdovers and guys we had to reach in to fill a roster, including a couple of JC reaches (let’s not forget that Moore was a failed project at the College of Charleston) it is a perfect storm. 

I spend every post game thread that Knight produces reading complaint after complaint about each and every guy that is transferring out  and how he is no good and how the talent level needs to up graded.

Now we have a bunch of revisionist complaining about how sky is falling that we are losing these exact same players, the ones without Posh that got run off court and embarrassed by DePaul at home with everything on the line. Please

This board needs a resident psychologist after the last fortnight. It is April 2nd and 1st game of next season is more than 7 months away.

we have the reigning coach of year because he overachieved with 2 tremendous player and a bunch of 2nd level talent. (And yes even Williams is 2nd level when looking at the starting 5s other Big East teams throw out there). CMA knows what he is doing. He has a great opportunity to upgrade the roster. We are not losing Shag, Kobe, and Horry from the team this offseason.

it is starting to get real laughable reading a bunch of middle aged men whining about decisions made by 20 year old kids, 80% of which are easily replaceable in my opinion. 




 

We now have 2 players coming back from a team that was expected to vault onto the national stage next year primarily due to our experience and depth.
Both of those are now gone.
We are now praying that our best player in years comes back to a team he hardly recognizes. 
But sure, apologies on behalf of myself and others would do not share your unwavering optimism.

 

[billthetruth]

My expectation from day one was that this staff would bring stability/continuity to the program, and gradually increase the talent level as time went on. While some of you may excuse the mass defections as a "sign of the times", they are unequivocally extraordinary even by current college basketball standards. Those who can't see that simply don't want to see that. So as of now, there is no stability and very little continuity. That leaves increasing the talent level. How many of you guys actually think that the staff is going to go out and refill the roster with  players that are subjectively and substantially better then those who left? Because if we hope to be better next year, we are going to need substantially better players. Especially since the old players already knew the system. So far we've picked up 2 solid pieces, but no one what will move the needle very much, if at all. I think that the staff will grab a few more solid pieces, but no one that is going to be much of an upgrade over what we lost, no matter what kind of spin some of you guys put on it. So, at this point, I'll sit back and wait and  hope for the best. What choice do any of us have? 

Gréât post Monte, could not have said it any better. I think everyone expected a few transfers at seasons end but never such an Exodus, especially as Passover is coming towards the end ?. As you said we all believed CMA would bring stability to the program and it certainly appeared headed in that direction, but that hope evaporated over the last few days. 
We have discussed his recruiting strategy countless times over the last 2 years and all seemed to agree he wants good kids, student athletes, solid players who can get coached up and improve from year to year , Champ being the perfect example. He avoids the one and done, me first, questionable character , handler type kids. And the vast majority of the board seemed to accept his recruiting strategy as we saw the progress and how it worked. 
to think that CMA is now going to somehow change what has always worked for him in time to field a competitive roster for next season is a bit of a reach. Can he pick up 2-3 very good kids in the next few months, sure he can, but history has shown that he has not been a big winner with transfers and grad transfers. I like both Smith and Wheeler and they are a start but together with Wusu playing an additional 10 minutes a game  no where comes close to replacing what has left. I certainly hope coach can pick up 2-3 more players to replace or improve on what has left. Possible yes, probable only time will tell. 

Fair assessment but I will also say the stability stuff is not an issue. Every program is losing 4/5 players at minimum. The only difference is the transfers that would have happened at the elite programs are not noticeable because they are losing multiple guys to the draft not the transfer wire.

my whole point is that this is systemic issue in college basketball not a St. John’s issue.

Duke is losing just as many guys as us this year. Just half of their guys are going to the draft and ours are going to the HighPoints of the world. 
 

 

[Jack Williams]

My expectation from day one was that this staff would bring stability/continuity to the program, and gradually increase the talent level as time went on. While some of you may excuse the mass defections as a "sign of the times", they are unequivocally extraordinary even by current college basketball standards. Those who can't see that simply don't want to see that. So as of now, there is no stability and very little continuity. That leaves increasing the talent level. How many of you guys actually think that the staff is going to go out and refill the roster with  players that are subjectively and substantially better then those who left? Because if we hope to be better next year, we are going to need substantially better players. Especially since the old players already knew the system. So far we've picked up 2 solid pieces, but no one what will move the needle very much, if at all. I think that the staff will grab a few more solid pieces, but no one that is going to be much of an upgrade over what we lost, no matter what kind of spin some of you guys put on it. So, at this point, I'll sit back and wait and  hope for the best. What choice do any of us have? 

Gréât post Monte, could not have said it any better. I think everyone expected a few transfers at seasons end but never such an Exodus, especially as Passover is coming towards the end ?. As you said we all believed CMA would bring stability to the program and it certainly appeared headed in that direction, but that hope evaporated over the last few days. 
We have discussed his recruiting strategy countless times over the last 2 years and all seemed to agree he wants good kids, student athletes, solid players who can get coached up and improve from year to year , Champ being the perfect example. He avoids the one and done, me first, questionable character , handler type kids. And the vast majority of the board seemed to accept his recruiting strategy as we saw the progress and how it worked. 
to think that CMA is now going to somehow change what has always worked for him in time to field a competitive roster for next season is a bit of a reach. Can he pick up 2-3 very good kids in the next few months, sure he can, but history has shown that he has not been a big winner with transfers and grad transfers. I like both Smith and Wheeler and they are a start but together with Wusu playing an additional 10 minutes a game  no where comes close to replacing what has left. I certainly hope coach can pick up 2-3 more players to replace or improve on what has left. Possible yes, probable only time will tell. 

Fair assessment but I will also say the stability stuff is not an issue. Every program is losing 4/5 players at minimum. The only difference is the transfers that would have happened at the elite programs are not noticeable because they are losing multiple guys to the draft not the transfer wire.

my whole point is that this is systemic issue in college basketball not a St. John’s issue.

Duke is losing just as many guys as us this year. Just half of their guys are going to the draft and ours are going to the HighPoints of the world. 

 

McGriff 
Caraher 
Cole 
Moore 
Dunn
Earl 
Greg 
Champ (maybe) 

I don’t think THIS is happening to everybody. Sure there’s a lot of movement going on but potentially 8 departures is a lot

 

[NCJohnnie]

Also will be very surprised if guys like Williams, Earlington & Moore wind up at the High Points of the world but we will see. 

 

[Jack Williams]

Also will be very surprised if guys like Williams, Earlington & Moore wind up at the High Points of the world but we will see. 

I believe Moore is down to Florida and Cincinnati so yea you’re not wrong 

 

[billthetruth]

Can all the PIs on here stop with the conspiracy theories. Just about every college basketball team is going to lose 3/4 players at minimum under these transfer rules. In fact Florida might have close to 8/9 too. 

the free transfer rule plus the fact that we have Mullin (previous staff) holdovers and guys we had to reach in to fill a roster, including a couple of JC reaches (let’s not forget that Moore was a failed project at the College of Charleston) it is a perfect storm. 

I spend every post game thread that Knight produces reading complaint after complaint about each and every guy that is transferring out  and how he is no good and how the talent level needs to up graded.

Now we have a bunch of revisionist complaining about how sky is falling that we are losing these exact same players, the ones without Posh that got run off court and embarrassed by DePaul at home with everything on the line. Please

This board needs a resident psychologist after the last fortnight. It is April 2nd and 1st game of next season is more than 7 months away.

we have the reigning coach of year because he overachieved with 2 tremendous player and a bunch of 2nd level talent. (And yes even Williams is 2nd level when looking at the starting 5s other Big East teams throw out there). CMA knows what he is doing. He has a great opportunity to upgrade the roster. We are not losing Shag, Kobe, and Horry from the team this offseason.

it is starting to get real laughable reading a bunch of middle aged men whining about decisions made by 20 year old kids, 80% of which are easily replaceable in my opinion. 






 

We now have 2 players coming back from a team that was expected to vault onto the national stage next year primarily due to our experience and depth.
Both of those are now gone.
We are now praying that our best player in years comes back to a team he hardly recognizes. 
But sure, apologies on behalf of myself and others would do not share your unwavering optimism.

fair points. Nice thing is we all will know what the final outcome is next February. Long ways off. I’m betting on our coach’s ability. Blind optimism maybe but it will be fun or maybe not fun to see who is right. 

and if you guys are right then the coach will have questions to answer. But coming off a coach of year and 19 consecutive winning season. I am still confident I will be proven right. We shall see..

Happy and safe holiday to all. I’m checking out here for the next month. See you all
in May.

 

[MainMan]

I don't care that it's happening to everyone (it's not, not to this extent but whatevs).
I don't even care about the reasons behind it.
I just care that it happened. 
And a potentially great team has more question marks than players.

 

[Jack Williams]

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St John’s Basketball circa April 2021 

 

[monte]

Also will be very surprised if guys like Williams, Earlington & Moore wind up at the High Points of the world but we will see. 

I believe Moore is down to Florida and Cincinnati so yea you’re not wrong 

Additionally CMA recruits a lot of kids who are being targeted by the Highpoints of the world. So loosing some of them, especially role players, to mid majors doesn't mean they aren't big losses. , If he replaces those kids with kids being looked at by the Dukes of the world, that I can live with. But so far he has not and I am extremely skeptical that he will. 
 

 

[redmannorth]

Can all the PIs on here stop with the conspiracy theories. Just about every college basketball team is going to lose 3/4 players at minimum under these transfer rules. In fact Florida might have close to 8/9 too. 

the free transfer rule plus the fact that we have Mullin (previous staff) holdovers and guys we had to reach in to fill a roster, including a couple of JC reaches (let’s not forget that Moore was a failed project at the College of Charleston) it is a perfect storm. 

I spend every post game thread that Knight produces reading complaint after complaint about each and every guy that is transferring out  and how he is no good and how the talent level needs to up graded.

Now we have a bunch of revisionist complaining about how sky is falling that we are losing these exact same players, the ones without Posh that got run off court and embarrassed by DePaul at home with everything on the line. Please

This board needs a resident psychologist after the last fortnight. It is April 2nd and 1st game of next season is more than 7 months away.

we have the reigning coach of year because he overachieved with 2 tremendous player and a bunch of 2nd level talent. (And yes even Williams is 2nd level when looking at the starting 5s other Big East teams throw out there). CMA knows what he is doing. He has a great opportunity to upgrade the roster. We are not losing Shag, Kobe, and Horry from the team this offseason.

it is starting to get real laughable reading a bunch of middle aged men whining about decisions made by 20 year old kids, 80% of which are easily replaceable in my opinion. 







 

We now have 2 players coming back from a team that was expected to vault onto the national stage next year primarily due to our experience and depth.
Both of those are now gone.
We are now praying that our best player in years comes back to a team he hardly recognizes. 
But sure, apologies on behalf of myself and others would do not share your unwavering optimism.

fair points. Nice thing is we all will know what the final outcome is next February. Long ways off. I’m betting on our coach’s ability. Blind optimism maybe but it will be fun or maybe not fun to see who is right. 

and if you guys are right then the coach will have questions to answer. But coming off a coach of year and 19 consecutive winning season. I am still confident I will be proven right. We shall see..

Happy and safe holiday to all. I’m checking out here for the next month. See you all
in May.

Dear Bill if you prove to be correct , which I pray you are, please do not hesitate to come back earlier as I for one will be delighted to eat crow and publicly acknowledge it. And knowing a few of the posters who are expressing their concern  and disappointed I am sure they will feel the same way. 
have a great month Bill. 

 

[mm52]

 McGriff 
Caraher 
Cole 
Moore 
Dunn
Earl 
Greg 
Champ (maybe) 

I don’t think THIS is happening to everybody. Sure there’s a lot of movement going on but potentially 8 departures is a lot

Let's be realistic about this.  No one expected Dunn to come back, as he was a senior.  Caraher graduated already and he was not going to get any meaningful minutes going forward.  Roberts, who is omitted from this list, probably needs a fresh start if his body heals.  Cole and Moore--I don't know, but Cole did not live up to expectations--at least mine--to be a big time scorer who could give us some of what we missed without LJ.  The ones I am surprised about are GW and Earlington; but it seems like Earl is looking for more minutes, so I can understand that.

Overall, these departures should not raise any red flags at all.

 

[monte]

Can all the PIs on here stop with the conspiracy theories. Just about every college basketball team is going to lose 3/4 players at minimum under these transfer rules. In fact Florida might have close to 8/9 too. 

the free transfer rule plus the fact that we have Mullin (previous staff) holdovers and guys we had to reach in to fill a roster, including a couple of JC reaches (let’s not forget that Moore was a failed project at the College of Charleston) it is a perfect storm. 

I spend every post game thread that Knight produces reading complaint after complaint about each and every guy that is transferring out  and how he is no good and how the talent level needs to up graded.

Now we have a bunch of revisionist complaining about how sky is falling that we are losing these exact same players, the ones without Posh that got run off court and embarrassed by DePaul at home with everything on the line. Please

This board needs a resident psychologist after the last fortnight. It is April 2nd and 1st game of next season is more than 7 months away.

we have the reigning coach of year because he overachieved with 2 tremendous player and a bunch of 2nd level talent. (And yes even Williams is 2nd level when looking at the starting 5s other Big East teams throw out there). CMA knows what he is doing. He has a great opportunity to upgrade the roster. We are not losing Shag, Kobe, and Horry from the team this offseason.

it is starting to get real laughable reading a bunch of middle aged men whining about decisions made by 20 year old kids, 80% of which are easily replaceable in my opinion. 








 

We now have 2 players coming back from a team that was expected to vault onto the national stage next year primarily due to our experience and depth.
Both of those are now gone.
We are now praying that our best player in years comes back to a team he hardly recognizes. 
But sure, apologies on behalf of myself and others would do not share your unwavering optimism.

fair points. Nice thing is we all will know what the final outcome is next February. Long ways off. I’m betting on our coach’s ability. Blind optimism maybe but it will be fun or maybe not fun to see who is right. 

and if you guys are right then the coach will have questions to answer. But coming off a coach of year and 19 consecutive winning season. I am still confident I will be proven right. We shall see..

Happy and safe holiday to all. I’m checking out here for the next month. See you all
in May.

Dear Bill if you prove to be correct , which I pray you are, please do not hesitate to come back earlier as I for one will be delighted to eat crow and publicly acknowledge it. And knowing a few of the posters who are expressing their concern  and disappointed I am sure they will feel the same way. 
have a great month Bill. 

RMN you  need not worry, he'll rear his head again if he's correct. Guys like that love to say "I told you so!!" Of course we'll  never hear from him again if he's not. That's how guys like that roll.