Roster Turnover

[matt105]

Any chance Marcellus could end up at Iona .          Uneeda biscuit Iona college . 

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

Not to rehash but , if a true accounting of Roster turnover is to be tallied , you have to include Figgy too !  Can you imagine the tone of this Board if Mullin was still the Coach ?  

 

[Jack Williams]

Not to rehash but , if a true accounting of Roster turnover is to be tallied , you have to include Figgy too !  Can you imagine the tone of this Board if Mullin was still the Coach ?  

The tone would be much different because if mullin was coach we would’ve won 9 games last year 

 

[monte]

Losing Williams and Earlington is more than just Playing time . No matter how else it’s spun . 

Maybe the fan base's attachment to those players is stronger than the staff's was?

Unless they were problems, and there was nothing to indicate either was, why wouldn't the staff have a strong attachment to them? Both were solid contributors and both would have provided much needed senior leadership and continuity. 


 

I think it's pretty much a statement of fact that the staff was just not as attached to GW3 and Marcellus as the fan base. The players obviously wanted to be a featured part of the offense (and in Marcellus case to have a different role), and the staff was clearly willing to let them depart rather than promise them a new or improved role.

Clearly the staff feels that they can fill those spots and keep moving forward. We shall see if that turns out to be right or wrong. At this moment I think their roster is in the neighborhood of being as good as last year's and they have multiple scholarships left to use.

I suppose it depends on whether or not you think Anderson knows what he's doing. I'm betting on the guy with 400 wins and what I've seen so far. But it's just a bet, and you don't win all of those, right Monte?

Do I think that CMA knows what he's doing?  Of course. Am I sure that he can adjust and be successful in this new era of college ball? No I am not. I am on the fence about that.     What happened with Earl, GWill, etc is going to continue to happen. Part of being a coach or any kind of manager of people, is brining on people that buy in to your vision, and keeping most/all happy in their roles. That clearly didn't happen with most of the kids on this past season's roster, even if this is a perfect storm of sorts. 
 

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

Not to rehash but , if a true accounting of Roster turnover is to be tallied , you have to include Figgy too !  Can you imagine the tone of this Board if Mullin was still the Coach ?  

The tone would be much different because if mullin was coach we would’ve won 9 games last year      Think so ! Maybe .  But , he did get us to the NCAA  . 10 roster turnovers in 2 years is what it is .. just trying to be fair .. Florida is losing almost as many players as we are to date . Including Scottie Lewis . 

 

[monte]

Not to rehash but , if a true accounting of Roster turnover is to be tallied , you have to include Figgy too !  Can you imagine the tone of this Board if Mullin was still the Coach ?  

Oh no no no no!!! CMA only gets credit for the kids he brings in. When he looses a kid that is everyone else's fault. IE the kid, the parents, the handlers, the me generation, the culture, the new rules, etc etc etc. 

 

 

[MCNPA]

I think it's pretty much a statement of fact that the staff was just not as attached to GW3 and Marcellus as the fan base. The players obviously wanted to be a featured part of the offense (and in Marcellus case to have a different role), and the staff was clearly willing to let them depart rather than promise them a new or improved role.

“Clearly the staff feels that they can fill those spots and keep moving forward. We shall see if that turns out to be right or wrong. At this moment I think their roster is in the neighborhood of being as good as last year's and they have multiple scholarships left to use.

I suppose it depends on whether or not you think Anderson knows what he's doing. I'm betting on the guy with 400 wins and what I've seen so far.”

Agre totally here.  We aren’t far off and are still adding pieces. I’m not awfully upset about who we lost.  It’s the sheer number that causes a problem, but only if we don’t replace them with capable players.  Stef Smith and Aaron Wheeler are capable players and probably add as much or more than some exiting.  Let’s see who else we land as it’s early but the first two are very good so far.  People are likely to be surprised as I think we will be ready to go when all is said and done. 

 

[Money]

Not to rehash but , if a true accounting of Roster turnover is to be tallied , you have to include Figgy too !  Can you imagine the tone of this Board if Mullin was still the Coach ?  

Not to rehash, but can you imagine having to track Mullin down in California to get his reaction?

 

[mjmaherjr]

Not to rehash but , if a true accounting of Roster turnover is to be tallied , you have to include Figgy too !  Can you imagine the tone of this Board if Mullin was still the Coach ?  

The tone would be much different because if mullin was coach we would’ve won 9 games last year 

To be fair in this covid time he might have thrived. With Zoom he's be less likely toss a recruiting visit on campus or at the kids house as long as Matt or Greg sent him the zoom link to his AOL account

 

[RodinCA]

As someone who has been drinking the CMA kool aid from day one, I will say this mass exodus hurts. It hurts my excitement for the direction of the program...

One of the reasons this year was so enjoyable was because I thought (stupidly) that we’d add Pinzon and our other recruits to this core we have and be even BETTER next year. I was ready to compete for a Big East title.

and maybe we still do... I don’t know. But you have to do some pretty wild mental gymnastics to get yourself to that point. I mean let’s start here, if Julian doesn’t come back we will be in the basement. 

Obviously we have to let this play out, but what the hell happened. Mike Anderson was Rasheem Dunn’s biggest fan. He played that kid 24/7 even if he made some bad mistakes... CMA always rode with Dunn. So to chalk these departures up to playing time concerns it doesn’t really check out. If Dunn and Greg came back they would’ve played a lot of minutes. Cole started the entire year for us. 

this isn’t a playing time thing. It’s worse 

I am not buying the conspiracy theory here, personally.  I just think it is the sign of the times.  When you are young, the grass always looks greener elsewhere.  And now they have the opportunity to transfer with no sit out year.  A lot of kids see it as a free pass.  Why not take the opportunity to find a better fit.  I am not sure players like GWill and the Duke will find better situations.  Wondering who is in there ear speaking such things.  If both guys had stayed, they were looking at finishing in the top of half of the division playing for a great coach and a fun run and gun system.  Not sure why they would think they could do better than that.  But, I am not a 20 year old kid with the talent to play at the D1 level.  The mentality is very different today.  Sadly, our culture teaches kids to put themselves first, not to be a contributor to the greater good.  This mentality does not lead to success or happiness in life.  

 

 

[RodinCA]

Not to rehash but , if a true accounting of Roster turnover is to be tallied , you have to include Figgy too !  Can you imagine the tone of this Board if Mullin was still the Coach ?  

The tone would be much different because if mullin was coach we would’ve won 9 games last year 

To be fair in this covid time he might have thrived. With Zoom he's be less likely toss a recruiting visit on campus or at the kids house as long as Matt or Greg sent him the zoom link to his AOL account


AOL account   BHAHAHAHA 
 

 

[mjmaherjr]

Not to rehash but , if a true accounting of Roster turnover is to be tallied , you have to include Figgy too !  Can you imagine the tone of this Board if Mullin was still the Coach ?  

The tone would be much different because if mullin was coach we would’ve won 9 games last year 

To be fair in this covid time he might have thrived. With Zoom he's be less likely toss a recruiting visit on campus or at the kids house as long as Matt or Greg sent him the zoom link to his AOL account


AOL account   BHAHAHAHA 

 

Was wondering if someone would catch that

 

[bamafan]

Not to rehash but , if a true accounting of Roster turnover is to be tallied , you have to include Figgy too !  Can you imagine the tone of this Board if Mullin was still the Coach ?  

The tone would be much different because if mullin was coach we would’ve won 9 games last year 

To be fair in this covid time he might have thrived. With Zoom he's be less likely toss a recruiting visit on campus or at the kids house as long as Matt or Greg sent him the zoom link to his AOL account


AOL account   BHAHAHAHA 


 

Was wondering if someone would catch that

Actually caught it which is why I gave you a TY but thinking about it further think CM's mind would have been blow when he heard the word portal.

 

[ghostzapper]

At this point, we have filled a good amount of our departing roster. Although we are certainly not done yet (adding another point guard and a guard to replace Williams if he does not return could still happen) so things are not looking as gloomy as they did after the period of mass defections a couple of weeks back. For comparative purposes, I tried to line up our departures on the same line with our most equivalent additions. Of course, this is all speculative, requires some guesswork, and is by no means an exact science.

If Champagnie stays and Williams decides to come back, then I think we are not in terrible shape. I do not have a crystal ball but it at least looks like we could have some positive or lateral trade-offs here.  That said, the blending of talent is not quantitative, it is more of a qualitative endeavor. At the end of the day, CMA and crew will have to put it all together and develop the chemistry and teamwork to get this team firing on all cylinders. Given his history of success, I am hopeful that he will pull it off.

Leaving                                                                             Coming in                     
David Caraher                                                              Drissa Traore
Marcellus Earlington                                                      Omar Stanley
Rasheem Dunn                                                             Stef Smith
Vince Cole                                                                     Rafael Pinzon
Isaih Moore                                                                    Aaron Wheeler
Josh Roberts                                                                 Eashia Nyiwe
Arnaldo Toro                                                                  Joel Soriano
Jonathan McGriff
Greg Williams?      

Returning
Posh Alexander
Dylan Wusu
Julian Champagnie?

 

[gman]

On paper it looks like an upgraded roster to me especially if we add one more veteran piece. Of course we need to temper expectations on the new guys.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Ghostzapper, tried to quote you but couldnt for whatever reason.

The things I like right away about the three newcomers:

- Soriano regardless of his actually ability at BE level (maybe it’s great) fills a need we needed to fill. And that was the case whether or not anyone left.

- Smiths greatest known quality is his shooting. I have my doubts he would be an upgrade over Greg (he might be & hopefully they play together)) but I think he’s a better fit than Dunn. I think our best bet at success is pairing Posh with quality shooters.

- Wheeler seems like a system fit. Compared to Earlington his length and athleticism seem better built for CMAs tempo and full court D. They both are perimeter forwards and up until now Earlington has been the better player on the offensive end. I would expect Wheeler to make his biggest impact on the defensive side.

 

[barbs20]

https://soundcloud.com/user-7009011...t-st-johns-offseason-talk-with-zach-braziller

If this was already posted I apologize. Its a podcast with Zach B as a guest talking about the offseason. At one point he talks about a player leaving the draft and entering the portal and realistically joining us. He didn't give any hints except that it was a big name but not Justin. Besides maybe being Alvarado I have no idea who else it could be any ideas?

 

[lawmanfan]

Ghostzapper, tried to quote you but couldnt for whatever reason.

The things I like right away about the three new comers,

- Soriano regardless of his actually ability at BE level (maybe it’s great) fills a need we needed to fill. And that was the case whether or not anyone left.

- Smiths greatest known quality is his shooting. I have my doubts he would be an upgrade over Greg (he might be & hopefully they play together)) but I think he’s a better fit than Dunn. I think our best bet at success is pairing Posh with quality shooters.

- Wheeler seems like a system fit. Compared to Earlington his length and athleticism seem better built for CMAs tempo and full court D. They both are perimeter forwards and up until now Earlington has been the better player on the offensive end. I would expect Wheeler to make his biggest impact on the defensive side.

This is 100% on target. Question is whether Nyiwe can replace Moore's offensive production, and we still need another shooter/scorer. But there's no reason to believe the staff won't get it done.

 

[MCNPA]

Ghostzapper, tried to quote you but couldnt for whatever reason.

The things I like right away about the three new comers,

- Soriano regardless of his actually ability at BE level (maybe it’s great) fills a need we needed to fill. And that was the case whether or not anyone left.

- Smiths greatest known quality is his shooting. I have my doubts he would be an upgrade over Greg (he might be & hopefully they play together)) but I think he’s a better fit than Dunn. I think our best bet at success is pairing Posh with quality shooters.

- Wheeler seems like a system fit. Compared to Earlington his length and athleticism seem better built for CMAs tempo and full court D. They both are perimeter forwards and up until now Earlington has been the better player on the offensive end. I would expect Wheeler to make his biggest impact on the defensive side.

This is 100% on target. Question is whether Nyiwe can replace Moore's offensive production, and we still need another shooter/scorer. But there's no reason to believe the staff won't get it done.

Agree on Wheeler, and I think he actually projects as a possible starter here at PF.  He’s actually a solid offensive player, if maybe took a few too many threes, but he’s an excellent defender and aggressive.  I think he’s going to offer us a lot and his experience counts too.  He will fit a lot better in cma’s system than at Purdue.  

The other beauty of it is that we don’t need to rely on just Wheeler, we have two new kids in Stanley and Traore that should add to our mix.  

I don’t care what happens, Soriano and Nywie are a massive upgrade over Josh Roberts.  Josh was a nice kid, and athletic but not super skilled on offense and wasn’t big enough to defend true post players.  We added height at the position and a very different dynamic.  While I think Nywie is a little bit more of a stretch 4, his minutes are going to have to come at center and I think he will coexist well at the 4/5 as he’s really athletic, tall and semi fly quite skilled.  

Soriano will be a problem for other teams if he is able to make the transition to the Big East and cma’s faster pace.  His back to basket ability, soft touch and ability to defend bigger post players will help ton. 

Agree we need another shooter/scorer.  We really actually need a starting shooting guard who can do it all.  Not an easy get.  I’d take Alvarado in a second and offer him the keys to the kingdom.  He’d kill it next to Posh.  If not him, it still needs to be a high caliber kid if we are gonna make some waves,  

 

[boo haarvey]

Ghostzapper, tried to quote you but couldnt for whatever reason.

The things I like right away about the three newcomers:

- Soriano regardless of his actually ability at BE level (maybe it’s great) fills a need we needed to fill. And that was the case whether or not anyone left.

- Smiths greatest known quality is his shooting. I have my doubts he would be an upgrade over Greg (he might be & hopefully they play together)) but I think he’s a better fit than Dunn. I think our best bet at success is pairing Posh with quality shooters.

- Wheeler seems like a system fit. Compared to Earlington his length and athleticism seem better built for CMAs tempo and full court D. They both are perimeter forwards and up until now Earlington has been the better player on the offensive end. I would expect Wheeler to make his biggest impact on the defensive side.

I’m hopeful Steph Smith will turn out to be an upgrade over Dunn as many on here predict.  I just think a number of you fail to appreciate Dunn’s  significant value to the team (e.g., leadership, ball handling, toughness, defense, ability to create his own shot).

I would argue that Dunn was one of our three most valuable players last year (Posh and Champ being the other two).  It’s no coincidence we struggled when he was concussed and began to surge when he was inserted into the starting lineup following G-Will’s injury.  Notably, the team had two impressive wins to close out the season despite Posh being injured.