RIP Pete Rose
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Pete Rose, MLB’s controversial all-time hits leader, dead at 83
Pete Rose, the MLB legend and all-time hits leader whose historic career was followed by a lifetime ban over a gambling controversy, has died.
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Spocky Ramone
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Also ROY 1963 and MVP 1973. Nobody got more out of their ability than Pete.
Not if he wised up
No.ome ever played harder than Pete Rose or honored the game more with his play on the field.
Of course gambling in sports by athletes or coaches violates the most sacrosanct principals of athletics. Any activities that interfere with or call fans to question whether competitions are fair play must be dealt with harshly.
Why then, weren't the cheating Astros delivered lufetime bans? Why haven't steroid cheaters been similarly be given lifetime bans?
I know some people - relatives and evrn an elderly parent of a dear friend, destroy their finances by the addiction of gambling. One took their own life. Another friend's kid has recently gambled away money intended for their wedding. Gambling is every bit as much of an addiction as drugs and alcohol.
Yet, states have willfully legalized casinos which gave even lonely grandmothers access to gambling that tgey would never have had. A friend's mom upstate died with a $40,000 credit card debt on cash advances at a locsl casino. Yet, pro sports willing allow on line gambling companies to be prominent sponsors, even using athletes and coaches in ads.
Nor sure if Rose's ban should be lifetime but I do feel there is some hypocrisy at play here.
Horse racing is a beautiful sport, no doubt. But would anyone care without gambling? Would people we celebrate here own racehorses, or stables?
Rose was a player that any kid could model him or herself after and be better for it. Intense, never giving any less than 100%, no reported homeruns being hung over from the night before.
Just a little contrition, maybe admitting his addiction, maybe a PR firm to help with what came out of his mouth. Msybe with some of that Rose would have been in the Hall. I really believe it would have meant the world to him.
Yes, human frailties can destroy even the best accomplishments. Rose's personna wouldn't permit him to be a sympathetic figure. Still and all, it's sad to me at least that he's not in the Hall.
Of course gambling in sports by athletes or coaches violates the most sacrosanct principals of athletics. Any activities that interfere with or call fans to question whether competitions are fair play must be dealt with harshly.
Why then, weren't the cheating Astros delivered lufetime bans? Why haven't steroid cheaters been similarly be given lifetime bans?
I know some people - relatives and evrn an elderly parent of a dear friend, destroy their finances by the addiction of gambling. One took their own life. Another friend's kid has recently gambled away money intended for their wedding. Gambling is every bit as much of an addiction as drugs and alcohol.
Yet, states have willfully legalized casinos which gave even lonely grandmothers access to gambling that tgey would never have had. A friend's mom upstate died with a $40,000 credit card debt on cash advances at a locsl casino. Yet, pro sports willing allow on line gambling companies to be prominent sponsors, even using athletes and coaches in ads.
Nor sure if Rose's ban should be lifetime but I do feel there is some hypocrisy at play here.
Horse racing is a beautiful sport, no doubt. But would anyone care without gambling? Would people we celebrate here own racehorses, or stables?
Rose was a player that any kid could model him or herself after and be better for it. Intense, never giving any less than 100%, no reported homeruns being hung over from the night before.
Just a little contrition, maybe admitting his addiction, maybe a PR firm to help with what came out of his mouth. Msybe with some of that Rose would have been in the Hall. I really believe it would have meant the world to him.
Yes, human frailties can destroy even the best accomplishments. Rose's personna wouldn't permit him to be a sympathetic figure. Still and all, it's sad to me at least that he's not in the Hall.
Rose is known best for his baseball play but second to that is his gambling addiction and more importantly, the associated lying about it; not just lying but using his celebrity to go on national TV shows for years and years to lie about it. For gambling on games that he managed for the Reds and lying about it even in the face of hard evidence, not anecdotal, but betting slips and bank records. Gambling is one thing, even on baseball games, but gambling on events you have direct involvement in the outcome is quite another. And the nonsense that he only bet on the Reds to win is just that, nonsense, because even if true, the decisions a lifelong addicted gambler would make to win today’s wagered on game would, IMO, be quite different than decisions you might make otherwise and would have a direct affect on the result of tomorrows unwagered game.
And many believe, including myself, that the ONLY reason he finally admitted to the gambling on baseball in general and on Reds games specifically was to increase sales for the book he published revealing “the truth”.
IMO, all of that has to be taken into account before praising Rose as a role model because he played a game very hard and very well. He never stopped gambling, never had a moment of contrition, never stopped complaining about what the life long ban from baseball HE AGREED TO AND SIGNED cost him personally.
Life is much more a judge of character than the way one played a kids game. To me Rose was not a sympathetic person at all, to me, for me, you can just leave out the “sym”.
And many believe, including myself, that the ONLY reason he finally admitted to the gambling on baseball in general and on Reds games specifically was to increase sales for the book he published revealing “the truth”.
IMO, all of that has to be taken into account before praising Rose as a role model because he played a game very hard and very well. He never stopped gambling, never had a moment of contrition, never stopped complaining about what the life long ban from baseball HE AGREED TO AND SIGNED cost him personally.
Life is much more a judge of character than the way one played a kids game. To me Rose was not a sympathetic person at all, to me, for me, you can just leave out the “sym”.
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"Rose he knows he's such a credit to the game" - Zanzibar. Billy Joel
"Petey Rose.. Charlie Hustle.. Bezball been bery bery good to Petey Rose." - Garrett Morris SNL as Chico Escuela
To become an outcast worse for Rose than any sentence.
"Petey Rose.. Charlie Hustle.. Bezball been bery bery good to Petey Rose." - Garrett Morris SNL as Chico Escuela
To become an outcast worse for Rose than any sentence.
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Who gets their values from Billy Joel and Garrett Morris? Rose made his bed and then tried to lie his way out of any responsibility. Signed a document agreeing to be banned from baseball offering the chance of reinstatement and spent the rest of his life on a PR tour crying that he was screwed. Like most addicts he was a large part con man.
I love sports, have my whole life but I’ll be damned before I defend any human being simply because they were good at a game. He got absolutely what he earned.
Anthony Mattia
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If he is it just shows the hypocrisy that is the MLB Hall of Fame. You won't enshrine him and give him the honor his on foeld play drserved while he's alive, but you will do it after he is dead so you can make money off of his likeness, records, etc. Morally speaking, just as bad (if not worse), than gambling.
He had a lifetime ban. He’s no longer alive.
Anthony Mattia
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It didn't say whose lifetime
Just by looking at this thread you can see how many emotions get stirred up just talking about this guy.
I know one thing, it’s hard (like it or not, agree or not) it’s hard to talk about the history of baseball without mentioning his name. Sort of the same with Bonds and Sosa I guess.
By the way, Seaver struck out Rose in 1983 return to Mets. Rose was the lead off hitter for the Fillies. I was at this game with my father. Pete Rose was a villain which made the K even more special.
I know one thing, it’s hard (like it or not, agree or not) it’s hard to talk about the history of baseball without mentioning his name. Sort of the same with Bonds and Sosa I guess.
By the way, Seaver struck out Rose in 1983 return to Mets. Rose was the lead off hitter for the Fillies. I was at this game with my father. Pete Rose was a villain which made the K even more special.