RIP Kobe Bryant
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Mullins Revenge
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It sounds like he was flying low to stay under the fog. He was flying visually and not using instruments. Visibility got bad real quick and before he knew it, the ground was right on him. He pulled up as fast as he could but the mountains came up faster then the chopper and he slammed right into them.
Horrifying to think of.
Horrifying to think of.
JohnnyFever
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I can't believe how many media outlets are bringing up Kobe's sexual assault allegations before him and his daughter even have a funeral. Then you have Kobe's family finding out on social media before the police could contact them because media members just have to be first to get the credit on a terrible tragedy. Then you have an anchor who clearly said Knakers confusing the Knicks with Lakers and some are calling for her to be fired as if she intended to say something else much more perverse. Sometimes tragedies really bring out the absolute worst in humanity.
beast of the east
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=374534]I can't believe how many media outlets are bringing up Kobe's sexual assault allegations before him and his daughter even have a funeral. Then you have Kobe's family finding out on social media before the police could contact them because media members just have to be first to get the credit on a terrible tragedy. Then you have an anchor who clearly said Knakers confusing the Knicks with Lakers and some are calling for her to be fired as if she intended to say something else much more perverse. Sometimes tragedies really bring out the absolute worst in humanity.[/quote]
They were rape allegations settled for $2.5 million by Kobe, but I agree with you. The criminal charges were dropped once the victim declined to testify.
In this era of social medial, there are a ton of first responders, some of whom are often volunteers. It's hard to stop the social media barrage, when anyone can blast something out like this news that catches wildfire in minutes.
They were rape allegations settled for $2.5 million by Kobe, but I agree with you. The criminal charges were dropped once the victim declined to testify.
In this era of social medial, there are a ton of first responders, some of whom are often volunteers. It's hard to stop the social media barrage, when anyone can blast something out like this news that catches wildfire in minutes.
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JohnnyFever
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=374540][quote="Mike Zaun" post=374534]I can't believe how many media outlets are bringing up Kobe's sexual assault allegations before him and his daughter even have a funeral. Then you have Kobe's family finding out on social media before the police could contact them because media members just have to be first to get the credit on a terrible tragedy. Then you have an anchor who clearly said Knakers confusing the Knicks with Lakers and some are calling for her to be fired as if she intended to say something else much more perverse. Sometimes tragedies really bring out the absolute worst in humanity.[/quote]
They were rape allegations settled for $2.5 million by Kobe, but I agree with you. The criminal charges were dropped once the victim declined to testify.
In this era of social medial, there are a ton of first responders, some of whom are often volunteers. It's hard to stop the social media barrage, when anyone can blast something out like this news that catches wildfire in minutes.[/quote]
Just read a refresher and they never found any evidence supporting her claim. DNA suggested she had been with another man right after the alleged incident. If you're truly traumatized, you don't just go right back to doing something that could likely trigger you. As far as I and many others can tell, yes it appears he likely committed adultery which is not a good look obviously. But that's a far cry from accusations of rape. Many extortion attempts these days involving rich and powerful men where things are consensual and then they decide they weren't after the fact. A bit too convenient if you ask me.
Anyway, back to Kobe...he was not a perfect man, nor are any, but he leaves behind such a mega legacy that the world seemed to come to a halt after the announcement of the crash. He was totally devoted to his daughters and he was a very cultured and intelligent guy. Many say they never met anyone who worked harder. Pretty big blow to Body Armor too, wasn't he the biggest endorser?
They were rape allegations settled for $2.5 million by Kobe, but I agree with you. The criminal charges were dropped once the victim declined to testify.
In this era of social medial, there are a ton of first responders, some of whom are often volunteers. It's hard to stop the social media barrage, when anyone can blast something out like this news that catches wildfire in minutes.[/quote]
Just read a refresher and they never found any evidence supporting her claim. DNA suggested she had been with another man right after the alleged incident. If you're truly traumatized, you don't just go right back to doing something that could likely trigger you. As far as I and many others can tell, yes it appears he likely committed adultery which is not a good look obviously. But that's a far cry from accusations of rape. Many extortion attempts these days involving rich and powerful men where things are consensual and then they decide they weren't after the fact. A bit too convenient if you ask me.
Anyway, back to Kobe...he was not a perfect man, nor are any, but he leaves behind such a mega legacy that the world seemed to come to a halt after the announcement of the crash. He was totally devoted to his daughters and he was a very cultured and intelligent guy. Many say they never met anyone who worked harder. Pretty big blow to Body Armor too, wasn't he the biggest endorser?
beast of the east
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=374544][quote="Beast of the East" post=374540][quote="Mike Zaun" post=374534]I can't believe how many media outlets are bringing up Kobe's sexual assault allegations before him and his daughter even have a funeral. Then you have Kobe's family finding out on social media before the police could contact them because media members just have to be first to get the credit on a terrible tragedy. Then you have an anchor who clearly said Knakers confusing the Knicks with Lakers and some are calling for her to be fired as if she intended to say something else much more perverse. Sometimes tragedies really bring out the absolute worst in humanity.[/quote]
They were rape allegations settled for $2.5 million by Kobe, but I agree with you. The criminal charges were dropped once the victim declined to testify.
In this era of social medial, there are a ton of first responders, some of whom are often volunteers. It's hard to stop the social media barrage, when anyone can blast something out like this news that catches wildfire in minutes.[/quote]
Just read a refresher and they never found any evidence supporting her claim. DNA suggested she had been with another man right after the alleged incident. If you're truly traumatized, you don't just go right back to doing something that could likely trigger you. As far as I and many others can tell, yes it appears he likely committed adultery which is not a good look obviously. But that's a far cry from accusations of rape. Many extortion attempts these days involving rich and powerful men where things are consensual and then they decide they weren't after the fact. A bit too convenient if you ask me.
Anyway, back to Kobe...he was not a perfect man, nor are any, but he leaves behind such a mega legacy that the world seemed to come to a halt after the announcement of the crash. He was totally devoted to his daughters and he was a very cultured and intelligent guy. Many say they never met anyone who worked harder. Pretty big blow to Body Armor too, wasn't he the biggest endorser?[/quote]
Kobe confessed, but said it was consensual. The details have been published online. I agree that the line between consent can be blurry, but consider the NBA lifestyle. IT would be hard to believe it was the only time he did something like that. I would probably guess that some in the media are putting that out as a counterbalance to the over the top proclamations of his amazing character. The same happened when Michael Jackson died, but it's clear Kobe was far from a Michael Jackson - but in that case there was amazing praise for Jackson's goodness also.
They were rape allegations settled for $2.5 million by Kobe, but I agree with you. The criminal charges were dropped once the victim declined to testify.
In this era of social medial, there are a ton of first responders, some of whom are often volunteers. It's hard to stop the social media barrage, when anyone can blast something out like this news that catches wildfire in minutes.[/quote]
Just read a refresher and they never found any evidence supporting her claim. DNA suggested she had been with another man right after the alleged incident. If you're truly traumatized, you don't just go right back to doing something that could likely trigger you. As far as I and many others can tell, yes it appears he likely committed adultery which is not a good look obviously. But that's a far cry from accusations of rape. Many extortion attempts these days involving rich and powerful men where things are consensual and then they decide they weren't after the fact. A bit too convenient if you ask me.
Anyway, back to Kobe...he was not a perfect man, nor are any, but he leaves behind such a mega legacy that the world seemed to come to a halt after the announcement of the crash. He was totally devoted to his daughters and he was a very cultured and intelligent guy. Many say they never met anyone who worked harder. Pretty big blow to Body Armor too, wasn't he the biggest endorser?[/quote]
Kobe confessed, but said it was consensual. The details have been published online. I agree that the line between consent can be blurry, but consider the NBA lifestyle. IT would be hard to believe it was the only time he did something like that. I would probably guess that some in the media are putting that out as a counterbalance to the over the top proclamations of his amazing character. The same happened when Michael Jackson died, but it's clear Kobe was far from a Michael Jackson - but in that case there was amazing praise for Jackson's goodness also.
Tragic, many lives ended way too soon.
I read with interest the NYP all of this family man stuff, and found it a little out of balance with only the NYT mentioning his "complicated" legacy. Apparently besides the rape claims and settlement and admission of cheating on his wife with a very young woman--PS his wife got a gigantic ring out of it-- he could be a real jerk with reporters, and sometimes the public. Rude and at times demeaning with even the Lakers' beat reporters. And with teammates at times.
Anyway, as with most people, there were many sides to him. As for BB, he wasn't Michael Jordan, but damn close. That competitive fire burned fiercely like MJ's And even our own Chris Mullin's.
I read with interest the NYP all of this family man stuff, and found it a little out of balance with only the NYT mentioning his "complicated" legacy. Apparently besides the rape claims and settlement and admission of cheating on his wife with a very young woman--PS his wife got a gigantic ring out of it-- he could be a real jerk with reporters, and sometimes the public. Rude and at times demeaning with even the Lakers' beat reporters. And with teammates at times.
Anyway, as with most people, there were many sides to him. As for BB, he wasn't Michael Jordan, but damn close. That competitive fire burned fiercely like MJ's And even our own Chris Mullin's.
JohnnyFever
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Sometimes it's blurry but other times you need to realize people completely lie about these things to extort and it's quite common with rich, famous men. There have also been plenty of stories where women go home with a NBA/NFL/MLB star and steal $100,000 in watches while they sleep. Many single superstar athletes who bring women home have to dispose of their condoms in a completely different manner since there have been stories of groupies trying to steal used ones and I'll let you connect the dots as to why ($). So yes there's another side of this stuff. Just because a woman claims something does not mean it's true any more than a man claiming something. My point was, if he had an affair that's not cool obviously but you don't air a man's dirty laundry right after him and his 13 yr old daughter die in a fiery crash before they even have a funeral. A Washington Post reporter tried pulling this and was suspended. Good for them. If you must bring it up, at least wait a while for things to settle down to evaluate his legacy in full.
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I still can’t believe Kobe is gone, man
L J S A
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GiGi was going to be a part of our conference one day... rip
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=374553]Sometimes it's blurry.[/quote]
Especially in the eyes of the assaulter.
Kobe made a statement that he came to believe the victim did not feel the act was consensual, even if he did. He bought his way out of jail. That's the story.
Especially in the eyes of the assaulter.
Kobe made a statement that he came to believe the victim did not feel the act was consensual, even if he did. He bought his way out of jail. That's the story.
JohnnyFever
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[quote="Jack Williams" post=374562]GiGi was going to be a part of our conference one day... rip[/quote]
I was thinking the same Jack. How cool would it have been to see Kobe on campus or at MSG watching SJ vs. UConn with his daughter playing in the games?
I was thinking the same Jack. How cool would it have been to see Kobe on campus or at MSG watching SJ vs. UConn with his daughter playing in the games?
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=374534]I can't believe how many media outlets are bringing up Kobe's sexual assault allegations before him and his daughter even have a funeral. Then you have Kobe's family finding out on social media before the police could contact them because media members just have to be first to get the credit on a terrible tragedy. Then you have an anchor who clearly said Knakers confusing the Knicks with Lakers and some are calling for her to be fired as if she intended to say something else much more perverse. Sometimes tragedies really bring out the absolute worst in humanity.[/quote]
I haven’t watched that much coverage but I was actually pleased that the sex allegation wasn’t being brought up as a defining moment in his life. I am not passing judgment on that event as I don’t know what really happened but I agree that it is in poor taste to make too much of it at this time. There is plenty of time to discuss it in the future for those who choose.
I am getting to the age that today’s players don’t excite me as much as those of my youth but Kobe was a great player and I am really saddened at his untimely death. I can relate to Jack Williams who grew up with him as a basketball star. I feel similarly about Dr. J but Kobe was a far better player.
I haven’t watched that much coverage but I was actually pleased that the sex allegation wasn’t being brought up as a defining moment in his life. I am not passing judgment on that event as I don’t know what really happened but I agree that it is in poor taste to make too much of it at this time. There is plenty of time to discuss it in the future for those who choose.
I am getting to the age that today’s players don’t excite me as much as those of my youth but Kobe was a great player and I am really saddened at his untimely death. I can relate to Jack Williams who grew up with him as a basketball star. I feel similarly about Dr. J but Kobe was a far better player.
beast of the east
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[quote="Andrew" post=374573][quote="Mike Zaun" post=374534]I can't believe how many media outlets are bringing up Kobe's sexual assault allegations before him and his daughter even have a funeral. Then you have Kobe's family finding out on social media before the police could contact them because media members just have to be first to get the credit on a terrible tragedy. Then you have an anchor who clearly said Knakers confusing the Knicks with Lakers and some are calling for her to be fired as if she intended to say something else much more perverse. Sometimes tragedies really bring out the absolute worst in humanity.[/quote]
I haven’t watched that much coverage but I was actually pleased that the sex allegation wasn’t being brought up as a defining moment in his life. I am not passing judgment on that event as I don’t know what really happened but I agree that it is in poor taste to make too much of it at this time. There is plenty of time to discuss it in the future for those who choose.
I am getting to the age that today’s players don’t excite me as much as those of my youth but Kobe was a great player and I am really saddened at his untimely death. I can relate to Jack Williams who grew up with him as a basketball star. I feel similarly about Dr. J but Kobe was a far better player.[/quote]
I agree that it shouldn't have been brought up, but then again, the accolades of what an amazing, generous person he was could have at least been tempered by adding that coming into the league at 17 he had a lot of growing up to do and learned that the hard way. By simply alluding to that part of his life, it would not have invited details of the worst moments. Many men of less means could have been imprisoned for that if they couldn't settle their way out of it. I agree it is distasteful for the media to bring it up explicitly at this time.
I haven’t watched that much coverage but I was actually pleased that the sex allegation wasn’t being brought up as a defining moment in his life. I am not passing judgment on that event as I don’t know what really happened but I agree that it is in poor taste to make too much of it at this time. There is plenty of time to discuss it in the future for those who choose.
I am getting to the age that today’s players don’t excite me as much as those of my youth but Kobe was a great player and I am really saddened at his untimely death. I can relate to Jack Williams who grew up with him as a basketball star. I feel similarly about Dr. J but Kobe was a far better player.[/quote]
I agree that it shouldn't have been brought up, but then again, the accolades of what an amazing, generous person he was could have at least been tempered by adding that coming into the league at 17 he had a lot of growing up to do and learned that the hard way. By simply alluding to that part of his life, it would not have invited details of the worst moments. Many men of less means could have been imprisoned for that if they couldn't settle their way out of it. I agree it is distasteful for the media to bring it up explicitly at this time.
Mullins Revenge
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There was an eyewitness on the bike trail right where it happened. He said he heard the chopper but couldnt see it in the fog. It was loud and he felt like it was really close. All of the sudden, it appeared out of the fog and slammed right into the mountain combusting into a fireball.
It sounds like the pilot had no clue a mountain was right in front of him and just didnt see it until the last second. Maybe he never even saw it.
The worst thing is this could have easily been avoided. So sad.
It sounds like the pilot had no clue a mountain was right in front of him and just didnt see it until the last second. Maybe he never even saw it.
The worst thing is this could have easily been avoided. So sad.
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[quote="Jack Williams" post=374562]GiGi was going to be a part of our conference one day... rip[/quote]
Not so sure about that, kobe took her to alot of Oregon games.
Pregame oregon /.Oregon st. Made of.circle and had a moment of silence for him.
One player from Oregon was really emotional over kobe's death, and said everything she does this year is for him.
Not so sure about that, kobe took her to alot of Oregon games.
Pregame oregon /.Oregon st. Made of.circle and had a moment of silence for him.
One player from Oregon was really emotional over kobe's death, and said everything she does this year is for him.
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