Reason For Locking the "Lesser of Two Evils" Topic

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JohnnyFan

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I am wondering if the moderator who locked this topic would be willing to share the reasons behind their judgement. The topic was in the "Players Lounge", which is described as a location for "general topics" or "whatever". The thread was also clean and had been void of any personal attacks for several months.

I hope it is not because the current landscape does not favor one person's political view.
 
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I suspect you are correct.
Disturbing that we have moderators who actually still support a white supremacist.
 
I too, would like to know why the thread was locked. After the performance of our President over the last week, it seems as if discussion regarding his honesty, credibility, and fitness to hold office is warranted. Not sure who locked the thread but feel that a reason should be given.
 
Your posts answered your own question. Unfortunately, we are way past the point of any intelligent discourse in this country. Politicians, and I mean ALL politicians, and the media, and I mean ALL media, have managed to erode that completely. Now, it is all just about choosing sides. I don't want to listen to your rants anymore than you want to listen to mine.
 
[quote="Logen" post=290512]Your posts answered your own question. Unfortunately, we are way past the point of any intelligent discourse in this country. Politicians, and I mean ALL politicians, and the media, and I mean ALL media, have managed to erode that completely. Now, it is all just about choosing sides. I don't want to listen to your rants anymore than you want to listen to mine.[/quote]

[URL][URL]https://www.thewrap.com/this-msnbc-contributor-cited-9-11-pearl-harbor-and-kristallnacht-to-assess-trump-putin-summit/[/URL][/URL]]The deuce you say![/url]
 
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There is no evil cabal of moderators. Tom you stirring the pot is ridiculous. You know better.

No one said discussion about the President was off limits. The thread was massive and recently ressurected out of the blue. One of the moderators locked it. He reported it to the other moderators and there was no objection. Simple. No conspiracy. No evil Republican and there are absolutlely no White Supremacists amongst the moderators. There are definitely a few Limousine Liberals though and the general malcontent and crackpot that runs this site.
 
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[quote="Paul Massell" post=290519]There is no evil cabal of moderators. Tom you stirring the pot is ridiculous. You know better.

No one said discussion about the President was off limits. The thread was massive and recently ressurected out of the blue. One of the moderators locked it. He reported it to the other moderators and there was no objection. Simple. No conspiracy. No evil Republican and there are absolutlely no White Supremacists amongst the moderators. There are definitely a few Limousine Liberals though and the general malcontent and crackpot that runs this site.[/quote]


I agree the thread was massive. So, if no one is saying discussion of the president is off limits, then I imagine a proper remedy would be to create a new topic. It can, again, be in the appropriate area (Players Lounge). Yes?

I disagree that the thread was resurrected out of the blue. I am quite sure a majority would agree that there has been an extreme swell in political discussion resulting from the president's overseas trip (i.e. Nato relations, London visit, Russia summit).

Perhaps you can agree that despite the absence of any partisan agenda, when considering our current events, the moderators' action appears uneven.
 
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[quote="JohnnyFan" post=290537]

I agree the thread was massive. So, if no one is saying discussion of the president is off limits, then I imagine a proper remedy would be to create a new topic. It can, again, be in the appropriate area (Players Lounge). Yes?

I disagree that the thread was resurrected out of the blue. I am quite sure a majority would agree that there has been an extreme swell in political discussion resulting from the president's overseas trip (i.e. Nato relations, London visit, Russia summit).

Perhaps you can agree that despite the absence of any partisan agenda, when considering our current events, the moderators' action appears uneven.[/quote]

Disagree in that it is a matter of perspective and not all perspectives are equally valid but you can still be respectful of people even if they are nincompoops or misguided. You see different people have different perspectives. Some people respect that and give people the benefit of the doubt. Some are always ready to assume the worst even despite overwhelming evidence and benevolence to the contratry.

So from my perspective, you feel that you are so entitled and victimized that you made a point of posting an attack on the moderators (which you know is not allowed) who are volunteers and most of whom are probably very close to your own opinions politically. Reasonable people would not care about that anyway and who cares about reality when we're busy maligning peoples' character? And your post is about politics to boot, which you know is not appropriate for the RedmenTalk forum but you posted it there anyway. I moved it to the appropriate forum.

So from my perspective I don't give a crap about your politics. I do however care about respect for people including the people that facilitate the running of this site and most of the people who read it - the vast majority who have ZERO interest in reading about politics here but most especially in the main forum. The reason we separated these forums many years ago.

So from my perspective it seems that you have very little respect for this site, the people that maintain it, or any of the people here who read it. You don't care if you waste their time. You see it as a platform for your self-righteousness. And you don't care that some clown is then going to tag onto your BS with stuff like implicating moderators by association with White Supremacy! Seriously you don't care that it goes there?

That is the perspective I'm getting. Can you see that? I didn't want to drag this out. I gave you a reasonable and true explanation. A reasonable person could also appreciate what I am saying. A reasonable person could also respect that we've wasted too much time on this already.
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=290545][quote="JohnnyFan" post=290537]

I agree the thread was massive. So, if no one is saying discussion of the president is off limits, then I imagine a proper remedy would be to create a new topic. It can, again, be in the appropriate area (Players Lounge). Yes?

I disagree that the thread was resurrected out of the blue. I am quite sure a majority would agree that there has been an extreme swell in political discussion resulting from the president's overseas trip (i.e. Nato relations, London visit, Russia summit).

Perhaps you can agree that despite the absence of any partisan agenda, when considering our current events, the moderators' action appears uneven.[/quote]

Disagree in that it is a matter of perspective and not all perspectives are equally valid but you can still be respectful of people even if they are nincompoops or misguided. You see different people have different perspectives. Some people respect that and give people the benefit of the doubt. Some are always ready to assume the worst even despite overwhelming evidence and benevolence to the contratry.

So from my perspective, you feel that you are so entitled and victimized that you made a point of posting an attack on the moderators (which you know is not allowed) who are volunteers and most of whom are probably very close to your own opinions politically. Reasonable people would not care about that anyway and who cares about reality when we're busy maligning peoples' character? And your post is about politics to boot, which you know is not appropriate for the RedmenTalk forum but you posted it there anyway. I moved it to the appropriate forum.

So from my perspective I don't give a crap about your politics. I do however care about respect for people including the people that facilitate the running of this site and most of the people who read it - the vast majority who have ZERO interest in reading about politics here but most especially in the main forum. The reason we separated these forums many years ago.

So from my perspective it seems that you have very little respect for this site, the people that maintain it, or any of the people here who read it. You don't care if you waste their time. You see it as a platform for your self-righteousness. And you don't care that some clown is then going to tag onto your BS with stuff like implicating moderators by association with White Supremacy! Seriously you don't care that it goes there?

That is the perspective I'm getting. Can you see that? I didn't want to drag this out. I gave you a reasonable and true explanation. A reasonable person could also appreciate what I am saying. A reasonable person could also respect that we've wasted too much time on this already.[/quote]

Paul, I am a reflective person. After reading your reply, I reviewed my post. My intention was to broach the subject in a most respectful, yet truly curious manner. I believe I did that, but I also have to accept the fact that you did not interpret it that way.

Regarding the fact that I started the topic in the RedmenTalk forum, my apologies. I have rarely, if ever, started a thread and that was my mistake. I do regret that the first reply was Tom's insightful comment. This, of course, is out of my control yet admittedly derailed my inquiry.

As far as your comments characterizing me as entitled, feeling victimized, self-righteous, disrespectful, attacking, and unreasonable. They are inaccurate and unfortunate. I am going offline for a few hours, but will reach out to you through private message to see if we can find some common ground. I have always had a positive perception of you and feel as if we might be able to understand each other.
 
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[quote="Paul Massell" post=290519]There is no evil cabal of moderators. Tom you stirring the pot is ridiculous. You know better.

No one said discussion about the President was off limits. The thread was massive and recently ressurected out of the blue. One of the moderators locked it. He reported it to the other moderators and there was no objection. Simple. No conspiracy. No evil Republican and there are absolutlely no White Supremacists amongst the moderators. There are definitely a few Limousine Liberals though and the general malcontent and crackpot that runs this site.[/quote]

Paul, I love you for making this site possible and love it even more that you can laugh about this stuff...and, even better, make me laugh.
 
[quote="firestorm" post=290557][quote="Paul Massell" post=290519]There is no evil cabal of moderators. Tom you stirring the pot is ridiculous. You know better.

No one said discussion about the President was off limits. The thread was massive and recently ressurected out of the blue. One of the moderators locked it. He reported it to the other moderators and there was no objection. Simple. No conspiracy. No evil Republican and there are absolutlely no White Supremacists amongst the moderators. There are definitely a few Limousine Liberals though and the general malcontent and crackpot that runs this site.[/quote]

Paul, I love you for making this site possible and love it even more that you can laugh about this stuff...and, even better, make me laugh.[/quote]

FWIW I keep reading the thread and no one accused any moderators of being white supremacists. Or is Trump now a moderator as well. LOL
 
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FWIW I keep reading the thread and no one accused any moderators of being white supremacists. Or is Trump now a moderator as well. LOL[/quote]

It's like if I was at the annual atheist convention and told everyone that austour hangs out with a bunch of Catholics every day. Guilt by association. You'd feel like you'd have to defend yourself and publicly commit a few sacriligeous acts to prove you were actually a virtuous free thinker. I don't think anyone should have to defend themselves like that especially atheists and non-white supremacists.
 
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Gee, and I though it was me attempting to channel Clement Moore. See what happens when narcissists have an audience.
 
Late to the game, but I was the one who locked it up. As you are aware, this thread was open for discussion since the election, without any interruptions.

But the political discourse was going down a toilet. And I decided to stop it before it went overboard.

And now on a personal level, I did not lock it because I am a Trump suppoter. And for those throwing out sh*t against the wall about me supporting a white supremist had better take a step back and breathe deeply before you say things like that again.

That is insulting. And insults are off limits here. Moreover, I will not dignify those insidious statements with some resume' trying to explain myself either.

PM me if you still feel like calling me names. I have always been respectful of everyone here, regardless of their opinions or leanings. Having said that, I more than amenable to throwing mud back if required.

Thank you,

Alfredo
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=290561][quote="austour" post=290560]
FWIW I keep reading the thread and no one accused any moderators of being white supremacists. Or is Trump now a moderator as well. LOL[/quote]

It's like if I was at the annual atheist convention and told everyone that austour hangs out with a bunch of Catholics every day. Guilt by association. You'd feel like you'd have to defend yourself and publicly commit a few sacriligeous acts to prove you were actually a virtuous free thinker. I don't think anyone should have to defend themselves like that especially atheists and non-white supremacists.[/quote]

Not really but I see how you might feel that way.
 
PS does that mean it's also off limits to ask if any moderators support compulsive liars, or self admitted sexual assaulters? Asking for a friend.

PPS I have to hang around Catholics, I keep in touch with my family, though the 2,500 miles makes that a bit more palatable. Plus I hang here with all of you!

PPPS just because I'm an atheist doesn't mean I go around committing sacrilegious acts for folly. In fact I've read a lot of posters here and am quite sure I follow the basic intents of their holy texts far more closely than they do without bastardizing any for political advantage.
 
I'm in the process of reading John McCain's The Restless Wave. Great read. There is a section in it where he discusses a contentious senate debate over Bill Clinton's nominee for Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders. McCain had just been re-elected for first time and wound up getting into a name calling argument with Ted Kennedy which quickly degenerated into personal attacks including an F-bomb or two. He says that they soon retreated to their seats and after the session ended, Kennedy came up and threw an arm around him and before you knew it they were laughing and congratulating one another on their combativeness. Of course, the two went on to become friends, sponsoring several bills together and had a long and cooperative, if often adversarial, political relationship. McCain later eulogized Teddy at his memorial service. Reading it made me very nostalgic for the days when differing politics didn't make people enemies. Civility, even with the occasional F-bomb, often prevailed. But at least for now those days are gone.

Truth be told, I enjoy this site so much because it is an escape from the ugly world of politics.
 
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[quote="austour" post=290576]PS does that mean it's also off limits to ask if any moderators support compulsive liars, or self admitted sexual assaulters? Asking for a friend.
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Nah. Tell your friend that we regularly had mods (and posters) asked about their support of Clinton, Bush, and Obama.
 
[quote="kranmars" post=290580][quote="austour" post=290576]PS does that mean it's also off limits to ask if any moderators support compulsive liars, or self admitted sexual assaulters? Asking for a friend.
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Nah. Tell your friend that we regularly had mods (and posters) asked about their support of Clinton, Bush, and Obama.[/quote]

You're as funny as ever Alfie.
 
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