Ranking the Big East Coaches

Wow, what more does Ed Cooley have to do to get some respect? Maybe if he won the Big East Tournament? .......oh wait, he did.
 
What a dick, even ranking a coach who has never coached a game in his life.

Well, dick is a bit harsh. He's just some kid who's a fan of Villanova going to school at Mizzou. Not a real journalist or anything. I still can't understand why folks go to places like SB Nation and Bleacher Report and expect to to find anything illuminating. Another problem with the internet, everyone who doesn't want to be a star wants be a sports columnist.
 
Another problem with the internet, everyone who doesn't want to be a star wants be a sports columnist.


And those that don't want to be a sports columnist post on message boards :) Me included!
 
I think this is a pretty fair list with the exception of Wojo ahead of Miller. Wojo hasn't coached a game as a head coach. Comparing their accomplishments as assistants...Duke winning titles with their recruits is not nearly as impressive as Butler making the title game when they've never had a five star or McDonald's All-American, and only like four four star recruits in the in the program's history.

I think Cooley is good but not great. He was left some very good talent and it's not like he exceeded expectation in any regular season. You don't think Lavin would have been better if he inherited Cotton, Council, and Batts?
 
I think Cooley is good but not great. He was left some very good talent and it's not like he exceeded expectation in any regular season. You don't think Lavin would have been better if he inherited Cotton, Council, and Batts?


Seriously. You have GOT to be joking.
This is a joke right ?!
 
I think Cooley is good but not great. He was left some very good talent and it's not like he exceeded expectation in any regular season. You don't think Lavin would have been better if he inherited Cotton, Council, and Batts?


Seriously. You have GOT to be joking.
This is a joke right ?!

No. You'll have to excuse me if I don't dry heave at the very mention of something positive about Steve Lavin like most of this board. Providence was very talented, and Cooley was able to begin his career with Bryce Cotton and Kadeem Batts as sophs and Vince Council as a junior...not too shabby.
 
I think Cooley is good but not great. He was left some very good talent and it's not like he exceeded expectation in any regular season. You don't think Lavin would have been better if he inherited Cotton, Council, and Batts?


Seriously. You have GOT to be joking.
This is a joke right ?!

No. You'll have to excuse me if I don't dry heave at the very mention of something positive about Steve Lavin like most of this board. Providence was very talented, and Cooley was able to begin his career with Bryce Cotton and Kadeem Batts as sophs and Vince Council as a junior...not too shabby.

I think you would be hard pressed to find a coach, analyst or media personality that would say Cooley has had more talent than Lavin has had at St. John's. Also, an interesting statistic is that Cooley has won more games than the previous year, in EVERY season he has been a head coach (Fairfield/Providence). I guess one could say he has been on the right place at the right time, but I would say he must be doing something right.

P.S> The BE Tournament Championship is a huge accomplishment.

For me, Lavin is not in the same league as Cooley. As mentioned, I have Lavin at the bottom, tied with Miller. Not sure Woj should be included.....no way to assess.
 
I think Cooley is good but not great. He was left some very good talent and it's not like he exceeded expectation in any regular season. You don't think Lavin would have been better if he inherited Cotton, Council, and Batts?


Seriously. You have GOT to be joking.
This is a joke right ?!

No. You'll have to excuse me if I don't dry heave at the very mention of something positive about Steve Lavin like most of this board. Providence was very talented, and Cooley was able to begin his career with Bryce Cotton and Kadeem Batts as sophs and Vince Council as a junior...not too shabby.

I think you would be hard pressed to find a coach, analyst or media personality that would say Cooley has had more talent than Lavin has had at St. John's. Also, an interesting statistic is that Cooley has won more games than the previous year, in EVERY season he has been a head coach (Fairfield/Providence). I guess one could say he has been on the right place at the right time, but I would say he must be doing something right.

P.S> The BE Tournament Championship is a huge accomplishment.

For me, Lavin is not in the same league as Cooley. As mentioned, I have Lavin at the bottom, tied with Miller. Not sure Woj should be included.....no way to assess.


See, this is where the hatred for Lavin clouds judgment. How was Cooley's team any less talented than Lavin's 2010-2011 squad that he coached to a six seed, the #18 ranking, and wins against six teams ranked in the top 15? They weren't. Cooley's squad had a two-time 1st team Big East guard, a wing that is being floated as a potential first round pick, a big man that has a shot at being drafted in the 2nd round (much better than Sampson), and a top 100 7'0 center. They also had an outstanding soph guard, Josh Fortune, that will turn some heads next season. And let's not forget the beast, Henton.

I think Cooley did well, but he certainly did not overachieve. He had just as much talent as Lavin, more size, more experience (four seniors), and better basketball players.
 
I think Cooley is good but not great. He was left some very good talent and it's not like he exceeded expectation in any regular season. You don't think Lavin would have been better if he inherited Cotton, Council, and Batts?


Seriously. You have GOT to be joking.
This is a joke right ?!

No. You'll have to excuse me if I don't dry heave at the very mention of something positive about Steve Lavin like most of this board. Providence was very talented, and Cooley was able to begin his career with Bryce Cotton and Kadeem Batts as sophs and Vince Council as a junior...not too shabby.

I think you would be hard pressed to find a coach, analyst or media personality that would say Cooley has had more talent than Lavin has had at St. John's. Also, an interesting statistic is that Cooley has won more games than the previous year, in EVERY season he has been a head coach (Fairfield/Providence). I guess one could say he has been on the right place at the right time, but I would say he must be doing something right.

P.S> The BE Tournament Championship is a huge accomplishment.

For me, Lavin is not in the same league as Cooley. As mentioned, I have Lavin at the bottom, tied with Miller. Not sure Woj should be included.....no way to assess.


See, this is where the hatred for Lavin clouds judgment. How was Cooley's team any less talented than Lavin's 2010-2011 squad that he coached to a six seed, the #18 ranking, and wins against six teams ranked in the top 15? They weren't. Cooley's squad had a two-time 1st team Big East guard, a wing that is being floated as a potential first round pick, a big man that has a shot at being drafted in the 2nd round (much better than Sampson), and a top 100 7'0 center. They also had an outstanding soph guard, Josh Fortune, that will turn some heads next season. And let's not forget the beast, Henton.

I think Cooley did well, but he certainly did not overachieve. He had just as much talent as Lavin, more size, more experience (four seniors), and better basketball players.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. I honestly thought we were the worst coached team in the league this year.
 
Every recruit that Lavin AND Cooley have both gone after...Lavin has got. That speaks to his recruiting ability, which is probably tops in the league. But that makes it impossible to say Cooley has had more talent.
 
I think Cooley is good but not great. He was left some very good talent and it's not like he exceeded expectation in any regular season. You don't think Lavin would have been better if he inherited Cotton, Council, and Batts?


Seriously. You have GOT to be joking.
This is a joke right ?!

No. You'll have to excuse me if I don't dry heave at the very mention of something positive about Steve Lavin like most of this board. Providence was very talented, and Cooley was able to begin his career with Bryce Cotton and Kadeem Batts as sophs and Vince Council as a junior...not too shabby.

I think you would be hard pressed to find a coach, analyst or media personality that would say Cooley has had more talent than Lavin has had at St. John's. Also, an interesting statistic is that Cooley has won more games than the previous year, in EVERY season he has been a head coach (Fairfield/Providence). I guess one could say he has been on the right place at the right time, but I would say he must be doing something right.

P.S> The BE Tournament Championship is a huge accomplishment.

For me, Lavin is not in the same league as Cooley. As mentioned, I have Lavin at the bottom, tied with Miller. Not sure Woj should be included.....no way to assess.


See, this is where the hatred for Lavin clouds judgment. How was Cooley's team any less talented than Lavin's 2010-2011 squad that he coached to a six seed, the #18 ranking, and wins against six teams ranked in the top 15? They weren't. Cooley's squad had a two-time 1st team Big East guard, a wing that is being floated as a potential first round pick, a big man that has a shot at being drafted in the 2nd round (much better than Sampson), and a top 100 7'0 center. They also had an outstanding soph guard, Josh Fortune, that will turn some heads next season. And let's not forget the beast, Henton.

I think Cooley did well, but he certainly did not overachieve. He had just as much talent as Lavin, more size, more experience (four seniors), and better basketball players.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. I honestly thought we were the worst coached team in the league this year.

This is a good post.
And I'm not agreeing simply to pile on Lavin, or troll.
I too honestly believe we were the worst coached/prepared team in the league. Not by a wide margin, it's different shades of gray.
But I think during the season Lavin is last amongst coaches. What he does on the recruiting trail brings him back to middle of the pack overall.

Fwiw, I think chris mack is greatly underrated, as is jt3. Buzz was a very good coach, but slightly overrated. He wasn't great.
I'd go wright, mack, jt3...and then there's a sizeable drop off to the second tier which includes both Cooley and lavin, plus mcdermott probably.
 
The key words in JohnnyFan's post is "this year." He did a bad job coaching this team...this year. Does that make him the worst coach in the league? We are all prone to hyperbole based on the frustration over how this season played out. Was Lavin a genius in 2010-11? Did he suffer massive brain trauma between then and now? If he makes the Sweet 16 next year, does that make him a genius again?
 
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