Ranking the Best Coaching Jobs in Big East

[quote="NCJohnnie" post=396796]Agree that I could see Wright leaving for Duke job before NBA, but I think he is very happy where he is and don't see him leaving at all.[/quote]

Agreed. He's pretty much done at Nova what K did at Duke; elevate a good basketball program in to a national powerhouse. And at the same time, elevate the profile of the school. He is Nova basketball. He will never be Duke basketball, that will always be K. So at best he'll be the 2nd best coach to ever coach at Duke. Don't see the need for him to make that move, or any move for that matter.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=396796]Agree that I could see Wright leaving for Duke job before NBA, but I think he is very happy where he is and don't see him leaving at all.[/quote]

I think the next Duke coach will come from within the family - someone with Duke ties
 
[quote="MarkRedman" post=396802][quote="NCJohnnie" post=396796]Agree that I could see Wright leaving for Duke job before NBA, but I think he is very happy where he is and don't see him leaving at all.[/quote]

I think the next Duke coach will come from within the family - someone with Duke ties[/quote]

Is there a chance you stop being a powerhouse by staying in the family and hiring an inferior coach when you can get someone like Wright though?

Not that St. John's was ever on Duke's level, but if we went for someone else instead of BM how do our fortunes change?
 
I spoke with Patty a few years ago about this. She gave me a pleasant frown, glanced over at Jay who was chatting someone else and said, "He's not going anywhere. We love it here." And that was before two NCAS championships. He will be regarded as one if the greatest all time college coaches, made a ton of money. And is beloved by everyone there. Nothing to gain by leaving.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=396804][quote="MarkRedman" post=396802][quote="NCJohnnie" post=396796]Agree that I could see Wright leaving for Duke job before NBA, but I think he is very happy where he is and don't see him leaving at all.[/quote]

I think the next Duke coach will come from within the family - someone with Duke ties[/quote]

Is there a chance you stop being a powerhouse by staying in the family and hiring an inferior coach when you can get someone like Wright though?

Not that St. John's was ever on Duke's level, but if we went for someone else instead of BM how do our fortunes change?[/quote]

Understood but we tried that several times after BM
How did they work out for us?
We haven't had a decent (forget great) coach since Franny
Here's hoping that CMA will break the chain
 
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[quote="NCJohnnie" post=396796]Agree that I could see Wright leaving for Duke job before NBA, but I think he is very happy where he is and don't see him leaving at all.[/quote]


Jay Wright is 58 years old, I don't see him leaving Villanova for any job, NBA or college. He has an opportunity to continue to build on what he has started at Nova. Why chance ruining it by going to the league? Why follow Coach K at Duke when Nova is presently doing as well if not better than Duke?

I have known Coach Wright for over 25 years, he recruited a lot of my former players. Speedy Claxton at Hofstra, Curtis Sumpter and Jason Fraser at Nova. He also recruited Sterling Gibbs, who ended up going to Texas. The one thing the was consistent in all of his recruiting efforts was "Family". Villanova is Family to him and his wife. He is in control of his own destiny there.

Coach Wright has created an environment at Nova where players thrive and the team is a consistent winner. I don't see him leaving to follow in anyone's footsteps when he can continue down his own path.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=396804][quote="MarkRedman" post=396802][quote="NCJohnnie" post=396796]Agree that I could see Wright leaving for Duke job before NBA, but I think he is very happy where he is and don't see him leaving at all.[/quote]

I think the next Duke coach will come from within the family - someone with Duke ties[/quote]

Is there a chance you stop being a powerhouse by staying in the family and hiring an inferior coach when you can get someone like Wright though?

Not that St. John's was ever on Duke's level, but if we went for someone else instead of BM how do our fortunes change?[/quote]

When LC retired, we initiated a national search for a new coach, and made Frank Layden the chair of that committee. The expectation was that virtually no one was beyond our reach because of our heralded and glorious history of success and located in the brightest lights of NYC. We thought our program was THAT special - that people would line up for this job. The search committee was publicized, and there wasn't a single applicant. The committee also made a list of desirable candidates, and reached out to them. Not a single name of their list, all highly successful coaches at big programs, was interested in the least, not even getting to the point of $$. Many said the same thing - give the job to Mahoney, who they respected as a qualified assistant, responsible for much of our success, who had paid his dues.

We know how that turned out, but it wasn't for lack of trying.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=396817][quote="L J S A" post=396804][quote="MarkRedman" post=396802][quote="NCJohnnie" post=396796]Agree that I could see Wright leaving for Duke job before NBA, but I think he is very happy where he is and don't see him leaving at all.[/quote]

I think the next Duke coach will come from within the family - someone with Duke ties[/quote]

Is there a chance you stop being a powerhouse by staying in the family and hiring an inferior coach when you can get someone like Wright though?

Not that St. John's was ever on Duke's level, but if we went for someone else instead of BM how do our fortunes change?[/quote]

When LC retired, we initiated a national search for a new coach, and made Frank Layden the chair of that committee. The expectation was that virtually no one was beyond our reach because of our heralded and glorious history of success and located in the brightest lights of NYC. We thought our program was THAT special - that people would line up for this job. The search committee was publicized, and there wasn't a single applicant. The committee also made a list of desirable candidates, and reached out to them. Not a single name of their list, all highly successful coaches at big programs, was interested in the least, not even getting to the point of $$. Many said the same thing - give the job to Mahoney, who they respected as a qualified assistant, responsible for much of our success, who had paid his dues.

We know how that turned out, but it wasn't for lack of trying.[/quote]

It turned out good for a year lol
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=396817][quote="L J S A" post=396804][quote="MarkRedman" post=396802][quote="NCJohnnie" post=396796]Agree that I could see Wright leaving for Duke job before NBA, but I think he is very happy where he is and don't see him leaving at all.[/quote]

I think the next Duke coach will come from within the family - someone with Duke ties[/quote]

Is there a chance you stop being a powerhouse by staying in the family and hiring an inferior coach when you can get someone like Wright though?

Not that St. John's was ever on Duke's level, but if we went for someone else instead of BM how do our fortunes change?[/quote]

When LC retired, we initiated a national search for a new coach, and made Frank Layden the chair of that committee. The expectation was that virtually no one was beyond our reach because of our heralded and glorious history of success and located in the brightest lights of NYC. We thought our program was THAT special - that people would line up for this job. The search committee was publicized, and there wasn't a single applicant. The committee also made a list of desirable candidates, and reached out to them. Not a single name of their list, all highly successful coaches at big programs, was interested in the least, not even getting to the point of $$. Many said the same thing - give the job to Mahoney, who they respected as a qualified assistant, responsible for much of our success, who had paid his dues.

We know how that turned out, but it wasn't for lack of trying.[/quote] If the SJU job wasn’t desirable in our heyday. Think about today. In the 80 ‘s we had some very highly ranked teams.
 
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[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=396819][quote="Beast of the East" post=396817][quote="L J S A" post=396804][quote="MarkRedman" post=396802][quote="NCJohnnie" post=396796]Agree that I could see Wright leaving for Duke job before NBA, but I think he is very happy where he is and don't see him leaving at all.[/quote]

I think the next Duke coach will come from within the family - someone with Duke ties[/quote]

Is there a chance you stop being a powerhouse by staying in the family and hiring an inferior coach when you can get someone like Wright though?

Not that St. John's was ever on Duke's level, but if we went for someone else instead of BM how do our fortunes change?[/quote]

When LC retired, we initiated a national search for a new coach, and made Frank Layden the chair of that committee. The expectation was that virtually no one was beyond our reach because of our heralded and glorious history of success and located in the brightest lights of NYC. We thought our program was THAT special - that people would line up for this job. The search committee was publicized, and there wasn't a single applicant. The committee also made a list of desirable candidates, and reached out to them. Not a single name of their list, all highly successful coaches at big programs, was interested in the least, not even getting to the point of $$. Many said the same thing - give the job to Mahoney, who they respected as a qualified assistant, responsible for much of our success, who had paid his dues.

We know how that turned out, but it wasn't for lack of trying.[/quote] If the SJU job wasn’t desirable in our heyday. Think about today. In the 80 ‘s we had some very highly ranked teams.[/quote]

Think of some of our great teams from back then - 1985 was an anomally boosted by the stars aligning with Mulln and Wennington as seniors, Walter Berry a Juco transfer, and Mike Moses a transfer all in the starting lineup with Willie Glass (soph?) Mark Jackson and Shelton Jones as talented freshman.

Most of the other teams had a healthy doses of the return trip of the exit train from NYC, where guys like Searcy, Rencher, Carter came home after greener pastures didn't turn out.

Conference play gave exposure to teams across the country and with internet coverage, being in NYC isn't just as important as top players only want a 1 or 2 year stop at college before turning pro.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=396799][quote="Room112" post=396797]
Jon Beilein should be a cautionary tale to older coaches looking to make a jump to the NBA in hopes of working less for more money. What a disaster.[/quote]

is it though? He makes his money, and he'll be at least a finalist for any open college job he wants when he's ready to dive back in.[/quote]

I guess if this goal was to make a ton of money and only stay one year due to using racial derogatory terms, then he succeeded. Not sure that is any blueprint to follow for a coach lol. He also appeared miserable and out of touch with the players.
 
[quote="panther2" post=396810][quote="NCJohnnie" post=396796]Agree that I could see Wright leaving for Duke job before NBA, but I think he is very happy where he is and don't see him leaving at all.[/quote]


Jay Wright is 58 years old, I don't see him leaving Villanova for any job, NBA or college. He has an opportunity to continue to build on what he has started at Nova. Why chance ruining it by going to the league? Why follow Coach K at Duke when Nova is presently doing as well if not better than Duke?

I have known Coach Wright for over 25 years, he recruited a lot of my former players. Speedy Claxton at Hofstra, Curtis Sumpter and Jason Fraser at Nova. He also recruited Sterling Gibbs, who ended up going to Texas. The one thing the was consistent in all of his recruiting efforts was "Family". Villanova is Family to him and his wife. He is in control of his own destiny there.

Coach Wright has created an environment at Nova where players thrive and the team is a consistent winner. I don't see him leaving to follow in anyone's footsteps when he can continue down his own path.[/quote]

So it's you we have to blame for steering Jason Fraser to Villanova over St. John's?? Just kidding of course, much respect sir, love reading your insights.
 
[quote="Room112" post=396823][quote="L J S A" post=396799][quote="Room112" post=396797]
Jon Beilein should be a cautionary tale to older coaches looking to make a jump to the NBA in hopes of working less for more money. What a disaster.[/quote]

is it though? He makes his money, and he'll be at least a finalist for any open college job he wants when he's ready to dive back in.[/quote]

I guess if this goal was to make a ton of money and only stay one year due to using racial derogatory terms, then he succeeded. Not sure that is any blueprint to follow for a coach lol. He also appeared miserable and out of touch with the players.[/quote]

A couple points on Beilein.

He was making $3.8 mill per year at Michigan, $4mill per year for Cavs. Not much of a raise, though if you believe reports it should have been a lot less work. Not sure Beilein took that approach.

As part of his exit he had to forego most of the $16 guaranteed for the balance of his contract. So essentially he lost money going to Cavs vs. Staying at Michigan for even just a few more years.

I'm sure he didn't see it playing out that way of course.

PS Wright turned down a proposed UCLA salary higher than all but a few NBA coaches at a rumored $7.75 million per.
 
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[quote="Room112" post=396824][quote="panther2" post=396810][quote="NCJohnnie" post=396796]Agree that I could see Wright leaving for Duke job before NBA, but I think he is very happy where he is and don't see him leaving at all.[/quote]


Jay Wright is 58 years old, I don't see him leaving Villanova for any job, NBA or college. He has an opportunity to continue to build on what he has started at Nova. Why chance ruining it by going to the league? Why follow Coach K at Duke when Nova is presently doing as well if not better than Duke?

I have known Coach Wright for over 25 years, he recruited a lot of my former players. Speedy Claxton at Hofstra, Curtis Sumpter and Jason Fraser at Nova. He also recruited Sterling Gibbs, who ended up going to Texas. The one thing the was consistent in all of his recruiting efforts was "Family". Villanova is Family to him and his wife. He is in control of his own destiny there.

Coach Wright has created an environment at Nova where players thrive and the team is a consistent winner. I don't see him leaving to follow in anyone's footsteps when he can continue down his own path.[/quote]

So it's you we have to blame for steering Jason Fraser to Villanova over St. John's?? Just kidding of course, much respect sir, love reading your insights.[/quote]



lol, hope to catch up with you when possible and let you know the real story.
 
[quote="austour" post=396825][quote="Room112" post=396823][quote="L J S A" post=396799][quote="Room112" post=396797]
Jon Beilein should be a cautionary tale to older coaches looking to make a jump to the NBA in hopes of working less for more money. What a disaster.[/quote]

is it though? He makes his money, and he'll be at least a finalist for any open college job he wants when he's ready to dive back in.[/quote]

I guess if this goal was to make a ton of money and only stay one year due to using racial derogatory terms, then he succeeded. Not sure that is any blueprint to follow for a coach lol. He also appeared miserable and out of touch with the players.[/quote]

A couple points on Beilein.

He was making $3.8 mill per year at Michigan, $4mill per year for Cavs. Not much of a raise, though if you believe reports it should have been a lot less work. Not sure Beilein took that approach.

As part of his exit he had to forego most of the $16 guaranteed for the balance of his contract. So essentially he lost money going to Cavs vs. Staying at Michigan for even just a few more years.

I'm sure he didn't see it playing out that way of course.

PS Wright turned down a proposed UCLA salary higher than all but a few NBA coaches at a rumored $7.75 million per.[/quote]

I'm going to guess that Wright never engaged in any discussions with UCLA at all, except to tell them he wasn't interested. Whether or not they floated a number, I don't know. Villanova has treated Jay really well, and without him having to ask for it, raised him several times to above $4 million. Jay still has strong ties to the NYC area, and whenever I've seen him asked me how some guys are who are in and around my town. Jay is likely the most important and most visible Villanovan, and a very strong voice to students on how they should conduct themselves. He is a very bright guy, and a better communicator than nearly everyone in politics right now. If it wasn't basketball, he could be a senator, or a CEO - he's that talented.

There's absolutely no reason why he would go to Duke and be measured against Coach K, or UNC and Dean Smith, or UCLA and Wooden. If he wants more money, he could go to Villanova and ask for it, but I don't ever see him doing it. He knows that for a school their size, and an endowment of less than $1u billion, with expansion of the campus a priority, they are being very fair with him. He absolutely exemplifies everything good about the school, and has proven what we thought was impossible at the time - winning two national championships in a conference that rose out of the ashes of the depleted Big East. It is simply his home, and as others have said here, his family.
 
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Beast, I bet you're right with regard to JW and UCLA, though I bet the salary was the opening salvo in an attempt to engage as even they had to know it would be very hard to get his attention. Also, as we all foresaw JW's name is coming up as someone the 76ers should target now that they fired Brown, with a lot of talking heads saying he would be crazy to entertain any offer.
 
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[quote="austour" post=396915]Beast, I bet you're right with regard to JW and UCLA, though I bet the salary was the opening salvo in an attempt to engage as even they had to know it would be very hard to get his attention. Also, as we all foresaw JW's name is coming up as someone the 76ers should target now that they fired Brown, with a lot of talking heads saying he would be crazy to entertain any offer.[/quote]

In spring of 2014 there was similar talk of 76ers offering Jay. I saw him and his wife Patti at an event. For the record she said they loved living on long island, on Kennedy street in rvc.

While Jay chatted someone else, I asked her more quietly, "Is there anything to Jay going to the 76ers? She smiled and smirked and then said in a lower vouce, "He isn't going anywhere. We love Villanova."

The gods then rewarded Jay with two NCAA championships without a superstar player, launching him into all time great category.
 
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