Ranking the Best Coaching Jobs in Big East

[quote="austour" post=396740][quote="Monte" post=396731][quote="Class of 72" post=396708][quote="austour" post=396689]I think looking at the coaches hired between Looie and CMA it may be based on the level of coach that would be attracted to the job. There has been nary a marquee hire, the closest being Jarvis. Everyone else has been a regionally relevant hire at best or some level of reclamation project, and Mullin which made no sense at all.[/quote]

Post Carnesecca we have had the worst hires and firings in the league which tarnished the attractiveness of the job. The ten years under Norm Roberts and Chris Mullin set us back ten years with hardly any improvement. I don't buy the facilities excuse nor the lack of NYC talent. Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier and Villanova are not light years ahead of playing in the capital of the world. Some folks here have even gone wildly optimistic that Rick Pitino will turn a school like Iona (I O N A) into a nationally ranked program!
The only hires that made sense but all of whom had major flaws were Jarvis and Lavin. CMA is the most professional of the bunch but his assistants have to up their game in recruiting.[/quote]

Agree with most of what you're saying, but I feel that Fran was a better hire(at the time) then Lavin. Hires ranked in terms of the amount of sense they made at the time:
1. CMA(especially considering other options)
2. Jarvis
3. Fran
4. Lavin
5. BM
6. Chris
7. Norm[/quote]

I read the posts below and agree that Fran's red flags were after the hire. But why did he make sense? It certainly wasn't a sexy hire? Was he being chased by a bunch of other high majors? I don't even remember who the candidates were anymore but were there no bigger names interested? I understand that regionally it looked good but it also shows how low the program was targeting or am I misremembering. And yes Lavin was a warts and all kind of hire but it did signal an intention on trying to regain national relevancy. Hard to say who I'd rank higher now that I think about it. But those bottom three hires. STJ basketball in a nutshell.[/quote]

It's all relative. Back then we had a very limited budget and Mom and Pop mentality. I too don't remember the other candidates(I think Wright was later), but I do remember that we weren't exactly going to break the bank for a new coach. Keep in mind, I am ranking the coaches based on how much sense each seemed to make at the time. Fran made sense to me and, I believe, to most of our fan base at the time.
 
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[quote="Monte" post=396742][quote="austour" post=396740][quote="Monte" post=396731][quote="Class of 72" post=396708][quote="austour" post=396689]I think looking at the coaches hired between Looie and CMA it may be based on the level of coach that would be attracted to the job. There has been nary a marquee hire, the closest being Jarvis. Everyone else has been a regionally relevant hire at best or some level of reclamation project, and Mullin which made no sense at all.[/quote]

Post Carnesecca we have had the worst hires and firings in the league which tarnished the attractiveness of the job. The ten years under Norm Roberts and Chris Mullin set us back ten years with hardly any improvement. I don't buy the facilities excuse nor the lack of NYC talent. Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier and Villanova are not light years ahead of playing in the capital of the world. Some folks here have even gone wildly optimistic that Rick Pitino will turn a school like Iona (I O N A) into a nationally ranked program!
The only hires that made sense but all of whom had major flaws were Jarvis and Lavin. CMA is the most professional of the bunch but his assistants have to up their game in recruiting.[/quote]

Agree with most of what you're saying, but I feel that Fran was a better hire(at the time) then Lavin. Hires ranked in terms of the amount of sense they made at the time:
1. CMA(especially considering other options)
2. Jarvis
3. Fran
4. Lavin
5. BM
6. Chris
7. Norm[/quote]

I read the posts below and agree that Fran's red flags were after the hire. But why did he make sense? It certainly wasn't a sexy hire? Was he being chased by a bunch of other high majors? I don't even remember who the candidates were anymore but were there no bigger names interested? I understand that regionally it looked good but it also shows how low the program was targeting or am I misremembering. And yes Lavin was a warts and all kind of hire but it did signal an intention on trying to regain national relevancy. Hard to say who I'd rank higher now that I think about it. But those bottom three hires. STJ basketball in a nutshell.[/quote]

It's all relative. Back then we had a very limited budget and Mom and Pop mentality. I too don't remember the other candidates(I think Wright was later), but I do remember that we weren't exactly going to break the bank for a new coach. Keep in mind, I am ranking the coaches based on how much sense each seemed to make at the time. Fran made sense to me and, I believe, to most of our fan base at the time.[/quote]
I was really happy with Fran until I wasn’t.
 
[quote="Spocky Ramone" post=396746][quote="Monte" post=396742][quote="austour" post=396740][quote="Monte" post=396731][quote="Class of 72" post=396708][quote="austour" post=396689]I think looking at the coaches hired between Looie and CMA it may be based on the level of coach that would be attracted to the job. There has been nary a marquee hire, the closest being Jarvis. Everyone else has been a regionally relevant hire at best or some level of reclamation project, and Mullin which made no sense at all.[/quote]

Post Carnesecca we have had the worst hires and firings in the league which tarnished the attractiveness of the job. The ten years under Norm Roberts and Chris Mullin set us back ten years with hardly any improvement. I don't buy the facilities excuse nor the lack of NYC talent. Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier and Villanova are not light years ahead of playing in the capital of the world. Some folks here have even gone wildly optimistic that Rick Pitino will turn a school like Iona (I O N A) into a nationally ranked program!
The only hires that made sense but all of whom had major flaws were Jarvis and Lavin. CMA is the most professional of the bunch but his assistants have to up their game in recruiting.[/quote]

Agree with most of what you're saying, but I feel that Fran was a better hire(at the time) then Lavin. Hires ranked in terms of the amount of sense they made at the time:
1. CMA(especially considering other options)
2. Jarvis
3. Fran
4. Lavin
5. BM
6. Chris
7. Norm[/quote]

I read the posts below and agree that Fran's red flags were after the hire. But why did he make sense? It certainly wasn't a sexy hire? Was he being chased by a bunch of other high majors? I don't even remember who the candidates were anymore but were there no bigger names interested? I understand that regionally it looked good but it also shows how low the program was targeting or am I misremembering. And yes Lavin was a warts and all kind of hire but it did signal an intention on trying to regain national relevancy. Hard to say who I'd rank higher now that I think about it. But those bottom three hires. STJ basketball in a nutshell.[/quote]

It's all relative. Back then we had a very limited budget and Mom and Pop mentality. I too don't remember the other candidates(I think Wright was later), but I do remember that we weren't exactly going to break the bank for a new coach. Keep in mind, I am ranking the coaches based on how much sense each seemed to make at the time. Fran made sense to me and, I believe, to most of our fan base at the time.[/quote]
I was really happy with Fran until I wasn’t.[/quote]

Day one for each coach was great!!!
 
[quote="austour" post=396740][quote="Monte" post=396731][quote="Class of 72" post=396708][quote="austour" post=396689]I think looking at the coaches hired between Looie and CMA it may be based on the level of coach that would be attracted to the job. There has been nary a marquee hire, the closest being Jarvis. Everyone else has been a regionally relevant hire at best or some level of reclamation project, and Mullin which made no sense at all.[/quote]

Post Carnesecca we have had the worst hires and firings in the league which tarnished the attractiveness of the job. The ten years under Norm Roberts and Chris Mullin set us back ten years with hardly any improvement. I don't buy the facilities excuse nor the lack of NYC talent. Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier and Villanova are not light years ahead of playing in the capital of the world. Some folks here have even gone wildly optimistic that Rick Pitino will turn a school like Iona (I O N A) into a nationally ranked program!
The only hires that made sense but all of whom had major flaws were Jarvis and Lavin. CMA is the most professional of the bunch but his assistants have to up their game in recruiting.[/quote]

Agree with most of what you're saying, but I feel that Fran was a better hire(at the time) then Lavin. Hires ranked in terms of the amount of sense they made at the time:
1. CMA(especially considering other options)
2. Jarvis
3. Fran
4. Lavin
5. BM
6. Chris
7. Norm[/quote]

I read the posts below and agree that Fran's red flags were after the hire. But why did he make sense? It certainly wasn't a sexy hire? Was he being chased by a bunch of other high majors? I don't even remember who the candidates were anymore but were there no bigger names interested? I understand that regionally it looked good but it also shows how low the program was targeting or am I misremembering. And yes Lavin was a warts and all kind of hire but it did signal an intention on trying to regain national relevancy. Hard to say who I'd rank higher now that I think about it. But those bottom three hires. STJ basketball in a nutshell.[/quote]
Fran had success at Manhattan and won an NCAA T game as a low seed vs high seed Oklahoma and had tremendous recruiting success during his 2 year stint at St. John's.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=396753][quote="austour" post=396740][quote="Monte" post=396731][quote="Class of 72" post=396708][quote="austour" post=396689]I think looking at the coaches hired between Looie and CMA it may be based on the level of coach that would be attracted to the job. There has been nary a marquee hire, the closest being Jarvis. Everyone else has been a regionally relevant hire at best or some level of reclamation project, and Mullin which made no sense at all.[/quote]

Post Carnesecca we have had the worst hires and firings in the league which tarnished the attractiveness of the job. The ten years under Norm Roberts and Chris Mullin set us back ten years with hardly any improvement. I don't buy the facilities excuse nor the lack of NYC talent. Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier and Villanova are not light years ahead of playing in the capital of the world. Some folks here have even gone wildly optimistic that Rick Pitino will turn a school like Iona (I O N A) into a nationally ranked program!
The only hires that made sense but all of whom had major flaws were Jarvis and Lavin. CMA is the most professional of the bunch but his assistants have to up their game in recruiting.[/quote]

Agree with most of what you're saying, but I feel that Fran was a better hire(at the time) then Lavin. Hires ranked in terms of the amount of sense they made at the time:
1. CMA(especially considering other options)
2. Jarvis
3. Fran
4. Lavin
5. BM
6. Chris
7. Norm[/quote]

I read the posts below and agree that Fran's red flags were after the hire. But why did he make sense? It certainly wasn't a sexy hire? Was he being chased by a bunch of other high majors? I don't even remember who the candidates were anymore but were there no bigger names interested? I understand that regionally it looked good but it also shows how low the program was targeting or am I misremembering. And yes Lavin was a warts and all kind of hire but it did signal an intention on trying to regain national relevancy. Hard to say who I'd rank higher now that I think about it. But those bottom three hires. STJ basketball in a nutshell.[/quote]
Fran had success at Manhattan and won an NCAA T game as a low seed vs high seed Oklahoma and had tremendous recruiting success during his 2 year stint at St. John's.[/quote]

Plus, that Manhattan team got in as an at-large (which, I think, has happend to the MAAC only once since), so you know that he was building a great program at the time.

There were some bigger names floated about at the time (Bobby Cremins, Pat Kennedy, Tom Penders), but Fran was always the guy I wanted. I thought he'd be here 20 years.
 
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[quote="SJU61982" post=396754][quote="bamafan" post=396753][quote="austour" post=396740][quote="Monte" post=396731][quote="Class of 72" post=396708][quote="austour" post=396689]I think looking at the coaches hired between Looie and CMA it may be based on the level of coach that would be attracted to the job. There has been nary a marquee hire, the closest being Jarvis. Everyone else has been a regionally relevant hire at best or some level of reclamation project, and Mullin which made no sense at all.[/quote]

Post Carnesecca we have had the worst hires and firings in the league which tarnished the attractiveness of the job. The ten years under Norm Roberts and Chris Mullin set us back ten years with hardly any improvement. I don't buy the facilities excuse nor the lack of NYC talent. Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier and Villanova are not light years ahead of playing in the capital of the world. Some folks here have even gone wildly optimistic that Rick Pitino will turn a school like Iona (I O N A) into a nationally ranked program!
The only hires that made sense but all of whom had major flaws were Jarvis and Lavin. CMA is the most professional of the bunch but his assistants have to up their game in recruiting.[/quote]

Agree with most of what you're saying, but I feel that Fran was a better hire(at the time) then Lavin. Hires ranked in terms of the amount of sense they made at the time:
1. CMA(especially considering other options)
2. Jarvis
3. Fran
4. Lavin
5. BM
6. Chris
7. Norm[/quote]

I read the posts below and agree that Fran's red flags were after the hire. But why did he make sense? It certainly wasn't a sexy hire? Was he being chased by a bunch of other high majors? I don't even remember who the candidates were anymore but were there no bigger names interested? I understand that regionally it looked good but it also shows how low the program was targeting or am I misremembering. And yes Lavin was a warts and all kind of hire but it did signal an intention on trying to regain national relevancy. Hard to say who I'd rank higher now that I think about it. But those bottom three hires. STJ basketball in a nutshell.[/quote]
Fran had success at Manhattan and won an NCAA T game as a low seed vs high seed Oklahoma and had tremendous recruiting success during his 2 year stint at St. John's.[/quote]

Plus, that Manhattan team got in as an at-large (which, I think, has happend to the MAAC only once since), so you know that he was building a great program at the time.

There were some bigger names floated about at the time (Bobby Cremins, Pat Kennedy, Tom Penders), but Fran was always the guy I wanted. I thought he'd be here 20 years.[/quote]

If Fran wasn't a knucklehead, he would have been at St John's for at least 20 years. He was a good, young, hungry coach who called St John's his "dream job" when he was hired. He recruited and coached pretty well until the $hit hit the fan. If he had better self control, Fran would have had a long and very successful career at St John's.

Having said that, I love Fran's work on TV. He's an excellent analyst and has great insight into the game. He's also very knowledgeable about the overseas market and is often called upon for his expertise in that area come NBA draft time.
 
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Our biggest mistake was our not hiring Bob McKillop on multiple occasions.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=396757]Our biggest mistake was our not hiring Bob McKillop on multiple occasions.[/quote]. The first time , after Fran , we hired Jarvis and passed on McKillop . A mistake . If memory serves me right . Someone involved in the hiring dismissed him with ,” he can’t recruit 125th Street.” Well , he did pretty well at Davidson for the last 20 some odd years . So Jarvis was hired . I’m not sure if Wright was at Hofstra at the time but , when Jarvis was dismissed , he should have been hired instead of Norm . He has stated many times he would have taken the job , if offered . Lavin had the National Reputation when hired and I thought we were going to soon challenging for the NCAA Tittle . Especially with that first Recruiting Class. But , we learned soon , he wasn’t a Bench Coach . When he wasn’t getting UCLA talent he proved very ordinary .
 
[quote="Las Vegan" post=396697][quote="austour" post=396689]I think looking at the coaches hired between Looie and CMA it may be based on the level of coach that would be attracted to the job. There has been nary a marquee hire, the closest being Jarvis. Everyone else has been a regionally relevant hire at best or some level of reclamation project, and Mullin which made no sense at all.[/quote]

Agree that the coaching hires have left much to be desired, but a big part of the problem was the hiring process, which had some combination of Grifty Harrington, Louie, alumni donors, and school administrators making the poor choices. Bob McKillop could have been hired years ago and he would have been successful. There were probably others who would have compared favorably to those who were hired. Mike Cragg saved us from making yet another questionable choice a year ago.[/quote]

If Grifty is your neologism I am truly impressed.
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=396773][quote="MCNPA" post=396757]Our biggest mistake was our not hiring Bob McKillop on multiple occasions.[/quote]. The first time , after Fran , we hired Jarvis and passed on McKillop . A mistake . If memory serves me right . Someone involved in the hiring dismissed him with ,” he can’t recruit 125th Street.” Well , he did pretty well at Davidson for the last 20 some odd years . So Jarvis was hired . I’m not sure if Wright was at Hofstra at the time but , when Jarvis was dismissed , he should have been hired instead of Norm . He has stated many times he would have taken the job , if offered . Lavin had the National Reputation when hired and I thought we were going to soon challenging for the NCAA Tittle . Especially with that first Recruiting Class. But , we learned soon , he wasn’t a Bench Coach . When he wasn’t getting UCLA talent he proved very ordinary .[/quote]

When Jarvis was hired Jay was a Hofstra Coach with a career 50-63 record. Wasn't a hot commodity. His three years after that were great.

There was no real reason to offer him the job at that time even if he would have taken it, though you could say that an astute AD might have seen the potential.

When Norm was hired Jay was already at Nova for 3 uninspiring years but was not under threat there. Given that he is from PA, was an assistant under Rollie, and that Nova probably paid more he was not going to jump in conference.

I have never read any quote that say he would have taken the job at that time.

The stars were never aligned for him to come to STJ unfortunately.
 
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[quote="austour" post=396782][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=396773][quote="MCNPA" post=396757]Our biggest mistake was our not hiring Bob McKillop on multiple occasions.[/quote]. The first time , after Fran , we hired Jarvis and passed on McKillop . A mistake . If memory serves me right . Someone involved in the hiring dismissed him with ,” he can’t recruit 125th Street.” Well , he did pretty well at Davidson for the last 20 some odd years . So Jarvis was hired . I’m not sure if Wright was at Hofstra at the time but , when Jarvis was dismissed , he should have been hired instead of Norm . He has stated many times he would have taken the job , if offered . Lavin had the National Reputation when hired and I thought we were going to soon challenging for the NCAA Tittle . Especially with that first Recruiting Class. But , we learned soon , he wasn’t a Bench Coach . When he wasn’t getting UCLA talent he proved very ordinary .[/quote]

When Jarvis was hired Jay was a Hofstra Coach with a career 50-63 record. Wasn't a hot commodity. His three years after that were great.

There was no real reason to offer him the job at that time even if he would have taken it, though you could say that an astute AD might have seen the potential.

When Norm was hired Jay was already at Nova for 3 uninspiring years but was not under threat there. Given that he is from PA, was an assistant under Rollie, and that Nova probably paid more he was not going to jump in conference.

I have never read any quote that say he would have taken the job at that time.

The stars were never aligned for him to come to STJ unfortunately.[/quote]

I'll also add that had he come here, and met with some success(which he would have) he would have been pursued (and had big bucks thrown at him) every time a big name job(UCLA, Mich, etc) opened up. Would have gladly taken Jay or 10 years or even 5, but don't think he would have been a long term fixture here the way he is at Nova or the way Louie was. Wright and Nova are about as good a fit as you'll ever see.
 
[quote="Monte" post=396784][quote="austour" post=396782][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=396773][quote="MCNPA" post=396757]Our biggest mistake was our not hiring Bob McKillop on multiple occasions.[/quote]. The first time , after Fran , we hired Jarvis and passed on McKillop . A mistake . If memory serves me right . Someone involved in the hiring dismissed him with ,” he can’t recruit 125th Street.” Well , he did pretty well at Davidson for the last 20 some odd years . So Jarvis was hired . I’m not sure if Wright was at Hofstra at the time but , when Jarvis was dismissed , he should have been hired instead of Norm . He has stated many times he would have taken the job , if offered . Lavin had the National Reputation when hired and I thought we were going to soon challenging for the NCAA Tittle . Especially with that first Recruiting Class. But , we learned soon , he wasn’t a Bench Coach . When he wasn’t getting UCLA talent he proved very ordinary .[/quote]

When Jarvis was hired Jay was a Hofstra Coach with a career 50-63 record. Wasn't a hot commodity. His three years after that were great.

There was no real reason to offer him the job at that time even if he would have taken it, though you could say that an astute AD might have seen the potential.

When Norm was hired Jay was already at Nova for 3 uninspiring years but was not under threat there. Given that he is from PA, was an assistant under Rollie, and that Nova probably paid more he was not going to jump in conference.

I have never read any quote that say he would have taken the job at that time.

The stars were never aligned for him to come to STJ unfortunately.[/quote]

I'll also add that had he come here, and met with some success(which he would have) he would have been pursued (and had big bucks thrown at him) every time a big name job(UCLA, Mich, etc) opened up. Would have gladly taken Jay or 10 years or even 5, but don't think he would have been a long term fixture here the way he is at Nova or the way Louie was. Wright and Nova are about as good a fit as you'll ever see.[/quote]

After the playoff debacle against the Celtics, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Sixers fire Coach Brown and put the full court press on Jay Wright to take over. They'll offer a ton of money but I just don't see him leaving Nova. He knows a good gig when he sees one and will remember what happened to his mentor, Coach Mass, when he chased the money after winning the National Championship.
 
[quote="MarkRedman" post=396785][quote="Monte" post=396784][quote="austour" post=396782][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=396773][quote="MCNPA" post=396757]Our biggest mistake was our not hiring Bob McKillop on multiple occasions.[/quote]. The first time , after Fran , we hired Jarvis and passed on McKillop . A mistake . If memory serves me right . Someone involved in the hiring dismissed him with ,” he can’t recruit 125th Street.” Well , he did pretty well at Davidson for the last 20 some odd years . So Jarvis was hired . I’m not sure if Wright was at Hofstra at the time but , when Jarvis was dismissed , he should have been hired instead of Norm . He has stated many times he would have taken the job , if offered . Lavin had the National Reputation when hired and I thought we were going to soon challenging for the NCAA Tittle . Especially with that first Recruiting Class. But , we learned soon , he wasn’t a Bench Coach . When he wasn’t getting UCLA talent he proved very ordinary .[/quote]

When Jarvis was hired Jay was a Hofstra Coach with a career 50-63 record. Wasn't a hot commodity. His three years after that were great.

There was no real reason to offer him the job at that time even if he would have taken it, though you could say that an astute AD might have seen the potential.

When Norm was hired Jay was already at Nova for 3 uninspiring years but was not under threat there. Given that he is from PA, was an assistant under Rollie, and that Nova probably paid more he was not going to jump in conference.

I have never read any quote that say he would have taken the job at that time.

The stars were never aligned for him to come to STJ unfortunately.[/quote]

I'll also add that had he come here, and met with some success(which he would have) he would have been pursued (and had big bucks thrown at him) every time a big name job(UCLA, Mich, etc) opened up. Would have gladly taken Jay or 10 years or even 5, but don't think he would have been a long term fixture here the way he is at Nova or the way Louie was. Wright and Nova are about as good a fit as you'll ever see.[/quote]

After the playoff debacle against the Celtics, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Sixers fire Coach Brown and put the full court press on Jay Wright to take over. They'll offer a ton of money but I just don't see him leaving Nova. He knows a good gig when he sees one and will remember what happened to his mentor, Coach Mass, when he chased the money after winning the National Championship.[/quote]

I would certainly not fault Jay for trying the NBA, but he knows what he means to Nova, and he knows what Nova means to him and his family. He also knows about the rigors of being an NBA coach, , the stress that comes with babysitting millionaires and the impact it will have on his family life. Something tells me, like you, that he listens but passes.
 
I don't see Wright going anywhere, ever. If you believe the rumors, etc, he has been pursued by the Sixers before, as well as two of the bluest blue bloods in Kentucky and UCLA. You don't turn down those opportunities, and have Nova where it is now, only to leave.

I've seen BE rankings before, perhaps even last year, where SJU was ranked a bit higher. No one is going to dispute Hall and Depaul being at the bottom of any such list, but I think there is a sound argument to make that SJU can fairly be put a bit higher on the list, and certainly in the top half of the league. We just need to win some more to get back to that point.
 
[quote="Rob" post=396789]I don't see Wright going anywhere, ever. If you believe the rumors, etc, he has been pursued by the Sixers before, as well as two of the bluest blue bloods in Kentucky and UCLA. You don't turn down those opportunities, and have Nova where it is now, only to leave.[/quote]

I think he'd take a long listen to a Duke sales pitch if they went out of coaching tree. Especially if the figure came close to what they pay K.
 
I just can't see Wright, with all his recent success and own image, looking to follow in the shadow of Coach K at Duke.
 
[quote="Rob" post=396789]I don't see Wright going anywhere, ever. If you believe the rumors, etc, he has been pursued by the Sixers before, as well as two of the bluest blue bloods in Kentucky and UCLA. You don't turn down those opportunities, and have Nova where it is now, only to leave.

I've seen BE rankings before, perhaps even last year, where SJU was ranked a bit higher. No one is going to dispute Hall and Depaul being at the bottom of any such list, but I think there is a sound argument to make that SJU can fairly be put a bit higher on the list, and certainly in the top half of the league. We just need to win some more to get back to that point.[/quote]

When did UK take a look?

2007-post Tubby/Billy G hire?
 
Agree that I could see Wright leaving for Duke job before NBA, but I think he is very happy where he is and don't see him leaving at all.
 
[quote="Rob" post=396789]I don't see Wright going anywhere, ever. If you believe the rumors, etc, he has been pursued by the Sixers before, as well as two of the bluest blue bloods in Kentucky and UCLA. You don't turn down those opportunities, and have Nova where it is now, only to leave.

I've seen BE rankings before, perhaps even last year, where SJU was ranked a bit higher. No one is going to dispute Hall and Depaul being at the bottom of any such list, but I think there is a sound argument to make that SJU can fairly be put a bit higher on the list, and certainly in the top half of the league. We just need to win some more to get back to that point.[/quote]

Jon Beilein should be a cautionary tale to older coaches looking to make a jump to the NBA in hopes of working less for more money. What a disaster.
 
[quote="Room112" post=396797]
Jon Beilein should be a cautionary tale to older coaches looking to make a jump to the NBA in hopes of working less for more money. What a disaster.[/quote]

is it though? He makes his money, and he'll be at least a finalist for any open college job he wants when he's ready to dive back in.
 
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