Purely Tactical

Anyone who would compare Lavin as a recruiter with Norm is off the reservation. They are on 2 different planes. But, Lavin now has to show that he can coach the kids that he brings in into a cohesive competitive group. The "too young" excuse does not hold water for me, as many many freshmen and sophomores (especially those who had as much pt as our guys did last year) do well in college. The lack of progress (and indeed regression of some of our kids) is a concern to me.
 
Well Beast...I've given some thought to your Orchestra analogy...and while I understand your point, I fail to see how it applies in this situation. For one thing, Green, Pointer, Harrison, and Garrett hardly qualify as fledgling musicians. Also, a poor music teacher will always remain exactly that...a poor music teacher!

Coach Lavin came to St. John's with a clear reputation as being a clever and solid recruiter, but also being a compromised tactician. UCLA fired him for it! He fielded teams with more than one first round draft choice on his roster, but only advanced to the "elite eight" once (mind you, this is during a period when UCLA was still a high profile attraction to the nation's best talent). I'm sure it's fair to make the argument that he was treated unfairly there. Certainly, their expectations were very high. But where there's smoke, there's fire...and currently I see some cause for alarm in the seemingly similar pattern on display here at St. John's.

The purpose of this thread was to point out possible weaknesses in the way we are currently approaching games. Certainly there is something wrong. We have very good talent, and we are either losing to, or barely winning against mid-major talent, that most good teams would categorically beat the crap out of. San Francisco lost to "Holy Cross" and then lost it's next three games. We just lost a 17 point lead to an average team on our home court for a loss. I propose that these losses...along with the bevy of close wins against weak competition....signal strategical inadequacies far more complex than the simplicity of "well, they'll grow out of it"!

Anyway, I know that many are thinking about two years ago...and the admittedly wonderful turn around we experienced with the Dwight Hardy team. But that change came about largely with a turn in strategical direction. We stopped pressing...and Coach Dunlap had an immense impact when the team successfully digested his match-up zone. The shift of Hardy to point guard also paid dividends (who knows whose idea that was?) in that season.

This is the 2012-2013 season. So far, we are clearly under-producing. So far, we are clearly not playing smart basketball. You can blame the kids, you can blame inexperience, or anything else you choose to. This is a free country. But from the perspective of my own observations, using the current defensive and offensive approaches employed by this coaching staff, there isn't going to be any sudden euphoric improvement. For me, I'm stating the obvious. No need to beat me up if you disagree. Opinions are what make life interesting! Personally, I would be very pleased if you were right!

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What team were you watching two years ago that stopped pressing? The one that ran Duke out of the building or the one that blew out UConn? I love the convenient memories that we have on this site. That team used pressure defense to overcome its inadequacies in the half court. It never stopped pressing.

Lav is teaching this team every day and we're seeing glimpses of the progress, but clearly not as much or as quickly as many of us would like. Two years ago, I felt the same way after the Ball State game, Fordham and Davidson. We struggled against lousy teams, but you saw stretches of good play. We looked very good at times in the first half last week. Let's see if we can build on that with the 'Nova game. Like some others, I'm expecting things to come together with each game. We'll see.

You do realize you are talking about "Norm's recruits" that year and not the 7 "top 75" rated sophs and frosh we have this year?
I am not sure how many of these current recruits will stay 4 years like Norm's considering the rate of transfers, ineligible players and one and doners. St. John' s will never hit that 20 wins plateau without player stability. If we do not sign Jordan AND another Big, we are possibly looking at rebuilding again in year 4........even Norm did not have to do that.

Unfortunately the nature of the beast for today's recruiting landscape...guys leave early...requires time to build up a base that can sustain in the face of defections...Lavin started building from zero...this is year 2 of the rebuilding era...only issue I see is that we should have recruited a PG and big that can rebound....other than that, Norm's recruiting doesnt compare with Lavin..two different worlds

Hahaha. How can you say "besides not having a point guard or center" Lavins recruiting is phenomenal. Last I checked those are kindve important parts to a team.

yes and only two classes recruited...and we lost the 1st PG we recruited (Lindsey) and a 11.5 RPG JUCO forward
 
Cal is not the most scrupulous guy. That said, he would have braught us back to prominance IMO.
 
I hate when people throw around the term "mid major" recklessly without understanding its meaning. Mid major refers to power conference teams as compared with mid level conference and low level conference teams. Thus, you can go 0-32 or whatever and still be a major team. Mid major is a clear label...it's black and white...you are either a mid major or you aren't. Just a major pet peeve of mine. Anyway, is it so much to ask to be ranked at all even if it's #25 within the next few years? You would think at some point we have to strike gold if we keep recruiting high level talent...who knows maybe a 5 star comes here...wasn't Pelle a 5 star? And he committed but forgot he needed to do good enough in school too now he's a mess.
 
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