Projected Conference record

We can beat every team at least once and sweep at least 4 but I think our NCAA hopes will come down to getting to the BE tourney final.
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Let me get this straight, you think we can win "at least" 23 regular season games, at least one more game in the Big East tournament, and our NCAA tournament berth would still then ride on making it to the Big East Tournament final? That is absurd.

We are already #42 in the RPI and #27 in SOS (with a ten 15 projection). 24-8 as a member of the Big East would still leave some doubt in your mind? Really?
 
We can beat every team at least once and sweep at least 4 but I think our NCAA hopes will come down to getting to the BE tourney final.
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Let me get this straight, you think we can win "at least" 23 regular season games, at least one more game in the Big East tournament, and our NCAA tournament berth would still then ride on making it to the Big East Tournament final? That is absurd.

We are already #42 in the RPI and #27 in SOS (with a ten 15 projection). 24-8 as a member of the Big East would still leave some doubt in your mind? Really?
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There will be tons of teams with 23 wins by March and some of those will have wins over high quality opponents. We will likely get our only chance with a win over a nationally ranked team in the Villanova matches. If we were to lose those two games even if we win 24 games we will need to be in the Big East final IMO. I think we will get 4 in the NCAA and 4 in the NIT. Plus or minus 1 in either tourney is a distinct possibility.
 
We can beat every team at least once and sweep at least 4 but I think our NCAA hopes will come down to getting to the BE tourney final.
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Let me get this straight, you think we can win "at least" 23 regular season games, at least one more game in the Big East tournament, and our NCAA tournament berth would still then ride on making it to the Big East Tournament final? That is absurd.

We are already #42 in the RPI and #27 in SOS (with a ten 15 projection). 24-8 as a member of the Big East would still leave some doubt in your mind? Really?
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There will be tons of teams with 23 wins by March and some of those will have wins over high quality opponents. We will likely get our only chance with a win over a nationally ranked team in the Villanova matches. If we were to lose those two games even if we win 24 games we will need to be in the Big East final IMO. I think we will get 4 in the NCAA and 4 in the NIT. Plus or minus 1 in either tourney is a distinct possibility.[/quote

13-5 in the conference with a win in the quarter finals puts us top 3 in the conference by all accounts.
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Just as a matter of perspective, at the moment the Big East has a total of one team ranked in the top 25.

I have two takeaways from that. first, if that doesn't change, then nobody is making the NCAA tournament out of the league unless they either win the league or win a pile of games both in conference and overall. Second, SJU has a whole lot of winnable games on what at the moment looks like the weakest schedule we have played in 25 years or so.
 
Assuming we beat Dartmouth, we will have gone 10-3 in our non conference slate. That's really only 1 off the mark where many people had us at the start of the season. The Wisconsin and Syracuse games were games we hoped we could win, but we were not favored in those and no one here saw us going 12-1 or 13-0 in non conference play. So now we need to take care of business b/c we don't have that "signature" win yet. To me its not so much about the number of victories we need in the Big East, but who they come from. Sweeping Seton Hall and DePaul, won't carry the same weight as sweeping/beating Creighton, Villanova or Georgetown. Xavier is not a must win, but it's a big win if we can get it. Can't wait for Tuesday, let's get it started!
 
We can beat every team at least once and sweep at least 4 but I think our NCAA hopes will come down to getting to the BE tourney final.
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Let me get this straight, you think we can win "at least" 23 regular season games, at least one more game in the Big East tournament, and our NCAA tournament berth would still then ride on making it to the Big East Tournament final? That is absurd.

We are already #42 in the RPI and #27 in SOS (with a ten 15 projection). 24-8 as a member of the Big East would still leave some doubt in your mind? Really?
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No way we're hinging our NCAA Tournament hopes on advancing to the Big East Tournament Final with 23 or 24 wins prior to the conference tourney. If we have 12 or 13 conference wins, then we're going 'dancing.'
 
Just as a matter of perspective, at the moment the Big East has a total of one team ranked in the top 25.

I have two takeaways from that. first, if that doesn't change, then nobody is making the NCAA tournament out of the league unless they either win the league or win a pile of games both in conference and overall. Second, SJU has a whole lot of winnable games on what at the moment looks like the weakest schedule we have played in 25 years or so.
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The @BIGEASTConf has the No. 3 RPI in the nation right now. SOS good but RPI and SOS will improve in league play. RT
 
I see a lot of optimism these days and I can't blame you guys. The way Jordan has been playing is making everyone excited.

My issue is that we have absolutely 0 marquee wins. Nothing even resembles a solid win for a resume. We need to win 11 and also take 1 in the conference tourney. Assuming we win the last non-conf game against _____(I forget but it's a cupcake), that would give us 22 wins. That will be enough, 21 wins with no quality OOC wins to speak of will be dicey.
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Again we are only 1 win behind where we should be. Who honestly realistically expected Wisconsin and Cuse as W's prior to the year. Even if we beat PSU we still don't have that feature win you speak of. If we win a game in conference we shouldn't like a road game against a top half team that should offset the PSU loss and we are right back to where any sensible fan had us. With 2 non conference losses. Right?
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Aim high Moose!! I didn't expect to beat Cuse and Wisconsin but it wasn't ridiculous to hope we'd win one of those big matchups heading into the season. Trust me 21 wins and we will be on the bubble, this isn't your 1 year old son's Big East. The conference isn't strong this year so a top 4 finish is mandatory.
 
I don't think it's a matter of total number of wins, I think it's a matter of how many strong teams there are in league. No way this league is getting 5 bids. Three bids seems like a pretty strong likelihood, with 4 a possibility if the top part of the league is dominant. To that extent, 11 wins probably puts us on the bubble, and 12 wins a bid.
 
I don't think it's a matter of total number of wins, I think it's a matter of how many strong teams there are in league. No way this league is getting 5 bids. Three bids seems like a pretty strong likelihood, with 4 a possibility if the top part of the league is dominant. To that extent, 11 wins probably puts us on the bubble, and 12 wins a bid.
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/new-look-big-east-means-fewer-chances-for-marquee-wins/

I hope the quality of the league can improve in the coming years. But right now 3 to 4 bids would be a good foundation for our first year after we lost so many marquee teams last year
 
I don't think it's a matter of total number of wins, I think it's a matter of how many strong teams there are in league. No way this league is getting 5 bids. Three bids seems like a pretty strong likelihood, with 4 a possibility if the top part of the league is dominant. To that extent, 11 wins probably puts us on the bubble, and 12 wins a bid.
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/new-look-big-east-means-fewer-chances-for-marquee-wins/

I hope the quality of the league can improve in the coming years. But right now 3 to 4 bids would be a good foundation for our first year after we lost so many marquee teams last year
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Three bids would be a disaster. We should be shooting for six bids every year and this year is no exception. We are the third conference in the country in RPI and the OOC schedule is all but closed.

The American Conference will get three bids max, SEC will get get five, Big10 should get EIGHT, Pac12 will get five, the ACC will get six, and we should get five or six. We have seven teams in good shape right now (Providence being the 7th with an RPI of 63 and a 10-3 record). I don't think seven will make it, so it will be a dog fight between Providence and a few other schools. I think the best thing for the conference would be for Marquette to struggle. At 8-5 and with losses to every major conference, the last thing this conference needs is them going on a run and mudding things up in the middle.
 
I see a lot of optimism these days and I can't blame you guys. The way Jordan has been playing is making everyone excited.

My issue is that we have absolutely 0 marquee wins. Nothing even resembles a solid win for a resume. We need to win 11 and also take 1 in the conference tourney. Assuming we win the last non-conf game against _____(I forget but it's a cupcake), that would give us 22 wins. That will be enough, 21 wins with no quality OOC wins to speak of will be dicey.
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Again we are only 1 win behind where we should be. Who honestly realistically expected Wisconsin and Cuse as W's prior to the year. Even if we beat PSU we still don't have that feature win you speak of. If we win a game in conference we shouldn't like a road game against a top half team that should offset the PSU loss and we are right back to where any sensible fan had us. With 2 non conference losses. Right?
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Aim high Moose!! I didn't expect to beat Cuse and Wisconsin but it wasn't ridiculous to hope we'd win one of those big matchups heading into the season. Trust me 21 wins and we will be on the bubble, this isn't your 1 year old son's Big East. The conference isn't strong this year so a top 4 finish is mandatory.
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I don't have a 1yr old son.
 
I don't think it's a matter of total number of wins, I think it's a matter of how many strong teams there are in league. No way this league is getting 5 bids. Three bids seems like a pretty strong likelihood, with 4 a possibility if the top part of the league is dominant. To that extent, 11 wins probably puts us on the bubble, and 12 wins a bid.
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/new-look-big-east-means-fewer-chances-for-marquee-wins/

I hope the quality of the league can improve in the coming years. But right now 3 to 4 bids would be a good foundation for our first year after we lost so many marquee teams last year
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Three bids would be a disaster. We should be shooting for six bids every year and this year is no exception. We are the third conference in the country in RPI and the OOC schedule is all but closed.

The American Conference will get three bids max, SEC will get get five, Big10 should get EIGHT, Pac12 will get five, the ACC will get six, and we should get five or six. We have seven teams in good shape right now (Providence being the 7th with an RPI of 63 and a 10-3 record). I don't think seven will make it, so it will be a dog fight between Providence and a few other schools. I think the best thing for the conference would be for Marquette to struggle. At 8-5 and with losses to every major conference, the last thing this conference needs is them going on a run and mudding things up in the middle.
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Who do you see going? right now I have St Johns, Nova, Creighton, Butler going. Not sure what to make of providence and G'town this year. If we get 5 or 6 that would be awesome but I just dont see it yet. Hopefully I'm wrong. A strong conference is must for recruiting and building a tourney resume.
 
I don't think it's a matter of total number of wins, I think it's a matter of how many strong teams there are in league. No way this league is getting 5 bids. Three bids seems like a pretty strong likelihood, with 4 a possibility if the top part of the league is dominant. To that extent, 11 wins probably puts us on the bubble, and 12 wins a bid.
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/new-look-big-east-means-fewer-chances-for-marquee-wins/

I hope the quality of the league can improve in the coming years. But right now 3 to 4 bids would be a good foundation for our first year after we lost so many marquee teams last year
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Three bids would be a disaster. We should be shooting for six bids every year and this year is no exception. We are the third conference in the country in RPI and the OOC schedule is all but closed.

The American Conference will get three bids max, SEC will get get five, Big10 should get EIGHT, Pac12 will get five, the ACC will get six, and we should get five or six. We have seven teams in good shape right now (Providence being the 7th with an RPI of 63 and a 10-3 record). I don't think seven will make it, so it will be a dog fight between Providence and a few other schools. I think the best thing for the conference would be for Marquette to struggle. At 8-5 and with losses to every major conference, the last thing this conference needs is them going on a run and mudding things up in the middle.
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Granted three bid would be disappointing, but I think we have to earn the 4th. Anything more than that in a 10 team conference that includes DePaul and Seton Hall would be amazing for a first year conference. I think it kind of depends what the aggregate out of conference records are against other major conferences.
 
I think people are really sleeping on Xavier. They have been very good so far. I see Villanova and Creighton going with the next top two maybe three between Georgetown, Butler, St John's, Providence and Xavier. I don't see Marquette getting there this year. I really hope St. John's goes hard for 40 minutes tommorrow as that would be a huge win for their confidence.
 
Seems to me that Butler and Creighton, if they don't fall flat on their faces in the Big East, will be shoe ins based upon past performance.
Villanova is ranked and having a good year and should be in also. After that St.John's, Xavier, Gtown and Marquette will fight for 2 spots in my
opinion unless the conference is upside down.
 
I think we need to go 11-7 in conference (with probably 3 or 4 of those wins being over the likes of Nova, Marquette, Gtown, Creighton) to feel reasonably good about our chances of getting into the Dance. The league just isnt very good this year and there arent many "quality wins" left on our schedule to get. We have the most talent in the conference IMO.
 
I think we need to go 11-7 in conference (with probably 3 or 4 of those wins being over the likes of Nova, Marquette, Gtown, Creighton) to feel reasonably good about our chances of getting into the Dance. The league just isnt very good this year and there arent many "quality wins" left on our schedule to get. We have the most talent in the conference IMO.
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In 2012 9 of 16 Big East teams got bids, which led the country by far (Big Ten and Big 12 had six). What makes you think in the first year of a weaker conference that the Big east will get 5 bids?
 
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