Programs That Produce With Less
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beast of the east
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[quote="Vinny" post=409565]Took Willard 7 years to be relevant in B.E. Two decades later we're still waiting. And some posters lack patience?[/quote]
We fired the previous 2 coaches the season immediately following us getting rare ncaa bids.
McDermott is a really good coach. Many guys at his level jump to really big deals when offered. Most of the time they were unheralded before they had a run at their school. Some never repeat that run of success at the bigger program.
We fired the previous 2 coaches the season immediately following us getting rare ncaa bids.
McDermott is a really good coach. Many guys at his level jump to really big deals when offered. Most of the time they were unheralded before they had a run at their school. Some never repeat that run of success at the bigger program.
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=409573][quote="Vinny" post=409565]Took Willard 7 years to be relevant in B.E. Two decades later we're still waiting. And some posters lack patience?[/quote]
We fired the previous 2 coaches the season immediately following us getting rare ncaa bids.
McDermott is a really good coach. Many guys at his level jump to really big deals when offered. Most of the time they were unheralded before they had a run at their school. Some never repeat that run of success at the bigger program.[/quote]
I thought we fired the previous coaches because they didn’t do their jobs.
We fired the previous 2 coaches the season immediately following us getting rare ncaa bids.
McDermott is a really good coach. Many guys at his level jump to really big deals when offered. Most of the time they were unheralded before they had a run at their school. Some never repeat that run of success at the bigger program.[/quote]
I thought we fired the previous coaches because they didn’t do their jobs.
beast of the east
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[quote="Knight" post=409579][quote="Beast of the East" post=409573][quote="Vinny" post=409565]Took Willard 7 years to be relevant in B.E. Two decades later we're still waiting. And some posters lack patience?[/quote]
We fired the previous 2 coaches the season immediately following us getting rare ncaa bids.
McDermott is a really good coach. Many guys at his level jump to really big deals when offered. Most of the time they were unheralded before they had a run at their school. Some never repeat that run of success at the bigger program.[/quote]
I thought we fired the previous coaches because they didn’t do their jobs.[/quote]
If you recall, after Lavin's final season there was a redmen.com survey about retaining or releasing Lavin. I think 80% of those who answered said to keep him. It wasn't automatic to fire him. I believe the board struggled with paying him that kind of money for modest results. There was some talk of offering him a salary reduction, but I don't know if that was ever presented.
I haven't asked, but Mullin may or may not have been a mutual decision. Certainly he had some personal issues that diverted his attention, but I know he also expressed that he didn't realize that this was a 12 month a year job, with tons of hours spent recruiting like crazy. If it wasn't mutual, I think he was somewhat relieved not to start over in effect, replacing Matt and building a roster that was looking barren.
For both of those coaching regimes, making the NCAAs should have been a stepping stone towards an upwards trajectory. Looking back they were high water marks of the players they recruited, leaving the next coach with nothing.
We fired the previous 2 coaches the season immediately following us getting rare ncaa bids.
McDermott is a really good coach. Many guys at his level jump to really big deals when offered. Most of the time they were unheralded before they had a run at their school. Some never repeat that run of success at the bigger program.[/quote]
I thought we fired the previous coaches because they didn’t do their jobs.[/quote]
If you recall, after Lavin's final season there was a redmen.com survey about retaining or releasing Lavin. I think 80% of those who answered said to keep him. It wasn't automatic to fire him. I believe the board struggled with paying him that kind of money for modest results. There was some talk of offering him a salary reduction, but I don't know if that was ever presented.
I haven't asked, but Mullin may or may not have been a mutual decision. Certainly he had some personal issues that diverted his attention, but I know he also expressed that he didn't realize that this was a 12 month a year job, with tons of hours spent recruiting like crazy. If it wasn't mutual, I think he was somewhat relieved not to start over in effect, replacing Matt and building a roster that was looking barren.
For both of those coaching regimes, making the NCAAs should have been a stepping stone towards an upwards trajectory. Looking back they were high water marks of the players they recruited, leaving the next coach with nothing.
L J S A
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I actually think the totality of Willard's recruiting has largely been scattershot and weird, but he makes it work. I take that as good news for us. We currently aren't scattershot, but there's some weirdness in there. So far it's worked for some kids, not so much for our record.
Kids want to see some wins, not teams giving up 90 ppg. Hopefully we sort out the D quick, because after seeing the current product, the 4 stars that many crave here won't be beating down our door.
Kids want to see some wins, not teams giving up 90 ppg. Hopefully we sort out the D quick, because after seeing the current product, the 4 stars that many crave here won't be beating down our door.
beast of the east
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[quote="L J S A" post=409598]I actually think the totality of Willard's recruiting has largely been scattershot and weird, but he makes it work. I take that as good news for us. We currently aren't scattershot, but there's some weirdness in there. So far it's worked for some kids, not so much for our record.
Kids want to see some wins, not teams giving up 90 ppg. Hopefully we sort out the D quick, because after seeing the current product, the 4 stars that many crave here won't be beating down our door.[/quote]
I think the only thing that matters is winning. IF we are scoring in the 90s and winning, our kids would be happy as hell and so would our fans. Short possessions are enabled by race horse basketball, so high scores are inevitable, winning or losing.
Almost totally unrelated but worth repeating. About 15 years ago, Holy Cross was going up against CTK with zero chance of winning. Their coach came up with a plan. He asked the kids, "Would you rather lose 85-50, or 150-100". The kids all answered immediately, "!50-100". or something like that.
HC played a 3 man zone on defense, with 2 HC players never crossing halfcourt to play defense. Defenders rarely came up to play offense. When CTK scored, HC would fire the ball upcourt quickly and scored many easy uncontested baskets. I forget the final score, but it was in some crazy range like that.
After the game HC coaches were laughing that their kids could have played another game immediately, while CTK kids had their tongues hanging out from trying to chase the HC players upcourt. True story.
Kids want to see some wins, not teams giving up 90 ppg. Hopefully we sort out the D quick, because after seeing the current product, the 4 stars that many crave here won't be beating down our door.[/quote]
I think the only thing that matters is winning. IF we are scoring in the 90s and winning, our kids would be happy as hell and so would our fans. Short possessions are enabled by race horse basketball, so high scores are inevitable, winning or losing.
Almost totally unrelated but worth repeating. About 15 years ago, Holy Cross was going up against CTK with zero chance of winning. Their coach came up with a plan. He asked the kids, "Would you rather lose 85-50, or 150-100". The kids all answered immediately, "!50-100". or something like that.
HC played a 3 man zone on defense, with 2 HC players never crossing halfcourt to play defense. Defenders rarely came up to play offense. When CTK scored, HC would fire the ball upcourt quickly and scored many easy uncontested baskets. I forget the final score, but it was in some crazy range like that.
After the game HC coaches were laughing that their kids could have played another game immediately, while CTK kids had their tongues hanging out from trying to chase the HC players upcourt. True story.
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L J S A
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=409600][
I think the only thing that matters is winning. IF we are scoring in the 90s and winning, our kids would be happy as hell and so would our fans.[/quote]
I don't disagree. If we're winning 100-90, kids won't care about the 90. Problem right now is that we aren't scoring 100. Hopefully points for eventually jump and points against take a nose dive.
I think the only thing that matters is winning. IF we are scoring in the 90s and winning, our kids would be happy as hell and so would our fans.[/quote]
I don't disagree. If we're winning 100-90, kids won't care about the 90. Problem right now is that we aren't scoring 100. Hopefully points for eventually jump and points against take a nose dive.
[quote="TheArtest15" post=409563][quote="Logen" post=409561]Willard was 82-80 in his first 5 seasons at SHU and never finished above 7th in the conference. He made the NIT once in that time. But SHU had the good, old fashioned common sense and discipline to give him TIME to develop a PROGRAM. They understood the importance and need for continuity and stability in that development, an understanding that is sorely lacking by many of the “fans” on this board.[/quote]
I don't think CMA should be fired at all. I think he should be given 4-5 years to see if he can turn this program around and build us into a sustained winner. But why do people keep comparing coaches like Jay Wright and Kevin Willard to CMA? They both were at mid majors before with no prior experience coaching a High major College basketball team like Anderson has. You are confident in Anderson because of his track record right? Questioning other peoples fandom who aren't happy so far with a coach who has a great track record like everyone always brings up, is mind boggling to me.
It took Kelvin Sampson 1 year to turn Houston around. Im not saying that Anderson should be able to do that but I feel a lot of us are not liking what we are seeing so far in year two because we expect a lot from him because of his successful past[/quote]
Where did I compare the two coaches other than to reference time? I get it, you don’t like CMA, but I respectfully suggest you save your agenda driven comments for posters who care about your opinion.
I don't think CMA should be fired at all. I think he should be given 4-5 years to see if he can turn this program around and build us into a sustained winner. But why do people keep comparing coaches like Jay Wright and Kevin Willard to CMA? They both were at mid majors before with no prior experience coaching a High major College basketball team like Anderson has. You are confident in Anderson because of his track record right? Questioning other peoples fandom who aren't happy so far with a coach who has a great track record like everyone always brings up, is mind boggling to me.
It took Kelvin Sampson 1 year to turn Houston around. Im not saying that Anderson should be able to do that but I feel a lot of us are not liking what we are seeing so far in year two because we expect a lot from him because of his successful past[/quote]
Where did I compare the two coaches other than to reference time? I get it, you don’t like CMA, but I respectfully suggest you save your agenda driven comments for posters who care about your opinion.
The vast majority on the board wanted no part of Whitehead because of the Tiny Morton requirement. That saved Willards job but he grew with it and figured out how to get rid of Morton along the way. I was all for the Whitehead deal at the time but in retrospect I am glad we didn’t do it. I am ok with trying to do things the right way now. It’s good for the soul.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=409587][quote="Knight" post=409579][quote="Beast of the East" post=409573][quote="Vinny" post=409565]Took Willard 7 years to be relevant in B.E. Two decades later we're still waiting. And some posters lack patience?[/quote]
We fired the previous 2 coaches the season immediately following us getting rare ncaa bids.
McDermott is a really good coach. Many guys at his level jump to really big deals when offered. Most of the time they were unheralded before they had a run at their school. Some never repeat that run of success at the bigger program.[/quote]
I thought we fired the previous coaches because they didn’t do their jobs.[/quote]
If you recall, after Lavin's final season there was a redmen.com survey about retaining or releasing Lavin. I think 80% of those who answered said to keep him. It wasn't automatic to fire him. I believe the board struggled with paying him that kind of money for modest results. There was some talk of offering him a salary reduction, but I don't know if that was ever presented.
I haven't asked, but Mullin may or may not have been a mutual decision. Certainly he had some personal issues that diverted his attention, but I know he also expressed that he didn't realize that this was a 12 month a year job, with tons of hours spent recruiting like crazy. If it wasn't mutual, I think he was somewhat relieved not to start over in effect, replacing Matt and building a roster that was looking barren.
For both of those coaching regimes, making the NCAAs should have been a stepping stone towards an upwards trajectory. Looking back they were high water marks of the players they recruited, leaving the next coach with nothing.[/quote]
Beast if this is true then the St. John's brain trust did a tremendous job in the interview process of explaining the job requirements to Chris.
We fired the previous 2 coaches the season immediately following us getting rare ncaa bids.
McDermott is a really good coach. Many guys at his level jump to really big deals when offered. Most of the time they were unheralded before they had a run at their school. Some never repeat that run of success at the bigger program.[/quote]
I thought we fired the previous coaches because they didn’t do their jobs.[/quote]
If you recall, after Lavin's final season there was a redmen.com survey about retaining or releasing Lavin. I think 80% of those who answered said to keep him. It wasn't automatic to fire him. I believe the board struggled with paying him that kind of money for modest results. There was some talk of offering him a salary reduction, but I don't know if that was ever presented.
I haven't asked, but Mullin may or may not have been a mutual decision. Certainly he had some personal issues that diverted his attention, but I know he also expressed that he didn't realize that this was a 12 month a year job, with tons of hours spent recruiting like crazy. If it wasn't mutual, I think he was somewhat relieved not to start over in effect, replacing Matt and building a roster that was looking barren.
For both of those coaching regimes, making the NCAAs should have been a stepping stone towards an upwards trajectory. Looking back they were high water marks of the players they recruited, leaving the next coach with nothing.[/quote]
Beast if this is true then the St. John's brain trust did a tremendous job in the interview process of explaining the job requirements to Chris.
[quote="bamafan" post=409629][quote="Beast of the East" post=409587][quote="Knight" post=409579][quote="Beast of the East" post=409573][quote="Vinny" post=409565]Took Willard 7 years to be relevant in B.E. Two decades later we're still waiting. And some posters lack patience?[/quote]
We fired the previous 2 coaches the season immediately following us getting rare ncaa bids.
McDermott is a really good coach. Many guys at his level jump to really big deals when offered. Most of the time they were unheralded before they had a run at their school. Some never repeat that run of success at the bigger program.[/quote]
I thought we fired the previous coaches because they didn’t do their jobs.[/quote]
If you recall, after Lavin's final season there was a redmen.com survey about retaining or releasing Lavin. I think 80% of those who answered said to keep him. It wasn't automatic to fire him. I believe the board struggled with paying him that kind of money for modest results. There was some talk of offering him a salary reduction, but I don't know if that was ever presented.
I haven't asked, but Mullin may or may not have been a mutual decision. Certainly he had some personal issues that diverted his attention, but I know he also expressed that he didn't realize that this was a 12 month a year job, with tons of hours spent recruiting like crazy. If it wasn't mutual, I think he was somewhat relieved not to start over in effect, replacing Matt and building a roster that was looking barren.
For both of those coaching regimes, making the NCAAs should have been a stepping stone towards an upwards trajectory. Looking back they were high water marks of the players they recruited, leaving the next coach with nothing.[/quote]
Beast if this is true then the St. John's brain trust did a tremendous job in the interview process of explaining the job requirements to Chris.[/quote]
I was thinking the same thing. Talk about incompetence!
We fired the previous 2 coaches the season immediately following us getting rare ncaa bids.
McDermott is a really good coach. Many guys at his level jump to really big deals when offered. Most of the time they were unheralded before they had a run at their school. Some never repeat that run of success at the bigger program.[/quote]
I thought we fired the previous coaches because they didn’t do their jobs.[/quote]
If you recall, after Lavin's final season there was a redmen.com survey about retaining or releasing Lavin. I think 80% of those who answered said to keep him. It wasn't automatic to fire him. I believe the board struggled with paying him that kind of money for modest results. There was some talk of offering him a salary reduction, but I don't know if that was ever presented.
I haven't asked, but Mullin may or may not have been a mutual decision. Certainly he had some personal issues that diverted his attention, but I know he also expressed that he didn't realize that this was a 12 month a year job, with tons of hours spent recruiting like crazy. If it wasn't mutual, I think he was somewhat relieved not to start over in effect, replacing Matt and building a roster that was looking barren.
For both of those coaching regimes, making the NCAAs should have been a stepping stone towards an upwards trajectory. Looking back they were high water marks of the players they recruited, leaving the next coach with nothing.[/quote]
Beast if this is true then the St. John's brain trust did a tremendous job in the interview process of explaining the job requirements to Chris.[/quote]
I was thinking the same thing. Talk about incompetence!
The Mullin discussion eases the sting of the recent losses, but makes me cringe to reflect back how poor a hire Mullin was. How little effort he must have put in to understand what the job fully entailed for success before accepting and then thinking it was ok to continue that for four seasons. I get the personal issues, but four years of laziness or inability to do the job is a robbery. I know he loves the game and the players, but this was a job.
All time johnny player, worst coach ever at St. John's
All time johnny player, worst coach ever at St. John's
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[quote="RedStormNC" post=409632]The Mullin discussion eases the sting of the recent losses, but makes me cringe to reflect back how poor a hire Mullin was. How little effort he must have put in to understand what the job entailed for success before accepting and then thinking it was ok to continue that for four seasons. I get the personal issues, but four years of laziness or inability to do the job is a robbery.
All time johnny player, worst coach ever at St. John's[/quote] That sitting on the scorers table the first season was a harbinger of things to come
All time johnny player, worst coach ever at St. John's[/quote] That sitting on the scorers table the first season was a harbinger of things to come
That along with the 90-58 loss to D2, St. Thomas Aquinas, in first exhibition game.
On flip side,, must give credit for the Duke and Villanova wins...those made me smile.
On flip side,, must give credit for the Duke and Villanova wins...those made me smile.
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TheArtest15
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[quote="Logen" post=409609][quote="TheArtest15" post=409563][quote="Logen" post=409561]Willard was 82-80 in his first 5 seasons at SHU and never finished above 7th in the conference. He made the NIT once in that time. But SHU had the good, old fashioned common sense and discipline to give him TIME to develop a PROGRAM. They understood the importance and need for continuity and stability in that development, an understanding that is sorely lacking by many of the “fans” on this board.[/quote]
I don't think CMA should be fired at all. I think he should be given 4-5 years to see if he can turn this program around and build us into a sustained winner. But why do people keep comparing coaches like Jay Wright and Kevin Willard to CMA? They both were at mid majors before with no prior experience coaching a High major College basketball team like Anderson has. You are confident in Anderson because of his track record right? Questioning other peoples fandom who aren't happy so far with a coach who has a great track record like everyone always brings up, is mind boggling to me.
It took Kelvin Sampson 1 year to turn Houston around. Im not saying that Anderson should be able to do that but I feel a lot of us are not liking what we are seeing so far in year two because we expect a lot from him because of his successful past[/quote]
Where did I compare the two coaches other than to reference time? I get it, you don’t like CMA, but I respectfully suggest you save your agenda driven comments for posters who care about your opinion.[/quote]
Why did you pick Willard then? Oh just because I don't like the results and recruiting of our coach I have an "agenda." It really is ridiculous. Why do people get so offended and think people have an agenda or what not if we don't like how the team is playing under this coach or the recruiting. It was the same thing when Mullin was coach, the defenders were appalled by the critiques. I could say the same about the constant "agenda" driven posts by the Anderson enthusiasts after every game who say "I trust in this coach and his proven track record," or when we sign a recruit "this kid looks perfect for our system," "I trust in coach Andersons track record and his eye for talent, he hasn't had a losing season." It goes both ways.
I also never said I didnt like CMA. I think hes a solid enough coach but its a what have you done for me lately business. Because of his track record I expect more from him, and to date hes done nothing to show me that I should have confidence in his recruiting and even some in game coaching.
As ive stated before I coach on Long Island and have friends who coach at major high schools and powerhouses in the city. And I can tell you for a fact that these coaches like CMA as a person but their top kids who we have been in on are wary of playing in his system. They feel like their skills will not be properly showcased for the next level. Just stating facts that I know
I don't think CMA should be fired at all. I think he should be given 4-5 years to see if he can turn this program around and build us into a sustained winner. But why do people keep comparing coaches like Jay Wright and Kevin Willard to CMA? They both were at mid majors before with no prior experience coaching a High major College basketball team like Anderson has. You are confident in Anderson because of his track record right? Questioning other peoples fandom who aren't happy so far with a coach who has a great track record like everyone always brings up, is mind boggling to me.
It took Kelvin Sampson 1 year to turn Houston around. Im not saying that Anderson should be able to do that but I feel a lot of us are not liking what we are seeing so far in year two because we expect a lot from him because of his successful past[/quote]
Where did I compare the two coaches other than to reference time? I get it, you don’t like CMA, but I respectfully suggest you save your agenda driven comments for posters who care about your opinion.[/quote]
Why did you pick Willard then? Oh just because I don't like the results and recruiting of our coach I have an "agenda." It really is ridiculous. Why do people get so offended and think people have an agenda or what not if we don't like how the team is playing under this coach or the recruiting. It was the same thing when Mullin was coach, the defenders were appalled by the critiques. I could say the same about the constant "agenda" driven posts by the Anderson enthusiasts after every game who say "I trust in this coach and his proven track record," or when we sign a recruit "this kid looks perfect for our system," "I trust in coach Andersons track record and his eye for talent, he hasn't had a losing season." It goes both ways.
I also never said I didnt like CMA. I think hes a solid enough coach but its a what have you done for me lately business. Because of his track record I expect more from him, and to date hes done nothing to show me that I should have confidence in his recruiting and even some in game coaching.
As ive stated before I coach on Long Island and have friends who coach at major high schools and powerhouses in the city. And I can tell you for a fact that these coaches like CMA as a person but their top kids who we have been in on are wary of playing in his system. They feel like their skills will not be properly showcased for the next level. Just stating facts that I know
[quote="TheArtest15" post=409640][quote="Logen" post=409609][quote="TheArtest15" post=409563][quote="Logen" post=409561]Willard was 82-80 in his first 5 seasons at SHU and never finished above 7th in the conference. He made the NIT once in that time. But SHU had the good, old fashioned common sense and discipline to give him TIME to develop a PROGRAM. They understood the importance and need for continuity and stability in that development, an understanding that is sorely lacking by many of the “fans” on this board.[/quote]
I don't think CMA should be fired at all. I think he should be given 4-5 years to see if he can turn this program around and build us into a sustained winner. But why do people keep comparing coaches like Jay Wright and Kevin Willard to CMA? They both were at mid majors before with no prior experience coaching a High major College basketball team like Anderson has. You are confident in Anderson because of his track record right? Questioning other peoples fandom who aren't happy so far with a coach who has a great track record like everyone always brings up, is mind boggling to me.
It took Kelvin Sampson 1 year to turn Houston around. Im not saying that Anderson should be able to do that but I feel a lot of us are not liking what we are seeing so far in year two because we expect a lot from him because of his successful past[/quote]
Where did I compare the two coaches other than to reference time? I get it, you don’t like CMA, but I respectfully suggest you save your agenda driven comments for posters who care about your opinion.[/quote]
Why did you pick Willard then? Oh just because I don't like the results and recruiting of our coach I have an "agenda." It really is ridiculous. Why do people get so offended and think people have an agenda or what not if we don't like how the team is playing under this coach or the recruiting. It was the same thing when Mullin was coach, the defenders were appalled by the critiques. I could say the same about the constant "agenda" driven posts by the Anderson enthusiasts after every game who say "I trust in this coach and his proven track record," or when we sign a recruit "this kid looks perfect for our system," "I trust in coach Andersons track record and his eye for talent, he hasn't had a losing season." It goes both ways.
I also never said I didnt like CMA. I think hes a solid enough coach but its a what have you done for me lately business. Because of his track record I expect more from him, and to date hes done nothing to show me that I should have confidence in his recruiting and even some in game coaching.
As ive stated before I coach on Long Island and have friends who coach at major high schools and powerhouses in the city. And I can tell you for a fact that these coaches like CMA as a person but their top kids who we have been in on are wary of playing in his system. They feel like their skills will not be properly showcased for the next level. Just stating facts that I know[/quote]
I have always been of the opinion that if a kid is good enough to play in the NBA he’ll find his way there. With the way scouting is today etc. if a kid has the skills an NBA scouts will find him. I understand the negative issues regarding St. John’s , facilities, lack of recent success, as you say CMA’s style of play, but the reality is if a kid has pro talent playing at any Big East school is not going to hinder their ability to get to the league. I understand St. John’s doesn’t have the Rep it once did but it’s still a Big East school and it’s not Youngstown St. either.
I don't think CMA should be fired at all. I think he should be given 4-5 years to see if he can turn this program around and build us into a sustained winner. But why do people keep comparing coaches like Jay Wright and Kevin Willard to CMA? They both were at mid majors before with no prior experience coaching a High major College basketball team like Anderson has. You are confident in Anderson because of his track record right? Questioning other peoples fandom who aren't happy so far with a coach who has a great track record like everyone always brings up, is mind boggling to me.
It took Kelvin Sampson 1 year to turn Houston around. Im not saying that Anderson should be able to do that but I feel a lot of us are not liking what we are seeing so far in year two because we expect a lot from him because of his successful past[/quote]
Where did I compare the two coaches other than to reference time? I get it, you don’t like CMA, but I respectfully suggest you save your agenda driven comments for posters who care about your opinion.[/quote]
Why did you pick Willard then? Oh just because I don't like the results and recruiting of our coach I have an "agenda." It really is ridiculous. Why do people get so offended and think people have an agenda or what not if we don't like how the team is playing under this coach or the recruiting. It was the same thing when Mullin was coach, the defenders were appalled by the critiques. I could say the same about the constant "agenda" driven posts by the Anderson enthusiasts after every game who say "I trust in this coach and his proven track record," or when we sign a recruit "this kid looks perfect for our system," "I trust in coach Andersons track record and his eye for talent, he hasn't had a losing season." It goes both ways.
I also never said I didnt like CMA. I think hes a solid enough coach but its a what have you done for me lately business. Because of his track record I expect more from him, and to date hes done nothing to show me that I should have confidence in his recruiting and even some in game coaching.
As ive stated before I coach on Long Island and have friends who coach at major high schools and powerhouses in the city. And I can tell you for a fact that these coaches like CMA as a person but their top kids who we have been in on are wary of playing in his system. They feel like their skills will not be properly showcased for the next level. Just stating facts that I know[/quote]
I have always been of the opinion that if a kid is good enough to play in the NBA he’ll find his way there. With the way scouting is today etc. if a kid has the skills an NBA scouts will find him. I understand the negative issues regarding St. John’s , facilities, lack of recent success, as you say CMA’s style of play, but the reality is if a kid has pro talent playing at any Big East school is not going to hinder their ability to get to the league. I understand St. John’s doesn’t have the Rep it once did but it’s still a Big East school and it’s not Youngstown St. either.
L J S A
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[quote="Paultzman" post=409643][quote="salty dog" post=409638]And why not if that is what is needed to get the job done Sour grapes for the misinformed[/quote]
Oh well[/quote]
I've completely lost track. Is he the one who blindly sucks up to Lavin or blindly sucks up to Mullin?
Oh well[/quote]
I've completely lost track. Is he the one who blindly sucks up to Lavin or blindly sucks up to Mullin?
[quote="TheArtest15" post=409640][quote="Logen" post=409609][quote="TheArtest15" post=409563][quote="Logen" post=409561]Willard was 82-80 in his first 5 seasons at SHU and never finished above 7th in the conference. He made the NIT once in that time. But SHU had the good, old fashioned common sense and discipline to give him TIME to develop a PROGRAM. They understood the importance and need for continuity and stability in that development, an understanding that is sorely lacking by many of the “fans” on this board.[/quote]
I don't think CMA should be fired at all. I think he should be given 4-5 years to see if he can turn this program around and build us into a sustained winner. But why do people keep comparing coaches like Jay Wright and Kevin Willard to CMA? They both were at mid majors before with no prior experience coaching a High major College basketball team like Anderson has. You are confident in Anderson because of his track record right? Questioning other peoples fandom who aren't happy so far with a coach who has a great track record like everyone always brings up, is mind boggling to me.
It took Kelvin Sampson 1 year to turn Houston around. Im not saying that Anderson should be able to do that but I feel a lot of us are not liking what we are seeing so far in year two because we expect a lot from him because of his successful past[/quote]
Where did I compare the two coaches other than to reference time? I get it, you don’t like CMA, but I respectfully suggest you save your agenda driven comments for posters who care about your opinion.[/quote]
Why did you pick Willard then? Oh just because I don't like the results and recruiting of our coach I have an "agenda." It really is ridiculous. Why do people get so offended and think people have an agenda or what not if we don't like how the team is playing under this coach or the recruiting. It was the same thing when Mullin was coach, the defenders were appalled by the critiques. I could say the same about the constant "agenda" driven posts by the Anderson enthusiasts after every game who say "I trust in this coach and his proven track record," or when we sign a recruit "this kid looks perfect for our system," "I trust in coach Andersons track record and his eye for talent, he hasn't had a losing season." It goes both ways.
I also never said I didnt like CMA. I think hes a solid enough coach but its a what have you done for me lately business. Because of his track record I expect more from him, and to date hes done nothing to show me that I should have confidence in his recruiting and even some in game coaching.
As ive stated before I coach on Long Island and have friends who coach at major high schools and powerhouses in the city. And I can tell you for a fact that these coaches like CMA as a person but their top kids who we have been in on are wary of playing in his system. They feel like their skills will not be properly showcased for the next level. Just stating facts that I know[/quote]
I picked Willard because he was a topic of discussion on the thread but I guess you didn’t notice. And yes, if you really are a coach and have all these ‘friends in high places” you should be the first person to understand it takes time and that EVERY coach deserves that time. Instead you just spew criticism with your every post. My last comment to you because frankly, I have even less respect for you as a poster now.
I don't think CMA should be fired at all. I think he should be given 4-5 years to see if he can turn this program around and build us into a sustained winner. But why do people keep comparing coaches like Jay Wright and Kevin Willard to CMA? They both were at mid majors before with no prior experience coaching a High major College basketball team like Anderson has. You are confident in Anderson because of his track record right? Questioning other peoples fandom who aren't happy so far with a coach who has a great track record like everyone always brings up, is mind boggling to me.
It took Kelvin Sampson 1 year to turn Houston around. Im not saying that Anderson should be able to do that but I feel a lot of us are not liking what we are seeing so far in year two because we expect a lot from him because of his successful past[/quote]
Where did I compare the two coaches other than to reference time? I get it, you don’t like CMA, but I respectfully suggest you save your agenda driven comments for posters who care about your opinion.[/quote]
Why did you pick Willard then? Oh just because I don't like the results and recruiting of our coach I have an "agenda." It really is ridiculous. Why do people get so offended and think people have an agenda or what not if we don't like how the team is playing under this coach or the recruiting. It was the same thing when Mullin was coach, the defenders were appalled by the critiques. I could say the same about the constant "agenda" driven posts by the Anderson enthusiasts after every game who say "I trust in this coach and his proven track record," or when we sign a recruit "this kid looks perfect for our system," "I trust in coach Andersons track record and his eye for talent, he hasn't had a losing season." It goes both ways.
I also never said I didnt like CMA. I think hes a solid enough coach but its a what have you done for me lately business. Because of his track record I expect more from him, and to date hes done nothing to show me that I should have confidence in his recruiting and even some in game coaching.
As ive stated before I coach on Long Island and have friends who coach at major high schools and powerhouses in the city. And I can tell you for a fact that these coaches like CMA as a person but their top kids who we have been in on are wary of playing in his system. They feel like their skills will not be properly showcased for the next level. Just stating facts that I know[/quote]
I picked Willard because he was a topic of discussion on the thread but I guess you didn’t notice. And yes, if you really are a coach and have all these ‘friends in high places” you should be the first person to understand it takes time and that EVERY coach deserves that time. Instead you just spew criticism with your every post. My last comment to you because frankly, I have even less respect for you as a poster now.
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