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I can see Champ's potential for sure...we saw him really start to be a major player during OOC and we all got excited. Then Big East play came and the players we considered studs looked more like bench players e.g. Roberts, Champ, etc. I'm sure they will get better each year, but I think JC is a decent, not great player at least right now. You can't rely on him to consistently take games over and carry any kind of load. His 3 pt shot was falling early in OOC but now it's down to 27% which is very bad let's be real. He's a very good rebounder but if he doesn't improve drastically shooting, he's a bench player on a good Big East team IMO. Nothing wrong with being sober about things. It is what it is.
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=376444][quote="Eric" post=376408][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=376405]Julian champaignie is waaaaaay overated on this board. Hes the new greg williams for johnnies fans. Hes on ok players by has no offensive game and its getting worse.

I like champaignie but hes no more then a 7th or 8th guy on the roster. A role player.[/quote]

Actually Duke, I think you have waaay overated the Duke on this board. I like him but listening to you he can do no wrong. I like Julian as well and look forward to both their continued progress[/quote]

The duke just dropped a 25 burger on creighton. Probably not the right time to say I overrate him.[/quote]

Wow. Basing it off that one game. Ok. Listen, we all like our players especially after they play well. I did notice you did get quiet during a bad stretch of games for your “duke”. Btw. Julian has been playing pretty steady well lately after a nice start and shaky middle. The gtown game I was at he looked real good. What’s the point of beating down a nice piece for us. Julian has a pretty good future for us. Enjoy him. Duke is not the only guy you can root for you know. I enjoy both of them without knocking either of them.
 
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[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=376444][quote="Eric" post=376408][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=376405]Julian champaignie is waaaaaay overated on this board. Hes the new greg williams for johnnies fans. Hes on ok players by has no offensive game and its getting worse.

I like champaignie but hes no more then a 7th or 8th guy on the roster. A role player.[/quote]

Actually Duke, I think you have waaay overated the Duke on this board. I like him but listening to you he can do no wrong. I like Julian as well and look forward to both their continued progress[/quote]

The duke just dropped a 25 burger on creighton. Probably not the right time to say I overrate him.[/quote]

As a fan of both players, I'm excited to see if Earlington can make the jump from occasionally having a big game to being a cornerstone player as an upperclassmen. He's exceeded expectation by miles this year and still has room to grow as a player. But so has/does Champangnie. If you aren't equally excited about seeing how he develops the next 3 years then I don't know what to tell you. He is LIGHT YEARS ahead of where Earlington was at this point in his freshman year. There is absolutely nothing to be down on him about at this point in his career. He's averaging 8.5pts, 6.3 boards on 46% shooting as a 3* recruit playing as a true freshman in the best conference in the country.

"The best thing about Freshmen is they become Sophomores..."
- Al McGuire
 
Some of these critiques of Champagnie are going to look kind of silly when he is named to the all freshman team in one of the top conferences in the country which appears extremely likely. Only two kids that would look to be ahead of him are Robinson & Moore from Nova.
 
Fans are confusing Julian with his brother Justin.

Julian is primarily a defensive player. He had 8 rebounds and 3 assists against Creighton. He can score too but that's never been his game.

Justin is the Champagnie that shoots well. He's doing great at Pittsburgh. I'd guess that his coaches don't expect a lot of rebounds from Justin.

Honestly, I'm glad Julian choose St John's. His shooting can improve with coaching and game experience. Defensive players thrive in Anderson's system. He loves players that hustle and leaves it all on the floor. I see Julian eventually filling LJ's role. LJ is at his best rebounding and scoring off the glass.

The twins discuss their differences in this interview.
https://nypost.com/2020/02/05/justin-and-julian-champagnie-find-success-apart-for-first-time/
 
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I love what Julian's brought to the table. I also think he will get better, since he's already better then he was at the start of the season.

If he was on a winning team, he'd be considered "the difference", the type of blue-collar guy who transforms good teams, into great ones. Unfortunately, we don't have enough around him to allow for this to happen, not right now, anyway.
 
I like both Justin and Marcellus. If Posh adjusts quickly to the college game both will improve. Julian is a Freshman and he has played like a Freshman at times with his inconsistency. I like his rebounding potential and inside game. He obviously needs work on his outside shot but at least there is a base to improve on. Earlington plays hard. Against a small team like Creighton he will have a much easier time scoring but with a better point guard and continued improvement will be a useful player imo.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=376453]I can see Champ's potential for sure...we saw him really start to be a major player during OOC and we all got excited. Then Big East play came and the players we considered studs looked more like bench players e.g. Roberts, Champ, etc. I'm sure they will get better each year, but I think JC is a decent, not great player at least right now. You can't rely on him to consistently take games over and carry any kind of load. His 3 pt shot was falling early in OOC but now it's down to 27% which is very bad let's be real. He's a very good rebounder but if he doesn't improve drastically shooting, he's a bench player on a good Big East team IMO. Nothing wrong with being sober about things. It is what it is.[/quote]

Agreed
 
[quote="Andrew" post=376470]I like both Justin and Marcellus. If Posh adjusts quickly to the college game both will improve. Julian is a Freshman and he has played like a Freshman at times with his inconsistency. I like his rebounding potential and inside game. He obviously needs work on his outside shot but at least there is a base to improve on. Earlington plays hard. Against a small team like Creighton he will have a much easier time scoring but with a better point guard and continued improvement will be a useful player imo.[/quote]

Put a couple of shooters on the floor with him and you'll get better spacing. That will open up that 15 footer he's been canning on a regular basis lately. He's also hitting 80% from the charity stripe. Kid is going to be a terrific 4 year player for us.
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=376477][quote="Mike Zaun" post=376453]I can see Champ's potential for sure...we saw him really start to be a major player during OOC and we all got excited. Then Big East play came and the players we considered studs looked more like bench players e.g. Roberts, Champ, etc. I'm sure they will get better each year, but I think JC is a decent, not great player at least right now. You can't rely on him to consistently take games over and carry any kind of load. His 3 pt shot was falling early in OOC but now it's down to 27% which is very bad let's be real. He's a very good rebounder but if he doesn't improve drastically shooting, he's a bench player on a good Big East team IMO. Nothing wrong with being sober about things. It is what it is.[/quote]

Agreed[/quote]

1) he's a freshman, they are inconsistent and they tend to run out of gas over their 1st year at this level.
2) 27% isn't good from deep. But he's shooting 46% from the floor overall, DESPITE bad shooting from long range. He's shooting 53% inside the arc. If he gets better from deep, great...but at the very least he'll need to cut down on the bombs if he doesn't improve in that area. That would make him an extremely efficient scorer. Something this team needs going forward.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=376453]I can see Champ's potential for sure...we saw him really start to be a major player during OOC and we all got excited. Then Big East play came and the players we considered studs looked more like bench players e.g. Roberts, Champ, etc. I'm sure they will get better each year, but I think JC is a decent, not great player at least right now. You can't rely on him to consistently take games over and carry any kind of load. His 3 pt shot was falling early in OOC but now it's down to 27% which is very bad let's be real. He's a very good rebounder but if he doesn't improve drastically shooting, he's a bench player on a good Big East team IMO. Nothing wrong with being sober about things. It is what it is.[/quote]

He’s a freshman.

If he can improve his 3PT shooting by 5% over the next 3 years that’d be great.

Myles Powell shoots 32% for example. I believe JC will continue to get better as most college freshman do.
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=376405]Julian champaignie is waaaaaay overated on this board. Hes the new greg williams for johnnies fans. Hes on ok players by has no offensive game and its getting worse.

I like champaignie but hes no more then a 7th or 8th guy on the roster. A role player.[/quote

Duke, just wait until his third year, he'll improve next year, but as a junior this kid will be really good.
 
Do you guys remember Lavor Postell? He was a very good player for us, and a leader on the first two Jarvis teams that were so good. He was an unheralded recruit (by Mahoney, originally) and in his freshman year he averaged 5.6 ppg, 3.3rpg, and 2.2apg on Fraschilla's first team that went 13-14. Nothing overwhelming, but he showed some flashes. I think Champ could end up having a career like Postell had. His freshman year is better statistically, and he seems to have that head-down, nose-to-the-grindstone attitude that Postell had. And he has a nose for the ball like Postell had.
 
Postell was not as big as Champ but was much quicker and someone with his style of play and talent would be a dream for Anderson.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=376531][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=376477][quote="Mike Zaun" post=376453]I can see Champ's potential for sure...we saw him really start to be a major player during OOC and we all got excited. Then Big East play came and the players we considered studs looked more like bench players e.g. Roberts, Champ, etc. I'm sure they will get better each year, but I think JC is a decent, not great player at least right now. You can't rely on him to consistently take games over and carry any kind of load. His 3 pt shot was falling early in OOC but now it's down to 27% which is very bad let's be real. He's a very good rebounder but if he doesn't improve drastically shooting, he's a bench player on a good Big East team IMO. Nothing wrong with being sober about things. It is what it is.[/quote]

Agreed[/quote]

1) he's a freshman, they are inconsistent and they tend to run out of gas over their 1st year at this level.
2) 27% isn't good from deep. But he's shooting 46% from the floor overall, DESPITE bad shooting from long range. He's shooting 53% inside the arc. If he gets better from deep, great...but at the very least he'll need to cut down on the bombs if he doesn't improve in that area. That would make him an extremely efficient scorer. Something this team needs going forward.[/quote]
Julian has been very good inside 15 feet all year and is good from FT line.
 
We have a lot of players on this team that would be at best bench players on most BE teams it we do not or are unable to get we will stay at the bottom
 
[quote="RedmanMike" post=376588]Do you guys remember Lavor Postell? He was a very good player for us, and a leader on the first two Jarvis teams that were so good. He was an unheralded recruit (by Mahoney, originally) and in his freshman year he averaged 5.6 ppg, 3.3rpg, and 2.2apg on Fraschilla's first team that went 13-14. Nothing overwhelming, but he showed some flashes. I think Champ could end up having a career like Postell had. His freshman year is better statistically, and he seems to have that head-down, nose-to-the-grindstone attitude that Postell had. And he has a nose for the ball like Postell had.[/quote]

Thought he was recruited by Fran and thought he was a top 75-100 kid. Fran brought in so much high ranked talented that Postell almost seemed like an afterthought, but if I remember correctly he was highly thought of coming out of high school. Granted it took him a few years to get going, much like SirDom.
 
Would like to see us play mostly a seven man rotation tonight of Figgy, Champ, Dunn, Williams, Earlington, Roberts and Rutherford and press the heck out of PC. Use Sears in very limited minutes against the PC bigs and Caraher to take open threes against the zone they will no doubt throw at us. We can beat PC if we play with a high level of energy, turn them over and make them shoot from the outside.
 
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