(PRE-GAME) (MSG) DePaul, Sat. Jan. 11, Noon, FSN (YES) / 970 NYM

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[quote="Logen" post=371665][quote="fuchsia" post=371655]What we don't have is upperclassmen who came up in Coach Anderson's system to provide on-court leadership and maintain a particular team culture.[/quote]

The most salient and insightful comment in the thread.[/quote]

I feel this is an extremely important when deploying a system as CMA does. The vocal coordination needed on D is critical when just playing normal man2man... when pressing and trapping and rotating...experience is key.

He did have success (winning record) in his first year at UAB/Mizzou/Ark... but think that speaks more to the current roster and natural competitiveness of the BE.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=371699]Johnnies 4 point favorite tomorrow[/quote]

And at 68.2% on BPI. So, Wednesday's game knocked their percentage down a bit, but not too much.
 
[quote="CMA TIME" post=371706]realtimerpi: SJU 78 DePaul 70
How do they predict sju scoring almost 80 when they can't shoot?[/quote]

Maybe they expect DePaul to turn the ball over under pressure and us scoring easy baskets in transition. Although we miss a ton of bunnies also
 
Just kind of amazes me how quickly we decide Heron can't turn things around. His three year stats at the high major level (SEC is at least as good as BE) are amazingly consistent (in order from freshman through junior year): MPG - 28, 29, 32; PPG - 15, 16, 15; FG% - 44, 44, 44; 3p% - 42, 33, 40; FT% - 77, 80, 75; rebounds - 5, 5, 6.
Agree, he has been bad and lacking confidence for last several games, but to imply he doesn't have talent to bounce back ignores a very proven track record. Perhaps, as Dink says, he could use a hypnotist and change in position, but let's not turn so quickly on a Johnnie with a proven track record. These kids bleed Johnnie red as much or more than we do.
 
We are not going to have the advantage against anybody,unless something like a miracle happens wining R4 games in confr will be hard sure hope I am wrong
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=371722]Just kind of amazes me how quickly we decide Heron can't turn things around. His three year stats at the high major level (SEC is at least as good as BE) are amazingly consistent (in order from freshman through junior year): MPG - 28, 29, 32; PPG - 15, 16, 15; FG% - 44, 44, 44; 3p% - 42, 33, 40; FT% - 77, 80, 75; rebounds - 5, 5, 6.
Agree, he has been bad and lacking confidence for last several games, but to imply he doesn't have talent to bounce back ignores a very proven track record. Perhaps, as Dink says, he could use a hypnotist and change in position, but let's not turn so quickly on a Johnnie with a proven track record. These kids bleed Johnnie red as much or more than we do.[/quote]

Its because we saw heron bomb in last years play in game and now its continuing this year. This is not a 2 game thing.
 
NCJohnnie Wrote: Just kind of amazes me how quickly we decide Heron can't turn things around. His three year stats at the high major level (SEC is at least as good as BE) are amazingly consistent (in order from freshman through junior year): MPG - 28, 29, 32; PPG - 15, 16, 15; FG% - 44, 44, 44; 3p% - 42, 33, 40; FT% - 77, 80, 75; rebounds - 5, 5, 6.
Agree, he has been bad and lacking confidence for last several games, but to imply he doesn't have talent to bounce back ignores a very proven track record. Perhaps, as Dink says, he could use a hypnotist and change in position, but let's not turn so quickly on a Johnnie with a proven track record. These kids bleed Johnnie red as much or more than we do.

It seems to me that what people have forgotten most is that Heron is coming off an injury. Look at the dropoff of production for Saquon Barkley with a similar type of injury this fall.. Barkley was injured September 22nd and did not even begin to approach his previous form until December.

Heron was injured on December 10th and has been back for less than a week. High ankle sprains effect so many different things that you do on the court. I am sure Heron is playing at well less than one hundred percent and like Barkley his subsequent performances need to be seen through that lens. Patience is a very important element to put these things in its proper perspective. Here is hoping that Heron continues to mend and finds his best groove over time.

In the meantime I will be patient with Heron and the whole team as this season unfolds. In the end we are a work in progress and the season will have its highs and its lows as we move forward. I believe judging things prematurely makes no sense considering the depths we are trying to rise from..
 
[quote="ghostzapper" post=371731]NCJohnnie Wrote: Just kind of amazes me how quickly we decide Heron can't turn things around. His three year stats at the high major level (SEC is at least as good as BE) are amazingly consistent (in order from freshman through junior year): MPG - 28, 29, 32; PPG - 15, 16, 15; FG% - 44, 44, 44; 3p% - 42, 33, 40; FT% - 77, 80, 75; rebounds - 5, 5, 6.
Agree, he has been bad and lacking confidence for last several games, but to imply he doesn't have talent to bounce back ignores a very proven track record. Perhaps, as Dink says, he could use a hypnotist and change in position, but let's not turn so quickly on a Johnnie with a proven track record. These kids bleed Johnnie red as much or more than we do.

It seems to me that what people have forgotten most is that Heron is coming off an injury. Look at the dropoff of production for Saquon Barkley with a similar type of injury this fall.. Barkley was injured September 22nd and did not even begin to approach his previous form until December.

Heron was injured on December 10th and has been back for less than a week. High ankle sprains effect so many different things that you do on the court. I am sure Heron is playing at well less than one hundred percent and like Barkley his subsequent performances need to be seen through that lens. Patience is a very important element to put these things in its proper perspective. Here is hoping that Heron continues to mend and finds his best groove over time.

In the meantime I will be patient with Heron and the whole team as this season unfolds. In the end we are a work in progress and the season will have its highs and its lows as we move forward. I believe judging things prematurely makes no sense considering the depths we are trying to rise from..[/quote]

Good post except I’m pretty sure Heron didn’t suffer a high ankle sprain.
 
Time to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, shake out the cobwebs, get back on the horse, pull up our socks, hitch up our pants, tuck in our shirts, tighten our belts, lace up our sneakers, reroup, recover, reinforce, climb back on the horse, get off the schneid, step up to the plate, keep our eye on the ball, rebound, make our freebies, out hustle, out muscle, protect our house... JUST WIN BABY!!
 
[quote="ghostzapper" post=371731]NCJohnnie Wrote: Just kind of amazes me how quickly we decide Heron can't turn things around. His three year stats at the high major level (SEC is at least as good as BE) are amazingly consistent (in order from freshman through junior year): MPG - 28, 29, 32; PPG - 15, 16, 15; FG% - 44, 44, 44; 3p% - 42, 33, 40; FT% - 77, 80, 75; rebounds - 5, 5, 6.
Agree, he has been bad and lacking confidence for last several games, but to imply he doesn't have talent to bounce back ignores a very proven track record. Perhaps, as Dink says, he could use a hypnotist and change in position, but let's not turn so quickly on a Johnnie with a proven track record. These kids bleed Johnnie red as much or more than we do.

It seems to me that what people have forgotten most is that Heron is coming off an injury. Look at the dropoff of production for Saquon Barkley with a similar type of injury this fall.. Barkley was injured September 22nd and did not even begin to approach his previous form until December.

Heron was injured on December 10th and has been back for less than a week. High ankle sprains effect so many different things that you do on the court. I am sure Heron is playing at well less than one hundred percent and like Barkley his subsequent performances need to be seen through that lens. Patience is a very important element to put these things in its proper perspective. Here is hoping that Heron continues to mend and finds his best groove over time.

In the meantime I will be patient with Heron and the whole team as this season unfolds. In the end we are a work in progress and the season will have its highs and its lows as we move forward. I believe judging things prematurely makes no sense considering the depths we are trying to rise from..[/quote]

Its not just the injury though. When he was healthy he had no problem dropping 25 against the little sisters of the poor but against our big games vs VT and WVU, he shot 3-11 and 2-12. Did the same thing in the play in game last year.

The reason people are down on heron is because of his poor play in big games. That all happen before the injury.
 
He has come up big before here and at Auburn, I'm not going to kick him while he is down, I am going lend a hand to pick him up by supporting and cheering for him till he gets right. I believe in his talent, he believes in St Johns. He hasn't sulked, he will be back. Today is as good a day as any
 
Heron seems like a very good kid, but it cannot be argued that on the court he has been a disappointment and not met expectations since transferring here. Hope his production down the stretch can match the potential.
 
This was Heron’s scouting report before he started college. I think it would be pretty accurate today.
Strengths:
Heron is a strong and durable lefty wing with terrific endurance. He has a physical style on both ends of the floor and yet can still play all day without showing signs of fatigue. He's a high level defender, capable of locking up on the perimeter, and also a very good perimeter rebounder. Offensively, he handles the ball very well for a bigger perimeter player and projects as a valuable secondary ball-handler and potentially bigger second guard at the next level. He seeks out contact when attacking off the dribble and consequently gets himself to the free-throw line in high volume and can be a major threat when allowed to accelerate with the ball in the open court. He has a high release on his jump shot so that he doesn't need much space to get off his pull-up or three-ball.
Weaknesses:
Heron is at his best as a big and physical wing, but he gets too caught up in trying to be a primary ball-handler at times and can become turnover prone as a result. As a driver, he's often able to get into the paint and draw contact but needs to learn how to better leverage his body as a finisher and could definitely make use of some type of spin or other secondary move to better deal with rotating weak-side defenders. He's an improved shooter, but still relatively streaky. He'll make a fair share of open shots with room and rhythm but isn't going to make nearly as many on the move or with a hand in his face.
Bottom Line:
He's an exceptional talent in the 2016 class who impacts the game in an abundance of ways. He's an elite defender, perimeter rebounder and physical presence on the wing. He's a good, not great, scorer who can put points up from various spots on the floor but lacks one dominant weapon.
 
Heron has three years of college playing experience and his game hasn't significantly improved?

He's had the benefit of playing for three coaching staffs.

I hope Heron's not banking on a long pro career. Maybe he should consider graduate school and play another year?

Anyway, let's hope Heron has a great game against DePaul. He may get a lot of open shots against this BE opponent. Heron needs a great game to restore his confidence.

I still believe Heron is an important leader and scorer for the Johnnies.
 
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Can’t punish the players too much after all there is a talent missing in most. Yes coach can try to motivate them but bottom line is he needs to bring better players in. This yr will not be one to show much improvement in conf. We all would like them to come out of this terrible shooting but is it possible
 
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