(PRE-GAME) @Georgetown (CAP ONE), Wed. Jan. 8, 6:30p, FS-1 / 970 AM

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[quote="weathermannyc" post=371002]The Hoyas commit a turnover on 20.2% of their possessions so far this season. That, with a short bench does create an opportunity to wear them down both mentally and physically. As some have mentioned, it may not be a bad idea to force the issue on drives (within reason) to see if you can induce ole' defense or foul trouble.

We will likely be about a 5 point dog, but I think this is really good opportunity to steal one.[/quote]

I agree with everything weatherman says here. Press the hell out of them and drive early and often. When they slow our break down and we're forced to play half court offense (not our strength to say the least) we should see lots of isolation for Dunn in the first half so he can penetrate. Also whoever McClung is guarding (even if it's not our best offensive weapon) should be taking the ball to the rim. Hoyas are not deep and really have very little offense outside of McClung and Yurtseven but those two are both capable of going off. Very big game for both teams.
 
I think we are being underestimated. I'm figuring their short bench yields us a double digit victory.
 
[quote="weathermannyc" post=371002]The Hoyas commit a turnover on 20.2% of their possessions so far this season. That, with a short bench does create an opportunity to wear them down both mentally and physically. As some have mentioned, it may not be a bad idea to force the issue on drives (within reason) to see if you can induce ole' defense or foul trouble.

We will likely be about a 5 point dog, but I think this is really good opportunity to steal one.[/quote]

I'll bet the house if SJU is a 5 point dog. Easiest bet all season.
 
Critical to go at least 3-3 in the next 6. Going to be challenging regardless, but path to respectable conference record gets challenging if we don't get back to 3-5 in what is by far our most favorable stretch of scheduling in BE play.

Getting the next 2 would go a long way and take a little pressure off that @PC game.

Defenses going to continue to key on LJ and Heron clearly, and they are going to have to play through to provide total production even if the efficiency isn't there.

This stretch was bound to come for Champagnie and he just needs to stay the course. His production along with Dunn's critical offensively.

Not sure if something was already reported on Steere or if they are just easing him in, but clearly he needs to be part of this if we are going to rack up some wins in conference play.

Caraher's role needs reduction, just don't see it at this level more than spot minutes.

Champagnie, Dunn, Rutherford, and GWJ have to continue to take the wide open 3. Team has already proven it can win / be competitive with next to no 3 point shooting, so anything we get is additive and if we get tentative when already left unguarded at the 3 line it only exacerbates issue.

Similar to Heron / LJ production, with our lack of any real offense that isn't transition + ability to turn teams over, this year is less about efficiency and more about finding a way to total production.

Get all over GT from the start and make this uncomfortable game for 40.
 
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[quote="SJU1512" post=371038]Critical to go at least 3-3 in the next 6. Going to be challenging regardless, but path to respectable conference record gets challenging if we don't get back to 3-5 in what is by far our most favorable stretch of scheduling in BE play.

Getting the next 2 would go a long way and take a little pressure off that @PC game.

Defenses going to continue to key on LJ and Heron clearly, and they are going to have to play through to provide total production even if the efficiency isn't there.

This stretch was bound to come for Champagnie and he just needs to stay the course. His production along with Dunn's critical offensively.

Not sure if something was already reported on Steere or if they are just easing him in, but clearly he needs to be part of this if we are going to rack up some wins in conference play.

Caraher's role needs reduction, just don't see it at this level more than spot minutes.

Champagnie, Dunn, Rutherford, and GWJ have to continue to take the wide open 3. Team has already proven it can win / be competitive with next to no 3 point shooting, so anything we get is additive and if we get tentative when already left unguarded at the 3 line it only exacerbates issue.

Similar to Heron / LJ production, with our lack of any real offense that isn't transition + ability to turn teams over, this year is less about efficiency and more about finding a way to total production.

Get all over GT from the start and make this uncomfortable game for 40.[/quote]

I have to agree on caraher. if he cant knock down jumpers he does not provide much.

Im finding the duke 30 minutes a night as well. it will come at the price of champaignie's minutes but it has to happen.
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=371041][quote="SJU1512" post=371038]Critical to go at least 3-3 in the next 6. Going to be challenging regardless, but path to respectable conference record gets challenging if we don't get back to 3-5 in what is by far our most favorable stretch of scheduling in BE play.

Getting the next 2 would go a long way and take a little pressure off that @PC game.

Defenses going to continue to key on LJ and Heron clearly, and they are going to have to play through to provide total production even if the efficiency isn't there.

This stretch was bound to come for Champagnie and he just needs to stay the course. His production along with Dunn's critical offensively.

Not sure if something was already reported on Steere or if they are just easing him in, but clearly he needs to be part of this if we are going to rack up some wins in conference play.

Caraher's role needs reduction, just don't see it at this level more than spot minutes.

Champagnie, Dunn, Rutherford, and GWJ have to continue to take the wide open 3. Team has already proven it can win / be competitive with next to no 3 point shooting, so anything we get is additive and if we get tentative when already left unguarded at the 3 line it only exacerbates issue.

Similar to Heron / LJ production, with our lack of any real offense that isn't transition + ability to turn teams over, this year is less about efficiency and more about finding a way to total production.

Get all over GT from the start and make this uncomfortable game for 40.[/quote]

I have to agree on caraher. if he cant knock down jumpers he does not provide much.

Im finding the duke 30 minutes a night as well. it will come at the price of champaignie's minutes but it has to happen.[/quote]

Earlington looked gassed in the second half of the last game. We need him near the rim, not on the outside.
 
[quote="Knight" post=371044][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=371041][quote="SJU1512" post=371038]Critical to go at least 3-3 in the next 6. Going to be challenging regardless, but path to respectable conference record gets challenging if we don't get back to 3-5 in what is by far our most favorable stretch of scheduling in BE play.

Getting the next 2 would go a long way and take a little pressure off that @PC game.

Defenses going to continue to key on LJ and Heron clearly, and they are going to have to play through to provide total production even if the efficiency isn't there.

This stretch was bound to come for Champagnie and he just needs to stay the course. His production along with Dunn's critical offensively.

Not sure if something was already reported on Steere or if they are just easing him in, but clearly he needs to be part of this if we are going to rack up some wins in conference play.

Caraher's role needs reduction, just don't see it at this level more than spot minutes.

Champagnie, Dunn, Rutherford, and GWJ have to continue to take the wide open 3. Team has already proven it can win / be competitive with next to no 3 point shooting, so anything we get is additive and if we get tentative when already left unguarded at the 3 line it only exacerbates issue.

Similar to Heron / LJ production, with our lack of any real offense that isn't transition + ability to turn teams over, this year is less about efficiency and more about finding a way to total production.

Get all over GT from the start and make this uncomfortable game for 40.[/quote]

I have to agree on caraher. if he cant knock down jumpers he does not provide much.

Im finding the duke 30 minutes a night as well. it will come at the price of champaignie's minutes but it has to happen.[/quote]

Earlington looked gassed in the second half of the last game. We need him near the rim, not on the outside.[/quote]

He was gassed. But now he is used to it. he will be fine.
 
I’d disagree on a reduction for Caraher. Always boxes out on defense and constantly moves on offense. Makes the smart pass as well. Though not a spot up shooter (we get it Logan), aside from Heron and LJ, do we have more faith in anyone else to hit an open look?
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=371048]I’d disagree on a reduction for Caraher. Always boxes out on defense and constantly moves on offense. Makes the smart pass as well. Though not a spot up shooter (we get it Logan), aside from Heron and LJ, do we have more faith in anyone else to hit an open look?[/quote]

Absolutely. Carraher is one of a few guys on this team who can shoot over 30% from three. Has to play.
 
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I agree that Caraher has to play. The only game he looked especially bad in to me was the Arizona game. I don't think we have enough offense to not be using one of the few guys we have who looks like he has a knack for scoring. He knows how to get a bucket and plays team ball. Also he's already playing less than everyone aside from Sears and now Steere. Do people want him glued to the bench?
 
The problem with playing Caraher is that you sacrifice something with the pressure defense which is right now the only offense SJU has. If he shot in the high forties from the floor and in the high thirties from three he should be out there but if the staff don't feel he is capable of that Williams should get those minutes because of his quickness on the defensive end.
 
In the great Redmen.com tradition of shoulding on one another, I think we should have one person at wing who works with Earlington to develop a set of pick and roll tandem offensive sets. It means whoever it is learning to shoot in rhythm and take advantage of Earlington learning two additional low post offensive moves, each with a counter move for when defenses overplay and the two of them forcing half court defenses to adapt to us. While we're at it, it would be nice to have a Don Nelson type trailer on the fast break who can hit a three.
 
Agree issue with Caraher is not on offense. Smarts/effort there both ways. But has been getting destroyed defensively. We don't just lose a little bit on the pressure, but as the individual talent level on opposition has increased teams are targeting him in the half court. Unfortunately an easy guy to mismatch via switch because he can't really guard small or big. Sort of a tweener. X really exploited.

He really has to provide something besides solid play offensively to offset that, hasn't been there unfortunately. Hopefully develops, staff seems to like him and easy guy to root for. If he could get 3% up into even mid 30s it's a different analysis, imagine that's the potential staff sees and wants to see if they can get out of him more regularly. Would be a difference maker for 15-20 per game.
 
Per Zach B
St. John's opens as a five-point underdog tomorrow at Georgetown. #sjubb
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=371068]Per Zach B
St. John's opens as a five-point underdog tomorrow at Georgetown. #sjubb[/quote]

I know we're 0-2, but does this seem odd to anyone but me?
 
Let’s just go out and beat them/. We are capable. Will certainly need to see some Steere tomorrow even if for a big body and fouls, with their big guy. He’s excellent.
 
That first Big East win is crucial, especially for teams projected to be at the bottom of the league. The longer it goes, the tighter players get. Confidence is lost. it doesn't help that their are no free squares out there. Every win has to be earned, especially for a team that can't have an off night on defense. Our guys need that win soon.
 
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