(PRE-GAME) @Creighton, Sat. Feb. 8, 6p, CBS SN / 570AM WMCA

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[quote="Monte" post=375912][quote="CMA TIME" post=375910][quote="James Ray Lamb" post=375891]Creighton isn't invincible. They're 6-4 in the conference. Tied with Butler, Marquette & Providence.

Wed, Creighton got whipped 56-73 by Providence.

The Johnnies are rested and should be prepared. I'm not confident they'll win. It should be a competitive and hard fought game. It ain't over till the fat lady sings. :lol: It's basketball and there's always a chance for a upset.

Go Johnnies![/quote]

Yawnnn. 91-63 Creighton
Will be out the town for the weekend, and leaving phone home, don't even want to be tempted to look at the scoreboard, or come on here, as I'm sure this board will be depressing at 8pm Saturday.[/quote]

I’m already depressed after reading your post :)[/quote]

sorry but it is what it is.
 
As Vince Lombardi said "winning is everything ". It is no fun when you lose, your miserable and all you think about is how you lost for days. I see no hope. I don't like the system that allows open 3point shots, gets outrebounded, ices the ball when we are ahead and the list goes on.
It was fun to see the soccer team win last year and the baseball always has a winning team. It is hard for me to watch this team ,especially when we blow big leads. I give up.
 
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I'll give it 2 more years to get more talent here before judging the 40 minutes of hell gimmick, but so far it's allowing wide open 3's all game every game. Before the Nova game I said they would rain 3's and people told me they aren't that great at 3's. We make every team look like they have a bunch of shooters. If this gimmick doesn't work after getting more talent, can we please get a coach who understands half court sets and spacing like Nova? I'm not calling for CMA's head so don't twist my words, it's still early. But if after 3 yrs it is not effective, the only other thing to try is a young hungry coach from a top mid major that knows how to run plays and has a half court offense and a defense that will at least contest most 3's. 2021 recruiting class will make or break CMA.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=375919]I'll give it 2 more years to get more talent here before judging the 40 minutes of hell gimmick, but so far it's allowing wide open 3's all game every game. Before the Nova game I said they would rain 3's and people told me they aren't that great at 3's. We make every team look like they have a bunch of shooters. If this gimmick doesn't work after getting more talent, can we please get a coach who understands half court sets and spacing like Nova? I'm not calling for CMA's head so don't twist my words, it's still early. But if after 3 yrs it is not effective, the only other thing to try is a young hungry coach from a top mid major that knows how to run plays and has a half court offense and a defense that will at least contest most 3's. 2021 recruiting class will make or break CMA.[/quote]

Anderson has 382 wins. His mentor who ran the same system had 508 wins and a National Championship. The system isn't a gimmick. We just need better players.
 
[quote="SJU11Redmen" post=375921][quote="Mike Zaun" post=375919]I'll give it 2 more years to get more talent here before judging the 40 minutes of hell gimmick, but so far it's allowing wide open 3's all game every game. Before the Nova game I said they would rain 3's and people told me they aren't that great at 3's. We make every team look like they have a bunch of shooters. If this gimmick doesn't work after getting more talent, can we please get a coach who understands half court sets and spacing like Nova? I'm not calling for CMA's head so don't twist my words, it's still early. But if after 3 yrs it is not effective, the only other thing to try is a young hungry coach from a top mid major that knows how to run plays and has a half court offense and a defense that will at least contest most 3's. 2021 recruiting class will make or break CMA.[/quote]

Anderson has 382 wins. His mentor who ran the same system had 508 wins and a National Championship. The system isn't a gimmick. We just need better players.[/quote]

Exactly... in addition, we let up .316 in 3 pt percentage defense followed by Nova at .313 and Marquette at 0.310. Our 3pt defense isn’t great but there are several teams worse and the ones that are better aren’t vastly better except the top 2 or 3 teams in the league. We need better players. Period.
 
Hard to see us winning any of our 4 remaining road games (Creighton, Hall, Nova & Butler). This one is probably our best shot, small as it is. Expect we will have to win 3 of last 4 at home (Providence, Xavier, Creighton, Marquette) to have any shot at NIT. Not getting my hopes up; Georgetown loss was a killer from that perspective.
 
[quote="SJU11Redmen" post=375921][quote="Mike Zaun" post=375919]I'll give it 2 more years to get more talent here before judging the 40 minutes of hell gimmick, but so far it's allowing wide open 3's all game every game. Before the Nova game I said they would rain 3's and people told me they aren't that great at 3's. We make every team look like they have a bunch of shooters. If this gimmick doesn't work after getting more talent, can we please get a coach who understands half court sets and spacing like Nova? I'm not calling for CMA's head so don't twist my words, it's still early. But if after 3 yrs it is not effective, the only other thing to try is a young hungry coach from a top mid major that knows how to run plays and has a half court offense and a defense that will at least contest most 3's. 2021 recruiting class will make or break CMA.[/quote]

Anderson has 382 wins. His mentor who ran the same system had 508 wins and a National Championship. The system isn't a gimmick. We just need better players.[/quote]

Who else is going to shoot when Cole gets double-teamed as the only shooting threat? That's still a huge question that has no answer yet. And if you have one shooter who has an off game or doesn't live up to expectations, then what? Other teams will pack paint and dare us to shoot every game. Butler, Creighton, Marquette, Nova...if you want to be a legit top half Big East team you better have at least 3 guys who can make 3's regularly.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=375924][quote="SJU11Redmen" post=375921][quote="Mike Zaun" post=375919]I'll give it 2 more years to get more talent here before judging the 40 minutes of hell gimmick, but so far it's allowing wide open 3's all game every game. Before the Nova game I said they would rain 3's and people told me they aren't that great at 3's. We make every team look like they have a bunch of shooters. If this gimmick doesn't work after getting more talent, can we please get a coach who understands half court sets and spacing like Nova? I'm not calling for CMA's head so don't twist my words, it's still early. But if after 3 yrs it is not effective, the only other thing to try is a young hungry coach from a top mid major that knows how to run plays and has a half court offense and a defense that will at least contest most 3's. 2021 recruiting class will make or break CMA.[/quote]

Anderson has 382 wins. His mentor who ran the same system had 508 wins and a National Championship. The system isn't a gimmick. We just need better players.[/quote]

Who else is going to shoot when Cole gets double-teamed as the only shooting threat? That's still a huge question that has no answer yet. And if you have one shooter who has an off game or doesn't live up to expectations, then what? Other teams will pack paint and dare us to shoot every game. Butler, Creighton, Marquette, Nova...if you want to be a legit top half Big East team you better have at least 3 guys who can make 3's regularly.[/quote]
Don’t you think staff knows they need another shooter?
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=375925][quote="Mike Zaun" post=375924][quote="SJU11Redmen" post=375921][quote="Mike Zaun" post=375919]I'll give it 2 more years to get more talent here before judging the 40 minutes of hell gimmick, but so far it's allowing wide open 3's all game every game. Before the Nova game I said they would rain 3's and people told me they aren't that great at 3's. We make every team look like they have a bunch of shooters. If this gimmick doesn't work after getting more talent, can we please get a coach who understands half court sets and spacing like Nova? I'm not calling for CMA's head so don't twist my words, it's still early. But if after 3 yrs it is not effective, the only other thing to try is a young hungry coach from a top mid major that knows how to run plays and has a half court offense and a defense that will at least contest most 3's. 2021 recruiting class will make or break CMA.[/quote]

Anderson has 382 wins. His mentor who ran the same system had 508 wins and a National Championship. The system isn't a gimmick. We just need better players.[/quote]

Who else is going to shoot when Cole gets double-teamed as the only shooting threat? That's still a huge question that has no answer yet. And if you have one shooter who has an off game or doesn't live up to expectations, then what? Other teams will pack paint and dare us to shoot every game. Butler, Creighton, Marquette, Nova...if you want to be a legit top half Big East team you better have at least 3 guys who can make 3's regularly.[/quote]
Don’t you think staff knows they need another shooter?[/quote]

Yes, but it's odd to me they can't find a bunch of guys even if they have to go mid major transfer or D2 or overseas. They're all over the place. Same with bigs. The only other explanation is that they don't want to come play for much more relevance, on tv, in a nationally respected conference which makes 0 sense. Just get the sense that we can barely get 1 at a time.
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=375925]
Don’t you think staff knows they need another shooter?[/quote]

Additionally, Williams / Champagnie / Dunn are critical - at least two of them has to increase their 3 shooting percentage.

Williams and Champagnie are 27% three-point shooters. If one of them can somehow get into 33-35% range then it becomes much more palatable. If the other can shoot 30% - again, that's huge.

Dunn - a 25% 3 shooter. For a small guard, that is atrocious. He has the shooting form. He has to get to the low 30s at least next season.

Williams shot 20% in year 1 from 3.
Williams is shooting 27% this year from 3.
Can he jump to 33% next year? That's huge; and makes a very big difference on the team.

We'll see. Those players from three - may make or break the team next year.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=375926][quote="Paultzman" post=375925][quote="Mike Zaun" post=375924][quote="SJU11Redmen" post=375921][quote="Mike Zaun" post=375919]I'll give it 2 more years to get more talent here before judging the 40 minutes of hell gimmick, but so far it's allowing wide open 3's all game every game. Before the Nova game I said they would rain 3's and people told me they aren't that great at 3's. We make every team look like they have a bunch of shooters. If this gimmick doesn't work after getting more talent, can we please get a coach who understands half court sets and spacing like Nova? I'm not calling for CMA's head so don't twist my words, it's still early. But if after 3 yrs it is not effective, the only other thing to try is a young hungry coach from a top mid major that knows how to run plays and has a half court offense and a defense that will at least contest most 3's. 2021 recruiting class will make or break CMA.[/quote]

Anderson has 382 wins. His mentor who ran the same system had 508 wins and a National Championship. The system isn't a gimmick. We just need better players.[/quote]

Who else is going to shoot when Cole gets double-teamed as the only shooting threat? That's still a huge question that has no answer yet. And if you have one shooter who has an off game or doesn't live up to expectations, then what? Other teams will pack paint and dare us to shoot every game. Butler, Creighton, Marquette, Nova...if you want to be a legit top half Big East team you better have at least 3 guys who can make 3's regularly.[/quote]
Don’t you think staff knows they need another shooter?[/quote]

Yes, but it's odd to me they can't find a bunch of guys even if they have to go mid major transfer or D2 or overseas. They're all over the place. Same with bigs. The only other explanation is that they don't want to come play for much more relevance, on tv, in a nationally respected conference which makes 0 sense. Just get the sense that we can barely get 1 at a time.[/quote]

I don't mean to single him out and I get that he's the least of our problems, but it's freakin time for Greg to step up. All I hear about is how Greg's the one keeper we have, he has all the tools, he's our best player, etc etc, yet when I look at the boxscore there is nothing there. He is too tentative. I've been watching him and he is almost looking where to pass before the ball hits his hands. When he catches the ball at the top of the key and defender is giving him space, the first two options that enter his head should be going to the rack or shooting - not just whipping the ball around the key to Rutherford. We need him to start being aggressive. I know he's a solid defender and all that, but when he starts and plays 33 minutes and scores 4 points, that doesn't help us when we have other guys with offensive deficiencies playing major minutes. End rant.
 
As SJ_NYC just posted, incremental improvement from Williams, Dunn & Champagnie from three is not an unreasonable expectation. Add one knockdown shooter to Cole in 2020 class and things look much different. Staff has to be well aware of that need. It's been painfully obvious to everyone watching our games.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=375926][quote="Paultzman" post=375925][quote="Mike Zaun" post=375924][quote="SJU11Redmen" post=375921][quote="Mike Zaun" post=375919]I'll give it 2 more years to get more talent here before judging the 40 minutes of hell gimmick, but so far it's allowing wide open 3's all game every game. Before the Nova game I said they would rain 3's and people told me they aren't that great at 3's. We make every team look like they have a bunch of shooters. If this gimmick doesn't work after getting more talent, can we please get a coach who understands half court sets and spacing like Nova? I'm not calling for CMA's head so don't twist my words, it's still early. But if after 3 yrs it is not effective, the only other thing to try is a young hungry coach from a top mid major that knows how to run plays and has a half court offense and a defense that will at least contest most 3's. 2021 recruiting class will make or break CMA.[/quote]

Anderson has 382 wins. His mentor who ran the same system had 508 wins and a National Championship. The system isn't a gimmick. We just need better players.[/quote]

Who else is going to shoot when Cole gets double-teamed as the only shooting threat? That's still a huge question that has no answer yet. And if you have one shooter who has an off game or doesn't live up to expectations, then what? Other teams will pack paint and dare us to shoot every game. Butler, Creighton, Marquette, Nova...if you want to be a legit top half Big East team you better have at least 3 guys who can make 3's regularly.[/quote]
Don’t you think staff knows they need another shooter?[/quote]

Yes, but it's odd to me they can't find a bunch of guys even if they have to go mid major transfer or D2 or overseas. They're all over the place. Same with bigs. The only other explanation is that they don't want to come play for much more relevance, on tv, in a nationally respected conference which makes 0 sense. Just get the sense that we can barely get 1 at a time.[/quote]

Haven't you learned that just plugging in a shooter from a lower level doesn't work if they can't defend at this level (Bourgault, Hooper)?
 
[quote="SJU11Redmen" post=375930][quote="Mike Zaun" post=375926][quote="Paultzman" post=375925][quote="Mike Zaun" post=375924][quote="SJU11Redmen" post=375921][quote="Mike Zaun" post=375919]I'll give it 2 more years to get more talent here before judging the 40 minutes of hell gimmick, but so far it's allowing wide open 3's all game every game. Before the Nova game I said they would rain 3's and people told me they aren't that great at 3's. We make every team look like they have a bunch of shooters. If this gimmick doesn't work after getting more talent, can we please get a coach who understands half court sets and spacing like Nova? I'm not calling for CMA's head so don't twist my words, it's still early. But if after 3 yrs it is not effective, the only other thing to try is a young hungry coach from a top mid major that knows how to run plays and has a half court offense and a defense that will at least contest most 3's. 2021 recruiting class will make or break CMA.[/quote]

Anderson has 382 wins. His mentor who ran the same system had 508 wins and a National Championship. The system isn't a gimmick. We just need better players.[/quote]

Who else is going to shoot when Cole gets double-teamed as the only shooting threat? That's still a huge question that has no answer yet. And if you have one shooter who has an off game or doesn't live up to expectations, then what? Other teams will pack paint and dare us to shoot every game. Butler, Creighton, Marquette, Nova...if you want to be a legit top half Big East team you better have at least 3 guys who can make 3's regularly.[/quote]
Don’t you think staff knows they need another shooter?[/quote]

Yes, but it's odd to me they can't find a bunch of guys even if they have to go mid major transfer or D2 or overseas. They're all over the place. Same with bigs. The only other explanation is that they don't want to come play for much more relevance, on tv, in a nationally respected conference which makes 0 sense. Just get the sense that we can barely get 1 at a time.[/quote]

Haven't you learned that just plugging in a shooter from a lower level doesn't work if they can't defend at this level (Bourgault, Hooper)?[/quote]

They were extremely slow but look at Mussini. When he was off ball he released quickly enough to shoot and was always a real threat from 3. Legitimate. Defensively he was not great obviously, but sometimes you need to sacrifice a bit to be able to score at all. Every other Big East team can find guys who shoot and aren't a total liability on defense. Why can't we? There's a middle ground of guys who can keep you honest from 3 but also are pretty athletic and can get a shot off. Better to get a Hooper type guy than no one IMO. We need to also run plays to get these specific guys shots. Caraher is very slow and can never get open. But if he had no one within 8 ft he could knock them down. Part of that is his slow speed but the other part is not designing plays to free him up.
 
Mike Zaun wrote: They were extremely slow but look at Mussini. When he was off ball he released quickly enough to shoot and was always a real threat from 3. Legitimate. Defensively he was not great obviously, but sometimes you need to sacrifice a bit to be able to score at all.

Mike, imho we don't need a Mussini type as he wouldn't fit CMA's style of play. Would prefer to get a kid closer to Paris Horne who shot 37-38% from three (would prefer 40%) and defended well. Before you say that is not a high enough percentage from three, it's just about how Colin Gillespie shoots it. I think if we add a wing player like that and 2 of Dunn, Williams & Champagnie can get above 30% from three, we'll be ok from a shooting perspective. Just my opinion.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=375926][quote="Paultzman" post=375925][quote="Mike Zaun" post=375924][quote="SJU11Redmen" post=375921][quote="Mike Zaun" post=375919]I'll give it 2 more years to get more talent here before judging the 40 minutes of hell gimmick, but so far it's allowing wide open 3's all game every game. Before the Nova game I said they would rain 3's and people told me they aren't that great at 3's. We make every team look like they have a bunch of shooters. If this gimmick doesn't work after getting more talent, can we please get a coach who understands half court sets and spacing like Nova? I'm not calling for CMA's head so don't twist my words, it's still early. But if after 3 yrs it is not effective, the only other thing to try is a young hungry coach from a top mid major that knows how to run plays and has a half court offense and a defense that will at least contest most 3's. 2021 recruiting class will make or break CMA.[/quote]

Anderson has 382 wins. His mentor who ran the same system had 508 wins and a National Championship. The system isn't a gimmick. We just need better players.[/quote]

Who else is going to shoot when Cole gets double-teamed as the only shooting threat? That's still a huge question that has no answer yet. And if you have one shooter who has an off game or doesn't live up to expectations, then what? Other teams will pack paint and dare us to shoot every game. Butler, Creighton, Marquette, Nova...if you want to be a legit top half Big East team you better have at least 3 guys who can make 3's regularly.[/quote]
Don’t you think staff knows they need another shooter?[/quote]

Yes, but it's odd to me they can't find a bunch of guys even if they have to go mid major transfer or D2 or overseas. They're all over the place. Same with bigs. The only other explanation is that they don't want to come play for much more relevance, on tv, in a nationally respected conference which makes 0 sense. Just get the sense that we can barely get 1 at a time.[/quote]
Guess trusting this experienced staff makes sense to find another shooter. If they fail, that’s another story. See how this looks in April seems wise.
 
Coach Gustus has been following his nephew Rasheem Dunn's progress with the Johnnies.

His comment about this seasons team is encouraging. I agree that hard working players counts for a lot. The team will be even better next season with some additional talent.

coachgustus This is simply a really great group of young men, despite their limitations on the court, they have been giving it all with what they have and playing their hearts out for St. John’s, Coach Anderson and NYC! As a NYer that hasn’t won anything in basketball for years now, Knicks or @stjohnsbball, it is refreshing to see a hustling and determined group of young men, give it all! We all should be proud of them and Coach Anderson & staff for getting these group of strangers to jell and actually like each other! I don’t agree with every strategy, but I do know they will fight like hell, a Coach’s Dream! @rah.dunn3 @mustapha Thanks for the community service!#morethanbasketball @zbrazill31

https://mobile.twitter.com/coachgustus/status/1225155880058064902
 
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[quote="SJ_NYC" post=375927][quote="Paultzman" post=375925]
Don’t you think staff knows they need another shooter?[/quote]

Additionally, Williams / Champagnie / Dunn are critical - at least two of them has to increase their 3 shooting percentage.

Williams and Champagnie are 27% three-point shooters. If one of them can somehow get into 33-35% range then it becomes much more palatable. If the other can shoot 30% - again, that's huge.

Dunn - a 25% 3 shooter. For a small guard, that is atrocious. He has the shooting form. He has to get to the low 30s at least next season.

Williams shot 20% in year 1 from 3.
Williams is shooting 27% this year from 3.
Can he jump to 33% next year? That's huge; and makes a very big difference on the team.

We'll see. Those players from three - may make or break the team next year.[/quote]



I want to see better offensive sets to enable these players to get an outside shot off. Don't want to see everyone standing around passing the ball back and forth outside. Movement and picks would help.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=375932][quote="SJU11Redmen" post=375930][quote="Mike Zaun" post=375926][quote="Paultzman" post=375925][quote="Mike Zaun" post=375924][quote="SJU11Redmen" post=375921][quote="Mike Zaun" post=375919]I'll give it 2 more years to get more talent here before judging the 40 minutes of hell gimmick, but so far it's allowing wide open 3's all game every game. Before the Nova game I said they would rain 3's and people told me they aren't that great at 3's. We make every team look like they have a bunch of shooters. If this gimmick doesn't work after getting more talent, can we please get a coach who understands half court sets and spacing like Nova? I'm not calling for CMA's head so don't twist my words, it's still early. But if after 3 yrs it is not effective, the only other thing to try is a young hungry coach from a top mid major that knows how to run plays and has a half court offense and a defense that will at least contest most 3's. 2021 recruiting class will make or break CMA.[/quote]

Anderson has 382 wins. His mentor who ran the same system had 508 wins and a National Championship. The system isn't a gimmick. We just need better players.[/quote]

Who else is going to shoot when Cole gets double-teamed as the only shooting threat? That's still a huge question that has no answer yet. And if you have one shooter who has an off game or doesn't live up to expectations, then what? Other teams will pack paint and dare us to shoot every game. Butler, Creighton, Marquette, Nova...if you want to be a legit top half Big East team you better have at least 3 guys who can make 3's regularly.[/quote]
Don’t you think staff knows they need another shooter?[/quote]

Yes, but it's odd to me they can't find a bunch of guys even if they have to go mid major transfer or D2 or overseas. They're all over the place. Same with bigs. The only other explanation is that they don't want to come play for much more relevance, on tv, in a nationally respected conference which makes 0 sense. Just get the sense that we can barely get 1 at a time.[/quote]

Haven't you learned that just plugging in a shooter from a lower level doesn't work if they can't defend at this level (Bourgault, Hooper)?[/quote]

They were extremely slow but look at Mussini. When he was off ball he released quickly enough to shoot and was always a real threat from 3. Legitimate. Defensively he was not great obviously, but sometimes you need to sacrifice a bit to be able to score at all. Every other Big East team can find guys who shoot and aren't a total liability on defense. Why can't we? There's a middle ground of guys who can keep you honest from 3 but also are pretty athletic and can get a shot off. Better to get a Hooper type guy than no one IMO. We need to also run plays to get these specific guys shots. Caraher is very slow and can never get open. But if he had no one within 8 ft he could knock them down. Part of that is his slow speed but the other part is not designing plays to free him up.[/quote]

If we can pick just one recruit who do we go with:
A 6'11 245 center that has some offensive skills near the basket, or a deadly shooter?
 
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