(POST GAME) @Xavier, Wed., Jan. 6, 8p, CBS SN / 970AM

[monte]

It is so embarrassing that Xavier did not hit one dan 3 and still beat us easily.


 

Xavier went on a run when they went up 51-50 with about 8 mintues left.  We missed too many lay ups and put backs.  Had someone gotten hot, or some of those shots went in, it might have been a different story.  We're in every game.  There's decent talent here, albeit lacking in the frontcourt.

That said, I watched a little of the Utah State v. New Mexico game that followed on the telecast, and Utah State has a big, Neemias Queta, apparently from Portugal, who seems like the type of big I would love St. John's to get.

Decent talent + no inside game + no consistent outside scoring threat = a bad team. I watch a a lot of obscure games(IE Boise vs Air Force last night) and every other decent team in the country, including many of the mid majors, has at least one servicable big and one or two pure shooters. We have niether. We are a bad team. 

 

[Delaware]

Let's not forget the rebounding differential.

Huge issue. Based on lack of talent and size. The kid Carter came to X from Ohio U. We never seem to get a commit from a kid like him.
 

 

[SJUhoopNUT]

Look I can live with missing shots and losing a tough game on the road. I get it. However, with the game on the line around the 6 minute mark, we had a slight lead and Xavier went to a zone. We had empty possession after empty possession and really only got 1 good shot in that time span (Champagnie missed a short elbow jumper). Anderson needed to call a TO and get his team organized. His management of the game this year has been downright atrocious. We consistently see this team fall apart in key possessions at the end of games when possessions really start to magnify. 

Anderson needs to be better. 

 

[danfog]

This game falls at the feet of Williams.  He is a junior and must be more consistent and put the ball in the the basket at the line or from the perimeter 
 

 

[bamafan]

This game falls at the feet of Williams.  He is a junior and must be more consistent and put the ball in the the basket at the line or from the perimeter 



To a certain extent this is true but therein lies the problem. We need an overall upgrade in talent to servive off games by the likes of  GW or JC. We should not have to rely on these guys to carry the team as our two most talented players at the BE level.

 

 

[lawmanfan]

Look I can live with missing shots and losing a tough game on the road. I get it. However, with the game on the line around the 6 minute mark, we had a slight lead and Xavier went to a zone. We had empty possession after empty possession and really only got 1 good shot in that time span (Champagnie missed a short elbow jumper). Anderson needed to call a TO and get his team organized. His management of the game this year has been downright atrocious. We consistently see this team fall apart in key possessions at the end of games when possessions really start to magnify. 

Anderson needs to be better. 
 

While I think this is overstated a bit, you're not wrong that X put the game away in about a 4 minute stretch when they clobbered us inside and the 2-3 zone apparently mystified our guys.  By the time Anderson called a timeout and righted the ship it was too late.

 

[monte]

This game falls at the feet of Williams.  He is a junior and must be more consistent and put the ball in the the basket at the line or from the perimeter 



To a certain extent this is true but therein lies the problem. We need an overall upgrade in talent to servive off games by the likes of  GW or JC. We should not have to rely on these guys to carry the team as our two most talented players at the BE level.


Agreed BF. So many on this board place such lofty expectations on these kids based on any one of a variety of factors, and when these kids don't consistantly perform as some of our delusional fan base expect them to perform, they get called out. Most of our kids are what they are; mid-low level big east caliber players.  To expect them to perform like high level big east talent is both unrealistic and unfair to the kids. 

 

 

[BrookJersey Redmen]

DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE.

Walt Frazier paraphrasing Red Holzman said it best, "See the ball-See the man".

Too many times last night, we didn't see the man or the ball; rebounding is desire, and effort, not height, look at all the great rebounders that didn't have height, they had heart, desire and an ability to outwork the other guy going for the ball.

I was so disppointed with our defensive effort last night. We kept a team with ZERO threes, low shooting % from FG and FT, in the game with our poor rebounding and horrible defense.

In one sequence they let two backdoor cuts to mediocre players result in easy layups. Horrible. This team needs to focus on DEE- Fence.

My shout at all the Johnny games, and it drives my wife and daughter crazy to see a man my age yelling at the top of his lungs, IS Always,  to play DEE- Fence.

 

[room112]

So we lost a game by the amount that the Vegas line said we would, to a team we haven't beat in the last 10 tries, in a road game, and people are disapointed. If you're disapointed that we lost I'm not sure what was expected in the first place. You may have personally had high hopes for this season, but we were picked among the bottom teams in the Big East for a reason. 

 

[lawmanfan]

My shout at all the Johnny games, and it drives my wife and daughter crazy to see a man my age yelling at the top of his lungs, IS Always,  to play DEE- Fence.
 

My son alleges that he learned every curse word he knows from going to games with me during the Norm Roberts era.

I can neither confirm nor deny that allegation, and I have nothing to say about the alligator

 

[Class of 72]

As inexperienced as we are as a team and as lackadaisical we were on defense in this game, this team was in a position to win this game on the road to a very good X team.
While we all await Godot for help on the front line what was obvious last night was that we can't win rebounding wars by overstating the height of players like Earlington and Champagnie.
Neither are doing their share in the rebounding department.  
When you give a team a 17 rebounding advantage and they only score on 33 percent of those possessions you will lose the game by 12 points.  Like Mullin before him coach Anderson's success will be judged by his ability to recruit legitimate bigs to compete in the Big East.

 

[Section3]

I'm going to bring this up yet again.....can someone please explain to me why Earlington gets so much playing time?  I just don't see it. What does he bring to the table that someone else on the roster doesn't?  He just simply isn't talented enough to compete with the Big East.  I'm not trying to be mean towards him, but it't the reality.

 

Earington was brutal tonight.  but outside of Dunn, so was the whole roster.  How do you watch this game and come away with Earlington was the problem?  Champaignie, Gwill, Posh etc.  I could go on and on.  They all sucked tonight.

Singling out Earlington seems strange.

Certainly not the only problem. But, I think his role needs to be redefined to focus on rebounding. He is never going to be a  dependable scoring option and should be relying on opportunistic scoring chances with rebounding becoming his calling card, I think he fancies being a finesse player and he simply isn't. Doesn't mean he isn't a valuable asset, just needs to be refocused. 

 

[Delaware]

So we lost a game by the amount that the Vegas line said we would, to a team we haven't beat in the last 10 tries, in a road game, and people are disapointed. If you're disapointed that we lost I'm not sure what was expected in the first place. You may have personally had high hopes for this season, but we were picked among the bottom teams in the Big East for a reason. 

I thought a win was possible based on the 1st half. Neither tesm played well, but we were in the game at half. Figured if we could keep it close and not have a dry spell, we might win. Well.....
 

 

[Redmen88]

So we lost a game by the amount that the Vegas line said we would, to a team we haven't beat in the last 10 tries, in a road game, and people are disapointed. If you're disapointed that we lost I'm not sure what was expected in the first place. You may have personally had high hopes for this season, but we were picked among the bottom teams in the Big East for a reason. 

I am disappointed at the product that we put out on the floor. I am not disappointed by any one particular loss.  I am disappointed that we will finish at the bottom of the league AGAIN.  I am disappointed in our defense, our sloppy passes and our inability to get better.  To put it bluntly we have sucked fir 20 years and I am just looking for some progress which never seems to take place.  I am disappointed in SJ basketball.  
 

 

[beast of the east]

This was the case of a good team, xavier, playing down to the level of a bad team, us.   They had lost 2 in a row and deserved to be 3, but lucky they drew us.

 

[TheArtest15]

As inexperienced as we are as a team and as lackadaisical we were on defense in this game, this team was in a position to win this game on the road to a very good X team.
While we all await Godot for help on the front line what was obvious last night was that we can't win rebounding wars by overstating the height of players like Earlington and Champagnie.
Neither are doing their share in the rebounding department.  
When you give a team a 17 rebounding advantage and they only score on 33 percent of those possessions you will lose the game by 12 points.  Like Mullin before him coach Anderson's success will be judged by his ability to recruit legitimate bigs to compete in the Big East.

The only reason why we were in the game because Xavier played so bad. They didnt hit a 3 point field goal. Thats really bad for them. They are a team who usually shooty 36% from 3. We are a bad team. Our best players would be role players on good Big East teams. The talent level needs to get better here and quick. 

Posh is a freshman and you all put way to much on him being a stud from the get go. He will be a good 3-4 year player here for us. Some on this board said he "IS THE BEST POINT GUARD WEVE HAD HERE  IN 20 YEARS!" So many fans are just so delusional and need to be a little more realistic and rational. 

I thought CMA was this great developer as many stated last year. Why have a lot of these players regressed? Earlington has been bad, Roberts never sees the floor (because he isnt a CMA guy), Caraher is finished. The way many of you thought cole would easily be able to replace LJs production was ludacris, "addition by subtraction fellas!"

 

[SJU61982]

As inexperienced as we are as a team and as lackadaisical we were on defense in this game, this team was in a position to win this game on the road to a very good X team.
While we all await Godot for help on the front line what was obvious last night was that we can't win rebounding wars by overstating the height of players like Earlington and Champagnie.
Neither are doing their share in the rebounding department.  
When you give a team a 17 rebounding advantage and they only score on 33 percent of those possessions you will lose the game by 12 points.  Like Mullin before him coach Anderson's success will be judged by his ability to recruit legitimate bigs to compete in the Big East.

The only reason why we were in the game because Xavier played so bad. They didnt hit a 3 point field goal. Thats really bad for them. They are a team who usually shooty 36% from 3. We are a bad team. Our best players would be role players on good Big East teams. The talent level needs to get better here and quick. 

Posh is a freshman and you all put way to much on him being a stud from the get go. He will be a good 3-4 year player here for us. Some on this board said he "IS THE BEST POINT GUARD WEVE HAD HERE  IN 20 YEARS!" So many fans are just so delusional and need to be a little more realistic and rational. 

I thought CMA was this great developer as many stated last year. Why have a lot of these players regressed? Earlington has been bad, Roberts never sees the floor (because he isnt a CMA guy), Caraher is finished. The way many of you thought cole would easily be able to replace LJs production was ludacris, "addition by subtraction fellas!"

The three guys you mentioned were not recruited by him.  I'm sure he's great at developing guys who fit his preferred style.  It's obvious that the three you mentioned do not.

 

[TheArtest15]

As inexperienced as we are as a team and as lackadaisical we were on defense in this game, this team was in a position to win this game on the road to a very good X team.
While we all await Godot for help on the front line what was obvious last night was that we can't win rebounding wars by overstating the height of players like Earlington and Champagnie.
Neither are doing their share in the rebounding department.  
When you give a team a 17 rebounding advantage and they only score on 33 percent of those possessions you will lose the game by 12 points.  Like Mullin before him coach Anderson's success will be judged by his ability to recruit legitimate bigs to compete in the Big East.

The only reason why we were in the game because Xavier played so bad. They didnt hit a 3 point field goal. Thats really bad for them. They are a team who usually shooty 36% from 3. We are a bad team. Our best players would be role players on good Big East teams. The talent level needs to get better here and quick. 

Posh is a freshman and you all put way to much on him being a stud from the get go. He will be a good 3-4 year player here for us. Some on this board said he "IS THE BEST POINT GUARD WEVE HAD HERE  IN 20 YEARS!" So many fans are just so delusional and need to be a little more realistic and rational. 

I thought CMA was this great developer as many stated last year. Why have a lot of these players regressed? Earlington has been bad, Roberts never sees the floor (because he isnt a CMA guy), Caraher is finished. The way many of you thought cole would easily be able to replace LJs production was ludacris, "addition by subtraction fellas!"

The three guys you mentioned were not recruited by him.  I'm sure he's great at developing guys who fit his preferred style.  It's obvious that the three you mentioned do not.

But Earlington fit his style last year when he was playing well and everyone said CMA develops Players so well. Same with Roberts when he was blocking evrything and playing really well in the preseason last year. All im saying is that you cant say he develops so well look what he did with earlington last year when Mullin got nothing out of him (not saying you, just many posters in general) and now when they have regressed say "oh CMA didnt recruit him, thats why hes regressed." Just sound like different types of excuses to me.

 

[BrookJersey Redmen]

lawmanfan "My son alleges that he learned every curse word he knows from going to games with me during the Norm Roberts era.

I can neither confirm nor deny that allegation, and I have nothing to say about the alligator"

~Haha; I think it has to be a case of mistaken identity~

 

[beast of the east]

My shout at all the Johnny games, and it drives my wife and daughter crazy to see a man my age yelling at the top of his lungs, IS Always,  to play DEE- Fence.

 

My son alleges that he learned every curse word he knows from going to games with me during the Norm Roberts era.

I can neither confirm nor deny that allegation, and I have nothing to say about the alligator

You were probably close to the bench and he learned them from players commenting on NR's coaching ability.