(POST GAME) @Xavier, Wed., Jan. 6, 8p, CBS SN / 970AM

[SJU61982]

Maybe we get lucky and land that kid from WV although he sounds like a  head case.

If a kid is super talented, and does not have baggae of some kind, chances are we will not land someone like that.  We're going to have to take a chance on someone, eventually.

That's why it never bothered me when Lavin went after those kinds of kids.  It was his hit-to-miss ratio on those players, that was his undoing.

 

[dalydoseofhoops]

http://dalydoseofhoops.blogspot.com/2021/01/5-takeaways-st-johns-lets-opportunity.html

 

[redrx]

Tonight's loss was not a lack of talent, but a lack of effort and coaching.

 

[montyaloofah]

We handed this game to X. Too many missed layups, stupid turnovers, and dumb fouls. Guys looked lethargic out there. It was an odd game to watch, but as usual the other team pulls it out. 

despite Dunn's scoring, I am not a fan of him running the point. The ball gets stuck too often, defenses dare him to shoot from distance, and he is not good at that. His driving is an asset, but he needs to get more guys involved. 

im glad to be watching sjubb tho.

 

[Mullins Revenge]

I'm going to bring this up yet again.....can someone please explain to me why Earlington gets so much playing time?  I just don't see it. What does he bring to the table that someone else on the roster doesn't?  He just simply isn't talented enough to compete with the Big East.  I'm not trying to be mean towards him, but it't the reality.
 

Earington was brutal tonight.  but outside of Dunn, so was the whole roster.  How do you watch this game and come away with Earlington was the problem?  Champaignie, Gwill, Posh etc.  I could go on and on.  They all sucked tonight.

Singling out Earlington seems strange.

 

[Knight]

Zach in the NY Post
https://nypost.com/2021/01/06/st-johns-melts-down-late-in-loss-to-xavier/

 

[Knight]

Per Zach
Asked Mike Anderson if he thought about going to Josh Roberts with Xavier killing them on glass, and he said they had guys in there that could've done the job. #sjubb

 

[Roamer]

Didn’t see the game got stuck inside Capitol Hill.  Wasn’t expecting a win tonight.  So at what point does this program realize changing coaches every 5 years isn’t going to work?  I think We have a good coach, he is not the one missing shots.  Was Jarvis a good coach or did he just have good players? I bring him up because to me that’s the last time I recall the program being nationally relevant.  

 

[Ray Morgan]

This  game looked like the 14 year olds against the 20 year olds in the playground. What an embarrassing effort on the glass. St. John's looks undersized but that is only 1 problem. No one has the instincts or desire to attack the boards. Rebounding is a big part about fundamentals and effort, Both were lacking. When was the last time a Big East team was 0 for 12 and won comfortsbly. You can blame coaching and CMA all you want, but that's not the problem.  CMA is more than a competent coach. When you field a team of 3 star recruits that are almost all underclassmen, you get players with an incomplete set of skills. It takes a little longer for them to develop. Eventually they play with smarts and saavy and look like 4 star players. So it all depends on how much you enjoy being 1 and done in the tournament every 4 years or so.

 

[MainMan]

Rough one after such a long layoff. 
You could see the rust on the kids. 
DePaul cancellation really hurt.
Give credit to Xavier they came out and played hard.

 

[TheArtest15]

I hate to say it but Toro is such a useless player. Why does he even start? 3 rebounds and 3 fouls in 11 minutes. Of course people on this board were syaing how great a pickup he was because he had 20 baords in a game for lowly GW. 

It is so embarrassing that Xavier did not hit one dan 3 and still beat us easily. The horrible passes and idiotic decision making (Cole and others) was painful to watch. If you all watch the big east as much as I do and dont think we have the least tlaented team in the conference you do not know basketball. If they went zone X would have pounded us on the boards even more and ogtten second chance points. We also do not play zone well and rotate so poorly on defnese. 

We are a terrible shooting team, a terrible defensive team, a terrible rebounding team, and have no inside presence offensively or defensively. Why does anyone on here think we were going to shock the Big east and were outraged when we were picked to finish 9th? Sadly people on here constantly say give CMA time to bring talent in, well witht he way they have been playing who on earth would want to come play here?

 

[redmanwest]

Again not sure what made anyone think this team was anything more than a 5-15/6-14 team.

There just is not a lot of talent especially offensively.

 

[RJGBOOTSY]

A Quck summary

1)If you can not consistently shoot the 3 point shot in todays game your half court offense is doomed for failure over the season as you face better and better competition. Need to find shooters not just kids who can score.
2) The ability to pass the ball by this team and last years team is horrendous. Forced passes, weak passes, late passes happen way to often.
3) By being a pressing team in todays high level college basketball will not work!!!  You will occasionally upset a higher ranked team and beat up on the lower level teams but long term not the answer. This can not be the philosophy of the program.
4) Half court defensive rebounding will not improve until dribble penetration stops and the defense is not in scramble mode.
 

 

[sjc88]

The consistent inconsistency of this team and Program are on a loop. A 20+ year loop. This has gone on so long I found myself flipping channels to the Knicks (gasp!) game which is becoming a better show. How has this happened.

 

[redmanwest]

Problem wiht the team right now is defense.  The offense isn't perfect but is adequate.  More options than in the recent past.  Failure to paly Roberts at all in the face of massive rebounding deficit and defensive hole in middle makes NO sense.  I know the standard line "he may not practice well" but still inexplicable.  Looks more to me like "he's not our guy and maybe he should transfer" and a prfeference for their guy Toro.  I think Roberts shoukd get some of Earlingotn's minutes.  Anyway, IMHO defense is the key issue.

  

 

[fordham96]

Problem wiht the team right now is defense.  The offense isn't perfect but is adequate.  More options than in the recent past.  Failure to paly Roberts at all in the face of massive rebounding deficit and defensive hole in middle makes NO sense.  I know the standard line "he may not practice well" but still inexplicable.  Looks more to me like "he's not our guy and maybe he should transfer" and a prfeference for their guy Toro.  I think Roberts shoukd get some of Earlingotn's minutes.  Anyway, IMHO defense is the key issue.


They scored 27 points in the first half and went about 5-6 minutes without scoring in the 2nd half when they could've added to the lead or at least kept up.  I acknowledge that you can win games by not allowing the other team to score at all but that is a bit unrealsitic.  In other words for most of you the other team is not allowed to execute and score and be good on O it must be that SJU plays lousy defense.  They simply have non one on the team outside of Champagnie that scares any program in terms of scoring,  And the lack of offensive firepower will carry over to the other end of the floor eventually against decent teams.
  

 

[WillyDilly]

I'm going to bring this up yet again.....can someone please explain to me why Earlington gets so much playing time?  I just don't see it. What does he bring to the table that someone else on the roster doesn't?  He just simply isn't talented enough to compete with the Big East.  I'm not trying to be mean towards him, but it't the reality.


 

Earington was brutal tonight.  but outside of Dunn, so was the whole roster.  How do you watch this game and come away with Earlington was the problem?  Champaignie, Gwill, Posh etc.  I could go on and on.  They all sucked tonight.

Singling out Earlington seems strange.

The problem is that Earlington has been brutal all season.  And from what I have seen over the entirety of the season, there is no rational explanation as to why he is getting as much playing time as he is. In Big East play, he is averaging 4.4 points and 3.6 rebounds per game.  For an undersized forward, those numbers just aren't simply good enough. For him to be getting the minutes over someone like Roberts, who could as least provide size and athleticism, is truly mind boggling.....unless there are underlying conditions around Roberts that we do not know about.

 

 

[redmanwest]

Last night's first half was an exception, at least thus far this year.  Every team has scoring droughts.

As I said, their offense isn't perfect, but it is not the problem.

 

 

[beast of the east]

How could we have had a fair amount of new talent come in, which significantly upgraded the roster, yet be a team that is not nearly as good right now as the one that finished last season for us?

1) Second tier players had a clear path to playing time and making their mark last season.    Dunn, Earlington, Caraher, JC, and Rutherford all responded to the opportunity without any fear of looking over their shoulder and having guys on the bench who would take their time.   

2) Of all of those players (Rutherford graduated), only JC has continued to play at a level worthy of pt this year.    Each of the others have taken a step backwards, with IMO, confidence eroded.

3) LJ was a much bigger loss, 12 foot finger roll floater included, than we would have admitted.   In reality, on a much better team, LJ is getting 29 minutes per game, taking half as many 3's, and only shooting 18% from three.   He is getting 7.5 rebounds per game, which is a lot more than he got for us.   His role is being defined differently, but he is not killing it there, avergaing 9.5 ppg on 41% shooting.   Still and all we could have used him.   We are rudderless without his 15ppg here.

 

 

[fordham96]

Last night's first half was an exception, at least thus far this year.  Every team has scoring droughts.

As I said, their offense isn't perfect, but it is not the problem.

That is a red herring.  Nobody is arguing perfection.  They are not a good offensive team in any way. 

If you can't score 70+ in the BE especially on the road especially quite frankly to teams that are already better then you on paper you are not going to win.  Period.  I tis fantasy to think SJU has aenough talent to hold BETTER teams consisdtently under 70 points and still win.