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[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=377862][quote="Knight" post=377854]I suspect the so called decline in play of LJ and Heron can be, at least, partially attributable to CMA's defensive attack strategy. These guys have worn down due to the minutes played and effort given. I'd sign them up again for another year if I could. More help coming with new and improved options will help improve our results.[/quote] I too would take LJ for another year. But being worn down doesnt explain poor shot selection.[/quote]
You
After last night's game and watching them blow another, I'm done caring for the rest of this season , so this isn't a frustrated post.
I can still say that I'm good if lj goes. If you people don't mind those 30 ft chucks where he's going to miss, then that's your right, I have had enough of that.
 
[quote="Ken Shark" post=377847]Coach, why am I watching either Caraher or Rutherford trying to box out one of the best rebounders in the conference? Total killer late in the game, play good defense, then have to do it again, and again, because there is no size on the court.

Since he made a couple big shots in his first game, Dunn has been nothing but snake eyes late in games. Really disappointing.

Who drew up the play at the end to get the ball to Rutherford for a 40 footer?

"Next level leaper" Roberts lost the opening tap again, putting him at about 17 losses in a row. Not a big deal, just find it comical. That said, doesn't make sense what little time he gets the last 35 minutes of a game. Totally understand why he can't be out there on offense late but not playing for defense and rebounding, especially when you're getting killed on the glass, boggles the mind.[/quote]

Ken, I think it’s because he’s very limited offensively and we need offense. Also, he can’t hit free throws if he does get fouled down low. If we had four consistent offensive players on the floor with him , Roberts would be a much more effective player right now. I think next season Moore will start and Roberts can be a quality back up if he works on and improves his offensive game a little. I think right now CMA feels what he gains from having Roberts on the floor doesn’t outweigh what he loses offensively when he has such an offensively challenged team to begin with.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=377862][quote="Knight" post=377854]I suspect the so called decline in play of LJ and Heron can be, at least, partially attributable to CMA's defensive attack strategy. These guys have worn down due to the minutes played and effort given. I'd sign them up again for another year if I could. More help coming with new and improved options will help improve our results.[/quote] I too would take LJ for another year. But being worn down doesnt explain poor shot selection.[/quote]

Fatigue effects judgement and slows execution.
 
It was a terrible loss any way you look at it . A few have mentioned how great a game Nick Rutherford played last night . He was outstanding and was the catalyst for the defensive clamp down on X , until the last 5 minutes, when we weakened . . Props to Nick for his effort . He’s a 5 th year guy , down to the last few games of his College career and he left everything he had on the Garden floor . On the other hand , going 1-13 down the stretch didn’t help but , we still had several chances to win . I wonder if Roberts couldn’t have provided some height and shot blocking down the stretch but , he was nailed to the Bench as he has been since he missed those 4 free throws a few weeks ago . Maybe Coach A should realize it’s ok to move players in and out of the lineup on a possession by possession basis when you trade offense for defense or vice versa . We played awfully small when a few rebounds , here or there could have changed the outcome . While Coach A gets a pass this year , it doesn’t mean he’s not open to some observations . Not rotating Roberts is a question . It was apparent that nothing was drawn up for the last 3 possessions . Figgy throwing up two clunkers can’t be from any playbook . If there was a play drawn ? I haven’t seen a lot of chalkboard on the sidelines and that’s a question too . It’s a concern going forward in this league , where late game strategy is important . A lot was made about Mullin and his Assistants on the sidelines . I don’t see a lot of input from Coach A’s Assistants to be candid . At least St Jean had a chalk board . The other thing is that the 40 minutes of Hell fails if it’s only 35 minutes in duration . Maybe a lot of the folding down the stretch is due to tired players that are out of gas . Not only did we shoot 1-13 but , we were outscored 8-0 . It’s something to think about .
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=377838][quote="SJU61982" post=377825][quote="IDRAFT" post=377823][quote="Moose" post=377804][quote="dee" post=377802][quote="James Matthew Lynch" post=377751]Does Caraher make shots during practice? He is a constant disappointment...what happened to Roberts? Dunn missing free throws? Clutch time...can't seem to seal the deal again??? Poor Coach Anderson...could be the end to his 17 years of winning seasons...remaining schedule doesn't look like a 50/50 season...Johnnies being the team to end his claim to fame? I am so upset right now....thought, like Georgetown, we had it in the bag...and once again, I chalk up a loss on the Fridge Schedule!!! Love My Johnnies...but I am a hurting fan, imagine how the players feel.[/quote]

Watched him practice he did not miss any 3 point shots in practice but he never got to take a 3 point shot during the game. Why wont they let him shoot when LJ has been horrendous?[/quote]

Max Hooper hit 90% of his shots in practice.
You do realize practice is different than a game right? I would hope nobody here has to explain the difference in urgency.[/quote]

Before a game two years ago toward the end of the year I got there early and Yakwe was out practicing with a manager by himself. Hit about 20 straight threes. I guess we should have run more plays for him to shoot them in games too.

Caraher is shooting .260 from three in games.[/quote]

Someone on here (it might have been Moose) mentioned that most of Caraher's shots have been short. I think that has been the case, as well. My guess, is that he was a decent three point shooter at Houston Baptist, but that his shot does not extend to the new distance.[/quote]
Actually he was not, scored mostly on drives & post ups which reflects the competition level there. Nice, hard working kid but the dead eye shooter assessment was a myth.[/quote]

From the historical records it appears most of Matt's player assessments were a myth.
 
Coach Anderson style has kept us in these games. We have no solid big. No consistent shooter.

I left the garden disappointed but not surprised. So many layups missed and key free throws.

Need to give him time Tired of constantly changing
Really appreciated Louie's years
 
[quote="T & J" post=377889][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=377862][quote="Knight" post=377854]I suspect the so called decline in play of LJ and Heron can be, at least, partially attributable to CMA's defensive attack strategy. These guys have worn down due to the minutes played and effort given. I'd sign them up again for another year if I could. More help coming with new and improved options will help improve our results.[/quote] I too would take LJ for another year. But being worn down doesnt explain poor shot selection.[/quote]
You
After last night's game and watching them blow another, I'm done caring for the rest of this season , so this isn't a frustrated post.
I can still say that I'm good if lj goes. If you people don't mind those 30 ft chucks where he's going to miss, then that's your right, I have had enough of that.[/quote] If I was going to make my decision on yesterdays game ,I would give him the boot, If my decision is made on his whole body of work, I would keep him. Hes a good, not great player. IMO I think you are going to get your wish, I think hes leaving this year regardless,
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=377909][quote="T & J" post=377889][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=377862][quote="Knight" post=377854]I suspect the so called decline in play of LJ and Heron can be, at least, partially attributable to CMA's defensive attack strategy. These guys have worn down due to the minutes played and effort given. I'd sign them up again for another year if I could. More help coming with new and improved options will help improve our results.[/quote] I too would take LJ for another year. But being worn down doesnt explain poor shot selection.[/quote]
You
After last night's game and watching them blow another, I'm done caring for the rest of this season , so this isn't a frustrated post.
I can still say that I'm good if lj goes. If you people don't mind those 30 ft chucks where he's going to miss, then that's your right, I have had enough of that.[/quote] If I was going to make my decision on yesterdays game ,I would give him the boot, If my decision is made on his whole body of work, I would keep him. Hes a good, not great player. IMO I think you are going to get your wish, I think hes leaving this year regardless,[/quote]

Decision based on yesterday's game? If it was just yesterday's game then it wouldn't really bother me, but it been the whole year. Last month after a lousy game that he had, i looked at that game and the prior 9 games, and in those 10 games he was shooting at a.25.7 clip. Why? Because he just chucks.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=377909][quote="T & J" post=377889][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=377862][quote="Knight" post=377854]I suspect the so called decline in play of LJ and Heron can be, at least, partially attributable to CMA's defensive attack strategy. These guys have worn down due to the minutes played and effort given. I'd sign them up again for another year if I could. More help coming with new and improved options will help improve our results.[/quote] I too would take LJ for another year. But being worn down doesnt explain poor shot selection.[/quote]
You
After last night's game and watching them blow another, I'm done caring for the rest of this season , so this isn't a frustrated post.
I can still say that I'm good if lj goes. If you people don't mind those 30 ft chucks where he's going to miss, then that's your right, I have had enough of that.[/quote] If I was going to make my decision on yesterdays game ,I would give him the boot, If my decision is made on his whole body of work, I would keep him. Hes a good, not great player. IMO I think you are going to get your wish, I think hes leaving this year regardless,[/quote]

Figgy is 100% coming back. I dont know where some of you guys think he will play professional ball. He is strugling in the big east. He needs a good senior year more then anyone. There is 0 chance figgy leaves this program after the season.
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=377918]
Figgy is 100% coming back. I dont know where some of you guys think he will play professional ball. He is strugling in the big east. He needs a good senior year more then anyone. There is 0 chance figgy leaves this program after the season.[/quote]

Are you basing that on your evaluation of his play, or are you saying that's an inside scoop?
 
St. John's does not have a player in the conference top 10 in any major offensive category. Only 1 in the top 15 in scoring. No one (no surprise) in the top 10 in fg%. I haven't looked at team stats in a few weeks, but recall we are at tor near the bottom of the conference in every category (offense). What we do better than anyone is turn the other guy over. Even with that enormous edge last night, poor shooting from the field and line in the end game was our downfall.

LJ had a night like John Starks in game 7 against the Rockets back in 1994. Remarkably similar: Starks 2 for 18, LJ 2 for 17. I can't find the play by play timeline, but L.J. seemed to have missed at least 6 in a row after being reinserted with like 8 minutes to go. For Starks, the Knicks were trying to make up a deficit. We didn't need LJ to shoot 3 pointers once the lead hit 7. Just a tough night for him.
 
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[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=377918][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=377909][quote="T & J" post=377889][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=377862][quote="Knight" post=377854]I suspect the so called decline in play of LJ and Heron can be, at least, partially attributable to CMA's defensive attack strategy. These guys have worn down due to the minutes played and effort given. I'd sign them up again for another year if I could. More help coming with new and improved options will help improve our results.[/quote] I too would take LJ for another year. But being worn down doesnt explain poor shot selection.[/quote]
You
After last night's game and watching them blow another, I'm done caring for the rest of this season , so this isn't a frustrated post.
I can still say that I'm good if lj goes. If you people don't mind those 30 ft chucks where he's going to miss, then that's your right, I have had enough of that.[/quote] If I was going to make my decision on yesterdays game ,I would give him the boot, If my decision is made on his whole body of work, I would keep him. Hes a good, not great player. IMO I think you are going to get your wish, I think hes leaving this year regardless,[/quote]

Figgy is 100% coming back. I dont know where some of you guys think he will play professional ball. He is strugling in the big east. He needs a good senior year more then anyone. There is 0 chance figgy leaves this program after the season.[/quote]

0 chance? :silly:
 
I don't know whether LJ comes back, but he is good enough to make plenty of rosters overseas. I wish he would stay, but I doubt it. It's not like he is on the NBA bubble. He will earn a good living wherever his talents take him.

As for those wondering why CMA kept in LJ despite his poor shooting, you have to go with your best. No way to know he will go o for his last 7. L.J. had 2 steals and a huge defensive rebound in traffic in the last few minutes. He was still battling on defense and on the glass.
 
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[quote="T & J" post=377913][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=377909][quote="T & J" post=377889][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=377862][quote="Knight" post=377854]I suspect the so called decline in play of LJ and Heron can be, at least, partially attributable to CMA's defensive attack strategy. These guys have worn down due to the minutes played and effort given. I'd sign them up again for another year if I could. More help coming with new and improved options will help improve our results.[/quote] I too would take LJ for another year. But being worn down doesnt explain poor shot selection.[/quote]
You
After last night's game and watching them blow another, I'm done caring for the rest of this season , so this isn't a frustrated post.
I can still say that I'm good if lj goes. If you people don't mind those 30 ft chucks where he's going to miss, then that's your right, I have had enough of that.[/quote] If I was going to make my decision on yesterdays game ,I would give him the boot, If my decision is made on his whole body of work, I would keep him. Hes a good, not great player. IMO I think you are going to get your wish, I think hes leaving this year regardless,[/quote]

Decision based on yesterday's game? If it was just yesterday's game then it wouldn't really bother me, but it been the whole year. Last month after a lousy game that he had, i looked at that game and the prior 9 games, and in those 10 games he was shooting at a.25.7 clip. Why? Because he just chucks.[/quote]

I think the staff has already replaced him for next season. We need a high caliber power forward and or a Big to go along with a very deep backcourt. Earlington and Champagnie will only get better. Steere is already gone. Caraher and Sears need to make room for better athletes that can fit CMA's system.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=377925][quote="T & J" post=377913][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=377909][quote="T & J" post=377889][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=377862][quote="Knight" post=377854]I suspect the so called decline in play of LJ and Heron can be, at least, partially attributable to CMA's defensive attack strategy. These guys have worn down due to the minutes played and effort given. I'd sign them up again for another year if I could. More help coming with new and improved options will help improve our results.[/quote] I too would take LJ for another year. But being worn down doesnt explain poor shot selection.[/quote]
You
After last night's game and watching them blow another, I'm done caring for the rest of this season , so this isn't a frustrated post.
I can still say that I'm good if lj goes. If you people don't mind those 30 ft chucks where he's going to miss, then that's your right, I have had enough of that.[/quote] If I was going to make my decision on yesterdays game ,I would give him the boot, If my decision is made on his whole body of work, I would keep him. Hes a good, not great player. IMO I think you are going to get your wish, I think hes leaving this year regardless,[/quote]

Decision based on yesterday's game? If it was just yesterday's game then it wouldn't really bother me, but it been the whole year. Last month after a lousy game that he had, i looked at that game and the prior 9 games, and in those 10 games he was shooting at a.25.7 clip. Why? Because he just chucks.[/quote]

I think the staff has already replaced him for next season. We need a high caliber power forward and or a Big to go along with a very deep backcourt. Earlington and Champagnie will only get better. Steere is already gone. Caraher and Sears need to make room for better athletes that can fit CMA's system.[/quote]

Agree. This team just need more talent and a lot of it. We simply don’t have that much. Our later game near misses are often offensive droughts which aren’t really due to any major coaching changes nor faux pas. It’s simply our collective offensive inability. We also don’t have size, no Pg, no real center etc.

As 72 said, gotta add 2-3 more good players to replace the almost assuredly departing LJ, Steere and possibly Sears/Caraher who are struggling a bit at this level. I don’t mind Caraher as he has some skill and does not hurt us as a bench player but Steere’s his buddy so I don’t know. We could still benefit from his ship though and using on a bit more talent.
 
Caraher has taken heat for his performance . He needs a pick to get his shot but , our team doesn’t set a lot of picks . That being said , I think Coach Anderson uses him because when he’s in the game , the ball moves around the perimeter pretty well . He is a good passer for the most part . When he’s not in the game , our guards dribble the ball aimlessly and the shots taken are often too quick or too late in the shot clock . He creates ball movement that isn’t there when he’s not playing . So , despite him being a 1/2 step slow and not hitting his shots , he does contribute . He doesn’t shoot a lot anyway . So the few misses he had weren’t the cause of the loss . He’s in there because Anderson believes he contributes . That should be good enough .
 
Regarding LJ. I think it would be smart for him to leave after this year and make money overseas. He isn’t young and another year of college ball isn’t getting him in the NBA.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=377934]Regarding LJ. I think it would be smart for him to leave after this year and make money overseas. He isn’t young and another year of college ball isn’t getting him in the NBA.[/quote]
Very likely
 
Crappy game last night, but LJ should have taken the long three as he has had the most experience at long threes.
 
When reading some posts, some blame the coaching for the bad endings to these losses. While watching some of these close losses I would agree that sometimes some of his moves seem questionable. However, players need to make plays! MA has put his players in good positions to win, but they just have not made the shots. Last night was the antithesis of this, missing a one and one, LJ's floater...it is hard to say that it's the head coaches fault when they don't make shots. Everyone would think MA is the greatest coach in world. I just think it is way to premature to say MA is a good or bad coach based on the talent we have this year.
 
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