(POST GAME) @Xavier (Cintas Ctr), Sun. Jan. 5, 4:30pm, FOX / 970AM

[quote="JohnnyFan" post=370916]Welcome to conference play.

I love this group and will continue to applaud their effort. That said, we will need a talent upgrade to break through to the top half of the conference.

Beyond shooting, now that we're playing the big boys, rebounding is an issue. We were out-rebounded by West Virginia, Butler and Xavier. This is why you can't take too much away from the cupcake games. We will win some conference games, but it will take until the 2021-22 season before CMA has his team on the floor.[/quote]

Is Butler and Xavier that much better then WVU and Arizona?
We beat those 2. It's like every year we do good in the ooc part then suck in conference.

Not blaming cma. CMA can only help them with their stroke, but he can't make them hit their shots.
 
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Illinois just held a good Purdue team to 37 points. Maybe sometimes it just happens. 63-37 loss
 
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Another game where the shots weren't falling. At some point the law of averages will even out and SJU will start to roll. Maybe not. Maybe they are just a very bad outside shooting team and other than a game or two for the rest of season this is what they are.
Perhaps they should at least tone down the number of three attempts. Thirty eight over two games is way too many for a team that shoots this bad. I believe they are shooting forty four per cent on their two point shots and with the number of steals and turnovers they are creating that should result in a decent number of wins but you won't win many games shooting under twenty per cent from three point line and taking almost twenty a game.
If my arithmetic is correct SJU took eighty nine two point attempts making thirty nine and took thirty eight threes making five. You can be sure all the big east coaches are going to encourage SJU to take as many threes as possible. Make an effort to get a better shot.
 
I didn’t get to see most of the game. However, I’m reading through the box score and noticed that Josh Roberts only played 10 mins when their top scorer was their big man. I’m wondering why he only played 10 mins when it seems like we needed a big body of defense to counter their big man.
 
What's so frustrating is that both BE games were winnable with just a few more made baskets. I've stated the obvious before. How come it seems every other team has knock down shooters (at least against us), while we consistently have none? This kid Tandy is going to terrorize us the next 3 years.
 
Cause he cant score. And penny is not scoring. Rutherford doesnt score much. So of our starting 5, three are very offensively challanged. We were down most of the game and needed points so u cant play roberts. And with him missing free throws, u really cant have him out there when we are down.
 
[quote="Johnny4Life" post=370921]I didn’t get to see most of the game. However, I’m reading through the box score and noticed that Josh Roberts only played 10 mins when their top scorer was their big man. I’m wondering why he only played 10 mins when it seems like we needed a big body of defense to counter their big man.[/quote]

Because there is big and then there is Tyrique Jones big. Roberts is tall, but a beast like Jones is a tough assignment.
 
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This team basically looks like the Hatten teams, if Hatten were not there.

Hatten would just do it all by himself on those teams, sometimes, and while that's not the textbook way to play basketball, it was the only way those teams had a chance. Even with teams tailoring their game plans to stop him, they couldn't do it. Only problem was that he couldn't make other players better, he could only do it for himself.

Still, this team could use a Hatten-like player.
 
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Tough road game, especially when you're missing a ton of shots from a foot away. Also by the law of average, we should at least hit a few 3 pointers in a game. I'm not sure how they can miss as many as they do. With that said, I feel we'll be ok.. Maybe a few games under .500 in BE play and an NIT appearance. If a couple of guys, namely LJ and Heron actually perform to their capabilities, we could be .500 BE and on the bubble. I'd have signed up for either scenario last April when we had no coach and only a couple of players coming back.
 
[quote="rawdognyc" post=370927]Tough road game, especially when you're missing a ton of shots from a foot away. Also by the law of average, we should at least hit a few 3 pointers in a game. I'm not sure how they can miss as many as they do. With that said, I feel we'll be ok.. Maybe a few games under .500 in BE play and an NIT appearance. If a couple of guys, namely LJ and Heron actually perform to their capabilities, we could be .500 BE and on the bubble. I'd have signed up for either scenario last April when we had no coach and only a couple of players coming back.[/quote]

Unfortunately, I highly doubt .500 in conference is anywhere near in the cards now. To do that we will have to make up 2 games somewhere now that we are 0-2 and I just don't see it. We are lucky to shoot 25% from 3 in a game...that's how poor the shooting is. The last few years we had some decent shooters at least with Ahmed, Clark, Ponds (even though his 3 PT shooting wasn't great), Mussini, etc. but we had poor defense. Now we have good defense but poor offense. This was one of the few concerns about the CMA hire I had...still love it so far it's very early in his tenure obviously, but to put all our eggs in the defensive basket may make this a trend where offense is awful. Kind of reminds me of the Jets...never offensively inclined always defense first and they suffer for it. You need to have a balanced team on both ends to win consistently at this level. Other than possibly Cole, I don't see anyone else who is going to help with this and we likely lose LJ after this year plus Heron. So I doubt this is an exception...I think it will be the norm at least for several years until we start recruiting knock down shooters.

Last night was a splash of reality and it gave me the same feeling I had in the Mullin years where we just cannot seem to win in conference play consistently. It's stuff like this that prevents us from ever getting love in the top 25 polls. The pundits see us overperforming notching big OOC wins...and then just when they start watching us closely for consideration, we dig ourselves into a big hole to start conference play. Two huge things this program must correct are 1) abysmal Big East play to the point where we don't even look like we belong for years now 2) abysmal Big East tournament performances every year. This team showed who they really were last night, so at this rate making the NIT would be an amazing accomplishment. Build you up just to break you down...yet we keep coming back lol. Oh, those New York sports.
 
[quote="Jeff Smith" post=370933].....and we will have one bonafide 3 point shooter in Cole next year.[/quote]

Imo, critical to add another
 
Never thought I'd say this, but we need a 3 point shooter even more than a big. Steere has been somewhat of a disappointment, albeit early. Could see him possibly heading elsewhere, in which case he'd have to be replaced with a suitable big.
 
[quote="Delaware" post=370937]Never thought I'd say this, but we need a 3 point shooter even more than a big. Steere has been somewhat of a disappointment, albeit early. Could see him possibly heading elsewhere, in which case he'd have to be replaced with a suitable big.[/quote]

Outside of an injury or major foul trouble, I think Steere is permanantly on the bench. He looks lost out there.
 
Even when they're bricking threes...they're fun to watch. I would fine any player...or bench him...who throws up a three from this point of the season on. No threes!! I've never seen sucktion this powerful from three point land since I've followed this team.
 
[quote="newsman13" post=370940]Even when they're bricking threes...they're fun to watch. I would fine any player...or bench him...who throws up a three from this point of the season on. No threes!! I've never seen sucktion this powerful from three point land since I've followed this team.[/quote]

Is St johns the worst 3 point shooting team in the nation? I fear they might be.
 
In some ways Anderson and staff have overachieved to date. I think Steere was factored in as a credible big, but clearly the jury is out on that one, LJ & Heron have struggled to date & perimeter shooting is abysmal. The positives are team is well conditioned, play hard and generate a lot of turnovers.

In my opinion, enjoy the bumpy ride and be realistic that CMA will probably need two more seasons to construct a highly competitive, sustainable Big East roster. I expect some roster change after season to free up slots for a big and perimeter shooter to continue this process. Recruiting is the key to going forward obviously. Patience works for me at this point.
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=370942][quote="newsman13" post=370940]Even when they're bricking threes...they're fun to watch. I would fine any player...or bench him...who throws up a three from this point of the season on. No threes!! I've never seen sucktion this powerful from three point land since I've followed this team.[/quote]

Is St johns the worst 3 point shooting team in the nation? I fear they might be.[/quote]

Not quite, but close. 323rd.

[URL]https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/152/p7[/URL]

First five games of the year, we were 38/99 (38.3%). While that's not super great, it was far from terrible.

From the Arizona St. game until now, 47/192 (24.5%). Ouch.

It seems like most of our misses are on target, but front rimmed, or side rimmed if taken from the corner. That makes me believe that these guys were recruited as decent shooters, but they either haven't adjusted to the new distance, or their shot just does not extend to the new distance. Caraher especially, seems to be short on most of his shots.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=370946][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=370942][quote="newsman13" post=370940]Even when they're bricking threes...they're fun to watch. I would fine any player...or bench him...who throws up a three from this point of the season on. No threes!! I've never seen sucktion this powerful from three point land since I've followed this team.[/quote]

Is St johns the worst 3 point shooting team in the nation? I fear they might be.[/quote]

Not quite, but close. 323rd.

[URL]https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/152/p7[/URL]

First five games of the year, we were 38/99 (38.3%). While that's not super great, it was far from terrible.

From the Arizona St. game until now, 47/192 (24.5%). Ouch.

It seems like most of our misses are on target, but front rimmed, or side rimmed if taken from the corner. That makes me believe that these guys were recruited as decent shooters, but they either haven't adjusted to the new distance, or their shot just does not extend to the new distance. Caraher especially, seems to be short on most of his shots.[/quote]

That screams tired legs which could easily be explained by the pace MA runs.
 
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