(POST GAME) @Marquette, Tues. Jan. 21, 9pm, FS-1 / 970AM WNYM

[quote="MCNPA" post=373734][quote="Paultzman" post=373729][quote="newsman13" post=373726][quote="MCNPA" post=373724][quote="newsman13" post=373723][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=373706]It was a fun 1st half of the season, but tonight the nail was drilled into the coffin. Outside of winning the BE tourney, we have no hope of an ncaa tourney bid.

Realistically looking at this, it wont be till year 3 or 4 of CMA that we can have a really good team. And that is asuming he is going to get talent to come here.[/quote]

What, other than blind faith, makes you believe CMA will make us competitive in year three or four. We have no difference makers coming in next season. Fact is, this team has a mid-major stench to it. Why would anyone want to subject themselves to a loser career. CMA is an outstanding X and O coach. Even he can't turn chickenshit into chicken salad. We need a hustler like Lavin to bring in future pros.

The smart alternative is to give CMA a lifetime job...and we move to a lesser conference we can dominate. I'd love basketball to be fun again.[/quote]

I think CMA will bring in the talent. It’s getting a lot better with the next class but I agree that we need a lot more. We were left with nothing with our two “best” almost on the way out. A team takes a few years to rebuild even if we landed the best players. Right now we just aren’t there nor even close talent-wise to the rest of the league. The main thing is we have a very good coach and as the talent gets better the team will look a lot better over coming years. None of us have much patience for it, but we made so many bad coaching hires in the past that it’s no easy/quick fix. That said, I’m hoping we find another 2 scholarships to use even this season. If we can land a center like Gray and maybe another talented wing, we’d be rebuilding a bit faster.[/quote]
Gray and maybe another talented wing still won't put us in the top 30.[/quote]

Of course not, but a step in right direction. That said, to really get competitive plane they will have to land impact kids over next two cycles.

By year 3 we’ll get a better sense of that. We have a solid leader and coach, but it is all about getting BE level players. To be frank, re returnees only Greg & Julian strike me as such. Complementary guys like Marcellus & Roberts are good to have, but not of the impact level need here imo. You can’t consistently rely on coaching up lesser talented kids.

Posh will be an obvious upgrade, but PG is hardest spot to master & be patient with his development. I hope Cole & Moore have a solid impact next season, but it is prudent not to assume too much out of gate with Jucos. Yes, we have examples of Jucos who did, but many did not. Rebuilding is tricky & warrants patience. CMA can coach. Now let’s see what the recruiting part of equation looks like over next several years. Lastly, staff knows far better than us that they need to free up several spots to upgrade roster.[/quote]

Agree with all of this Paultz except I think Roberts has big upside. He’s already showing dominating stretches defensively and when tasked to step up on offense lately he has. He has great hands and next level leaping ability that sets him apart. He needs much more offensive consistency, more strength and to keep expanding his offensive game overall but I think he’s a guy I’d put easily with Champagnie and Williams. He’s made great progress this year and has skills that can cause problems for other teams if he keeps developing at the rate he has this season.[/quote]

I am also very high on Roberts. Everyone needs to remember that he essentially is a freshman this year since he received almost no playing time last year. He's playing just over 20 min per game and is averaging 6 points, 7 rebounds and 2 blocks per game while shooting 60% from the field. He needs to get stronger, work on the free throws and try to develop a baby hook. I can see a 15 points, 10 rebound, 3 block per game player in the future.

The PG position is key. You need someone who can orchestrate the offense. An effective PG raises the production of all of the other players. We just don't have that right now.

I've said this before but I see am rooting for the following path forward:
2020: winning record (probably just barely)
2021: NIT, maybe fringe of bubble
2020: NCAAs
 
[quote="Enright" post=373708]One of the many frustrating things about the season is that the coaches style of play appears to be working , SJU is averaging almost thirty steals plus turnovers a game. You can't expect that number to improve much if at all this year or next and yet not much to show for it.[/quote]

For the record I'm pretty sure a steal counts as a turnover so you're kind of double dipping there.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=373777][quote="Mike Zaun" post=373735]My opinions are correlated with results and evidence. We have been something like 5-26 in conference play the last handful of years. I was very excited with the OOC performance, however it turned out to be obvious fool's gold. Believe me, I wish there were three 4 star guys with 2 being shooters and 1 being a big coming next year. That would give real hope because maybe we have several players who can shoot and perhaps a real big. But we don't have that coming in. We have a former 4 star Posh coming in but again coming off major injury and stats show he cannot shoot well. And he's like 5'9 and that's the highlight of our class. Cole's stats are exciting but we will see what he brings at this level. Wusu is a HS recruit, but he was recruited by schools like Wagner and St. Peter's. That's like MAAC level recruiting. I know you can't totally go off other offers to gauge a player's talent but it's probably a pretty good indicator.

I don't see that 4 star 6'11 260 lb center or a few big time shooters coming in aside from maybe Cole. Let me ask you guys, let's assume Cole shoots 50% from 3 for us next year. Great...who else is shooting? That's my point...no one else will be able to. So we would go from Heron and LJ who can make occasional 3's at least to Cole. That's from 2 to 1 3 PT threat and I see Posh essentially being Dunn. Rather going off emotion, I'm genuinely curious to see real responses to this.[/quote]

A 6'11 260LB back to the basket center wouldn't fit CMA's style anyway even if he was a 5 star kid. We bigs that are athletic and can run the floor.[/quote]

If we got a 6 ft 11 center CMA could change his style. You adapt to your players skill and ability. Or are you saying if he got an Alcindor he wouldn't recruit him as he doesnt fit the style? I doubt it
 
I will say this CMA is a game coach. There are some things he does I dont agree with but he is a good coach. But will he recruit a big body and some 3 point hit men? I dont see it happening.
 
its pretty much the same convo after every loss... so we should get used to it atleast 7-10 more times...

flipping the script a bit... realizing what we have to work with... is anyone impressed just simply by the fact we are able to compete with what we were left with? honestly, taking a step back- looking at who have been our contributors, im frankly impressed we have had leads over the likes of Seton hall, Butler, Marquette, not even mentioning the wins over WV and Zona... the OOC schedule really messed with a lot of people's psyche for barometer of success for this group of players.

If we are looking at it rationally... would anyone think that transfers from powerhouses like Monmouth and St. Francis/Cleveland St would anchor a competitive BE team?

Relying on role players to contribute from Houston Baptist and one that was better in a different sport?

I forget LJ's potential transfer options when he was in the portal for 3 days... but wasnt it Western Kentucky? dont recall UNC lining up for his services (even though they could use him now)

Don't know Roberts recruiting battle, but he been much more than what we saw last year (which was nothing).

The past teams (who didnt fare too well in BE play either) was atleast working with transfers from Zona /Mich St / Texas AM....

Only outlier i see is Heron. Killed it at Auburn, maybe he is still battling injuries or just isnt used to being an alpha on a team, but the skill is there for him- hoping it clicks.

Long story short... Anderson has this group of players competing in games they have no business being in. They are a competitive bunch and go hard each game (cept the Gtown anomaly). Enjoy the effort, wins will come.
 
The solution to SJU's move to the top rung of the big east is obvious but not that easy to accomplish. I never saw Anderson's Arkansas team play but when he was ass't. to Nolan Richardson those teams were loaded with players with athletic ability like Williams ,usually about 6' 5" who had decent outside shooting skills. They didn't shoot from the three pt line often but mostly from around eighteen ft. Three pt attempts were nowhere near as popular then as they are now.
Their success was mostly due to their pressure defense. If as some posters suggest SJU brings in players with skills like Mussini there goes your pressure defense strategy.
The reason for this year's team failure is that they are a very bad shooting team. They struggle to make baskets even around the rim. If they had reasonable shooting skills they would have at least a couple of more wins and things wouldn't seem so desperate.
Hopefully next year the roster has a few decent shooters and the pressure defense results in a much better record.
 
[quote="usguard" post=373770]There is a difference taking 50 shot S
and 250 shots Also there is a right way to practice shooting with supervision making sure a staff member is watching to keep pointing out what you can do better not just having you go take a bunch of shots. It’s like practicing the piano
Practice an hour a day and you can play some songs practice much more and if you have talent you become really good
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Chris Mullin was a gym rat and it paid off
Guess what I am saying if you want to be very good at something you need to put in the time and hard work to achieve it[/quote]u

Perfect practice make Perfect.
That is, an educated approach (with coaching) with a mindful effort.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=373791][quote="Jack Williams" post=373785]My question to Zaun and anyone on here coming with all the doom and gloom, what is your solution?

We hired Mullin who was a failure. We now have a better coach in here who is doing his best with an offensively challenged roster.

There is no quick fix in college basketball, especially when you’re St John’s. There’s no slapping a band aid on our program and making us a successful tournament team all of the sudden.

It’s a process. I like the recruits we have coming in. I like some of the young players we have now who are getting better.

You guys keep getting hung up on the recruits but a lot of the time in college basketball it comes down to existing players making big leaps in between years. I see Greg, Roberts, as candidates to be those kind of guys.

I’m STILL excited for the future of the program. It seems everyone here was a couple weeks ago but are now losing faith. I’m not

The big east is great this year. We aren’t great. But guess what? We’ve blown a couple close games. We could easily be 3-4 right now with wins over two of the best teams in the conference. I understand we lost and your record is what it says you are, but we are CLOSER than the doom and gloomers make it sound.

We don’t need an influx of 5 stars to come in and save us, let Mike A get his guys and I trust we will take a step forward every season.

We WILL be better next season. You can quote me on that[/quote]

I don't "come" with the doom and gloom. I'm simply reacting to actual doom and gloom the program is giving off because of its 1-6 Big East record. That's the biggest conflation. No objective SJ fan wants to be negative and no objective SJ fan tries to be negative. If results are very negative, you will see very negative fan reactions. When things were great in OOC, was I negative? No I was very hopeful. But that turned out to be fool's gold. So now I'm re-evaluating. I thought the players were developed a ton already because of OOC but now they all look pretty bad, so I'm re-evaluating. Maybe next year we really are much better and we all breathe a sigh of relief. I hope so.

My solution? If you can't find 3 or 4 star guys who are pure shooters and not a complete liability defensively/athletically, then you go D2 if you have to. But I'm sure we could land some transfers from mid majors who dream of playing at this level. Get a few of those types then design plays to get them open. Once you show teams you can make 3's, they will open the paint more. I'd do the same for a real big. Go D2 if you have to. Plenty of 6'10+ 225+ type guys who would love to be in the Big East. And then you hope our staff coaches them up too. The thing is, these players are out there. They want to come. We just don't try that route. What player would want to stay at some little college in a little conference when they could contribute immediately here? There are better players on mid major teams than our team right now especially shooting wise.[/quote]

But you do. You always have. And then you brand your takes as the “realistic” viewpoint. That’s all your doing is being realistic.. are you?

Context is important. We aren’t quite good enough this year to be a tournament team. The Big East is the best it’s been since realignment. Us being at the bottom is probably where we should be. I know no one wants to hear that, but I said it at the beginning of the season, it was gonna be a long season in the big east cause we are rebuilding and everyone else except maybe Georgetown due to their scandals is really good.

You know what’s not a realistic reaction to the results? Writing off next season. Again, I said this last night, we have no idea who will progress during the offseason, we have no idea what recruits will bring. A lot of times guys are vastly under ranked. And as someone else pointed out in this thread, we have no idea what the rest of the conference will look like. I do know Powell and Howard are done. Kamar Baldwin is done.

Maybe they come in and stink. Maybe they don’t. But my or your guess is as good as any. So don’t act like your perspective is the correct one. Time will tell. I’d rather be the guy who doesn’t throw in the towel 9 months before a season starts.

Also, poach mid major kids? Your saying get a kid from maybe a Houston Baptist? Amazing idea we should try that
 
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Not sure what the realistic expectation could really be.

11-2 OOC including wins over the two best teams on that portion of the schedule was a bigtime exceeds.

In 3 home conference games we won the only game in which we were favored, and lost to the then #11 and #18 teams in the country by a combined 5 points.

0-4 on the road, but the road is going to be ugly for a lot of teams in this league this year. 3 of 4 were in game in 2nd half.

That's below expectations in conference, but combine the two and we're probably about where we should be. Absolute best case right now I probably would have thought 10-3 OOC, 3-4 BE, 13-7 overall. So we're off that by a game. The issue is it was and still is projected to get worse from here.

Not one for moral victories, nor an apologist. But the way this team shoots 3s and free throws coupled with the general inability to score in the half court, it is frankly astonishing they are in many of these games at all. Notwithstanding that, the fact that they have only had their doors blown off 1.5x all year (GTown and ASU) might be the most impressive statistic of all.

It will be very difficult for there to be less individual talent on next year's roster, and there will almost certainly be more balance from a skillset perspective. That doesn't mean we'll take the necessary leap that will likely be needed in Year 3, but the fact that team hasn't gotten dejected and is taking far superior teams to the wire on effectively defense and guts is reason for optimism.

The primary thing i would question CMA on right now is handling of Champagnie. Frosh hitting wall in conference was predictable, point was made vs. GTown, pretty nice bounceback vs. DePaul but its been a little choppy since. After 8&9 last night in 20 minutes would like to see CMA build him back up with re-entry to starting lineup to see if we can really get him going again. This is about the next 3 years, not the rest of this season, key piece of the puzzle.
 
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[quote="Monte" post=373719][quote="MJDinkins" post=373717][quote="Class of 72" post=373714]I'm sure you all are disappointed with the loss.  Well not all, especially those still having flashbacks to the great games played during the last staff's debacle. 
After all, those delusional folks think that finally being the last team invited to the tourney last season where they were quickly dispatched back to reality was the defining moment of the Mullin era.  Those teams played like absolute crap for 4 long years.  That level of bad play is not evident even by this outmatched team.
While we lost to the Hall because of the play of one of the best guards in college basketball, we lost to Marquette because of Marcus Howard who will soon become the leading scorer in college basketball history. He was the difference maker plain and simple.
Our paucity of talented guards is on full display.  Our middle has a big hole as well.
We start Dunn and Rutherford in the backcourt. Combined they were useless against a player of Howard's quality.  In the middle we start Roberts who has so many splinters on his ass from not playing under the last coaching imposters he is doing his best but obviously he is not starting material at present.  Marcellus had a bad game tonight but unfortunately he has to overwork to make up for Caraher and his shortcomings.  Steere must have a 4 minute guaranteed time contract that affects his defense.
The fact is all we got is Figueroa and Heron and neither is having a memorable season.  But there are more games to play.  So, we should applaud our players and coaches for making almost every game winnable which was unheard of with the last regime.[/quote]

By the way, Markus Howard won't ever become the all-time leading scorer in college basketball. He's a long ways off from making that possible, and it won't happen unless he had another season (which he doesn't).[/quote]

Gotta love 72’s late night posts lol[/quote]

It was late and I think I meant Big East college basketball history. Lol
 
I speak to someone regularly that is quite possibly the most impatient person on the planet, and I even have him saying "it's gonna take 3 years". Sorry, but rebuilds are not done overnight. For the first time in as long as I can remember we have a coach that will recruit to a specific system instead of just anyone who wants to come.

The future is bright guys, but you have to be patient.
 
Let's try to put things in perspective here. I'm using KenPom metrics. While they are not perfect, they are a fairly advance and more importantly OBJECTIVE measure.

This season as of 1/22/2020: 78th

Chris Mullin years:
2019: 88
2018: 74
2017: 99
2016: 211

Steve Lavin years:
2015: 50
2014: 54
2013: 103
2012: 157
2011: 41

Norm Roberts years:
2020: 67
2009: 121
2008: 140
2007: 129
2006: 117
2005: 105

Mike Jarvis years:
2004: 200* (other complications)
2003: 67
2002: 76
2001: 79
2000: 29
1999: 7

Fran Fraschilla years:
1998: 37
1997: 70


So, this year's team is performing about as well as any of Chris Mullin's teams even though we only have two players that entered the year having averaged more than 2 points per game in a power conference. The team has flaws, but has hustled and fought just about every step of the way. We've seen significant growth or flashes of very good play/production from Earlington, Williams Jr and Roberts. We just have the bad luck as this is as strong a conference has ever been from top to bottom. (We are rated higher than 6 ACC teams as of today, higher than 6 SEC teams, higher than 2 Big 10 teams, 2 Big 12 teams and 7 Pac12 teams, but zero Big East teams)
 
[quote="weathermannyc" post=373817]Let's try to put things in perspective here. I'm using KenPom metrics. While they are not perfect, they are a fairly advance and more importantly OBJECTIVE measure.

This season as of 1/22/2020: 78th

Chris Mullin years:
2019: 88
2018: 74
2017: 99
2016: 211

Steve Lavin years:
2015: 50
2014: 54
2013: 103
2012: 157
2011: 41

Norm Roberts years:
2020: 67
2009: 121
2008: 140
2007: 129
2006: 117
2005: 105

Mike Jarvis years:
2004: 200* (other complications)
2003: 67
2002: 76
2001: 79
2000: 29
1999: 7

Fran Fraschilla years:
1998: 37
1997: 70


So, this year's team is performing about as well as any of Chris Mullin's teams even though we only have two players that entered the year having averaged more than 2 points per game in a power conference. The team has flaws, but has hustled and fought just about every step of the way. We've seen significant growth or flashes of very good play/production from Earlington, Williams Jr and Roberts. We just have the bad luck as this is as strong a conference has ever been from top to bottom. (We are rated higher than 6 ACC teams as of today, higher than 6 SEC teams, higher than 2 Big 10 teams, 2 Big 12 teams and 7 Pac12 teams, but zero Big East teams)[/quote]

How dare you not include the brian mahoney years.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=373805]

It was late and I think I meant Big East college basketball history. Lol[/quote]

Yup, and barring an injury that seems to be a foregone conclusion. He'd only have to average 13.8 for the balance of the season and in 1 BET game to pass Troy Bell.
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=373819][quote="weathermannyc" post=373817]Let's try to put things in perspective here. I'm using KenPom metrics. While they are not perfect, they are a fairly advance and more importantly OBJECTIVE measure.

This season as of 1/22/2020: 78th

Chris Mullin years:
2019: 88
2018: 74
2017: 99
2016: 211

Steve Lavin years:
2015: 50
2014: 54
2013: 103
2012: 157
2011: 41

Norm Roberts years:
2020: 67
2009: 121
2008: 140
2007: 129
2006: 117
2005: 105

Mike Jarvis years:
2004: 200* (other complications)
2003: 67
2002: 76
2001: 79
2000: 29
1999: 7

Fran Fraschilla years:
1998: 37
1997: 70


So, this year's team is performing about as well as any of Chris Mullin's teams even though we only have two players that entered the year having averaged more than 2 points per game in a power conference. The team has flaws, but has hustled and fought just about every step of the way. We've seen significant growth or flashes of very good play/production from Earlington, Williams Jr and Roberts. We just have the bad luck as this is as strong a conference has ever been from top to bottom. (We are rated higher than 6 ACC teams as of today, higher than 6 SEC teams, higher than 2 Big 10 teams, 2 Big 12 teams and 7 Pac12 teams, but zero Big East teams)[/quote]

How dare you not include the brian mahoney years.[/quote]

I went as far as the metrics would allow. there are no calculations from earlier years.
 
[quote="dee" post=373798][quote="Mean Gene" post=373777][quote="Mike Zaun" post=373735]My opinions are correlated with results and evidence. We have been something like 5-26 in conference play the last handful of years. I was very excited with the OOC performance, however it turned out to be obvious fool's gold. Believe me, I wish there were three 4 star guys with 2 being shooters and 1 being a big coming next year. That would give real hope because maybe we have several players who can shoot and perhaps a real big. But we don't have that coming in. We have a former 4 star Posh coming in but again coming off major injury and stats show he cannot shoot well. And he's like 5'9 and that's the highlight of our class. Cole's stats are exciting but we will see what he brings at this level. Wusu is a HS recruit, but he was recruited by schools like Wagner and St. Peter's. That's like MAAC level recruiting. I know you can't totally go off other offers to gauge a player's talent but it's probably a pretty good indicator.

I don't see that 4 star 6'11 260 lb center or a few big time shooters coming in aside from maybe Cole. Let me ask you guys, let's assume Cole shoots 50% from 3 for us next year. Great...who else is shooting? That's my point...no one else will be able to. So we would go from Heron and LJ who can make occasional 3's at least to Cole. That's from 2 to 1 3 PT threat and I see Posh essentially being Dunn. Rather going off emotion, I'm genuinely curious to see real responses to this.[/quote]

A 6'11 260LB back to the basket center wouldn't fit CMA's style anyway even if he was a 5 star kid. We bigs that are athletic and can run the floor.[/quote]

If we got a 6 ft 11 center CMA could change his style. You adapt to your players skill and ability. Or are you saying if he got an Alcindor he wouldn't recruit him as he doesnt fit the style? I doubt it[/quote]

CMA recruits to his system and he knows what type of players fit his system. A 6’11 260 lb back to the basket guy does not fit his system 5 star or not. He’s not changing his system. Now, if there’s a 5 star 6’9 230lb kid who runs the floor like a dear and is athletic enough to be effective in the pressure defense he runs then he’ll go get him if he wants to come here. But he’s not going to impart a totally different style for one player. It’s just not his way.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=373828][quote="dee" post=373798][quote="Mean Gene" post=373777][quote="Mike Zaun" post=373735]My opinions are correlated with results and evidence. We have been something like 5-26 in conference play the last handful of years. I was very excited with the OOC performance, however it turned out to be obvious fool's gold. Believe me, I wish there were three 4 star guys with 2 being shooters and 1 being a big coming next year. That would give real hope because maybe we have several players who can shoot and perhaps a real big. But we don't have that coming in. We have a former 4 star Posh coming in but again coming off major injury and stats show he cannot shoot well. And he's like 5'9 and that's the highlight of our class. Cole's stats are exciting but we will see what he brings at this level. Wusu is a HS recruit, but he was recruited by schools like Wagner and St. Peter's. That's like MAAC level recruiting. I know you can't totally go off other offers to gauge a player's talent but it's probably a pretty good indicator.

I don't see that 4 star 6'11 260 lb center or a few big time shooters coming in aside from maybe Cole. Let me ask you guys, let's assume Cole shoots 50% from 3 for us next year. Great...who else is shooting? That's my point...no one else will be able to. So we would go from Heron and LJ who can make occasional 3's at least to Cole. That's from 2 to 1 3 PT threat and I see Posh essentially being Dunn. Rather going off emotion, I'm genuinely curious to see real responses to this.[/quote]

A 6'11 260LB back to the basket center wouldn't fit CMA's style anyway even if he was a 5 star kid. We bigs that are athletic and can run the floor.[/quote]

If we got a 6 ft 11 center CMA could change his style. You adapt to your players skill and ability. Or are you saying if he got an Alcindor he wouldn't recruit him as he doesnt fit the style? I doubt it[/quote]

CMA recruits to his system and he knows what type of players fit his system. A 6’11 260 lb back to the basket guy does not fit his system 5 star or not. He’s not changing his system. Now, if there’s a 5 star 6’9 230lb kid who runs the floor like a dear and is athletic enough to be effective in the pressure defense he runs then he’ll go get him if he wants to come here. But he’s not going to impart a totally different style for one player. It’s just not his way.[/quote]

Bobby Portis fit his style. A guy like Josh Gray would be perfect. We can recruit big guys without a problem in this style. It won’t be the lumbering type.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=373829][quote="Mean Gene" post=373828][quote="dee" post=373798][quote="Mean Gene" post=373777][quote="Mike Zaun" post=373735]My opinions are correlated with results and evidence. We have been something like 5-26 in conference play the last handful of years. I was very excited with the OOC performance, however it turned out to be obvious fool's gold. Believe me, I wish there were three 4 star guys with 2 being shooters and 1 being a big coming next year. That would give real hope because maybe we have several players who can shoot and perhaps a real big. But we don't have that coming in. We have a former 4 star Posh coming in but again coming off major injury and stats show he cannot shoot well. And he's like 5'9 and that's the highlight of our class. Cole's stats are exciting but we will see what he brings at this level. Wusu is a HS recruit, but he was recruited by schools like Wagner and St. Peter's. That's like MAAC level recruiting. I know you can't totally go off other offers to gauge a player's talent but it's probably a pretty good indicator.

I don't see that 4 star 6'11 260 lb center or a few big time shooters coming in aside from maybe Cole. Let me ask you guys, let's assume Cole shoots 50% from 3 for us next year. Great...who else is shooting? That's my point...no one else will be able to. So we would go from Heron and LJ who can make occasional 3's at least to Cole. That's from 2 to 1 3 PT threat and I see Posh essentially being Dunn. Rather going off emotion, I'm genuinely curious to see real responses to this.[/quote]

A 6'11 260LB back to the basket center wouldn't fit CMA's style anyway even if he was a 5 star kid. We bigs that are athletic and can run the floor.[/quote]

If we got a 6 ft 11 center CMA could change his style. You adapt to your players skill and ability. Or are you saying if he got an Alcindor he wouldn't recruit him as he doesnt fit the style? I doubt it[/quote]

CMA recruits to his system and he knows what type of players fit his system. A 6’11 260 lb back to the basket guy does not fit his system 5 star or not. He’s not changing his system. Now, if there’s a 5 star 6’9 230lb kid who runs the floor like a dear and is athletic enough to be effective in the pressure defense he runs then he’ll go get him if he wants to come here. But he’s not going to impart a totally different style for one player. It’s just not his way.[/quote]

Bobby Portis fit his style. A guy like Josh Gray would be perfect. We can recruit big guys without a problem in this style. It won’t be the lumbering type.[/quote]

Exactly MCNPA
 
MCNPA wrote: Bobby Portis fit his style. A guy like Josh Gray would be perfect. We can recruit big guys without a problem in this style. It won’t be the lumbering type.

Or Daniel Gafford, best player from CMA's team last year, who is 6'10" around 230 and currently playing with Bulls. I saw a few of the Bulls summer league games mainly to watch Justin Simon and Gafford is a good mobile big.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=373828][quote="dee" post=373798][quote="Mean Gene" post=373777][quote="Mike Zaun" post=373735]My opinions are correlated with results and evidence. We have been something like 5-26 in conference play the last handful of years. I was very excited with the OOC performance, however it turned out to be obvious fool's gold. Believe me, I wish there were three 4 star guys with 2 being shooters and 1 being a big coming next year. That would give real hope because maybe we have several players who can shoot and perhaps a real big. But we don't have that coming in. We have a former 4 star Posh coming in but again coming off major injury and stats show he cannot shoot well. And he's like 5'9 and that's the highlight of our class. Cole's stats are exciting but we will see what he brings at this level. Wusu is a HS recruit, but he was recruited by schools like Wagner and St. Peter's. That's like MAAC level recruiting. I know you can't totally go off other offers to gauge a player's talent but it's probably a pretty good indicator.

I don't see that 4 star 6'11 260 lb center or a few big time shooters coming in aside from maybe Cole. Let me ask you guys, let's assume Cole shoots 50% from 3 for us next year. Great...who else is shooting? That's my point...no one else will be able to. So we would go from Heron and LJ who can make occasional 3's at least to Cole. That's from 2 to 1 3 PT threat and I see Posh essentially being Dunn. Rather going off emotion, I'm genuinely curious to see real responses to this.[/quote]

A 6'11 260LB back to the basket center wouldn't fit CMA's style anyway even if he was a 5 star kid. We bigs that are athletic and can run the floor.[/quote]

If we got a 6 ft 11 center CMA could change his style. You adapt to your players skill and ability. Or are you saying if he got an Alcindor he wouldn't recruit him as he doesnt fit the style? I doubt it[/quote]

CMA recruits to his system and he knows what type of players fit his system. A 6’11 260 lb back to the basket guy does not fit his system 5 star or not. He’s not changing his system. Now, if there’s a 5 star 6’9 230lb kid who runs the floor like a dear and is athletic enough to be effective in the pressure defense he runs then he’ll go get him if he wants to come here. But he’s not going to impart a totally different style for one player. It’s just not his way.[/quote]

Yeah, but if Doh was here.................... If you factor in that Dee wants to recruit to HIS type of player, then it all makes sense.
 
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