(POST GAME) (HofF@Mohegan Sun) UMass, Sun. Nov. 24, 3:30p, ESPN2, 970 WNYM
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L J S A
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[quote="JackofVirginia" post=364942][quote="sjc88" post=364877]It is too bad that SJU didn’t get to play UVA. I was hoping to see the clash in the style of play. No doubt SJU would have been in deep trouble. Just would have been interesting. Heck they beat ASU by just 3. Although they seem to beat everyone by “just 3” or so it seems.[/quote]
I also wanted UVA. defensive wizards for sure, however offensively only have Diakite.[/quote]
The system will always work great. But in years where they have less talent, they'll win a bunch of close games all year and lose early in the tournament relative to their ranking.
I also wanted UVA. defensive wizards for sure, however offensively only have Diakite.[/quote]
The system will always work great. But in years where they have less talent, they'll win a bunch of close games all year and lose early in the tournament relative to their ranking.
MarkRedman
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[quote="JackofVirginia" post=364941][quote="Paultzman" post=364860]Steere, if as good as advertised, Champagnie and Josh certainly appear to be nice interior, BE level pieces. That’s a solid core to build the program on. Some complementary baseline guys like David and Marcellus appear to be competent role guys. Not bod![/quote]
If Steere is going to start when he returns who will sit? Rutterford and Heron in backcourt and upfront LJ,, Steere and Roberts. Tough to sit Champagnie.[/quote]
I would be surprised if Steere starts right away
I think CMA will make Steere earn his way into the lineup
If Steere is going to start when he returns who will sit? Rutterford and Heron in backcourt and upfront LJ,, Steere and Roberts. Tough to sit Champagnie.[/quote]
I would be surprised if Steere starts right away
I think CMA will make Steere earn his way into the lineup
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[quote="MarkRedman" post=364954][quote="JackofVirginia" post=364941][quote="Paultzman" post=364860]Steere, if as good as advertised, Champagnie and Josh certainly appear to be nice interior, BE level pieces. That’s a solid core to build the program on. Some complementary baseline guys like David and Marcellus appear to be competent role guys. Not bod![/quote]
If Steere is going to start when he returns who will sit? Rutterford and Heron in backcourt and upfront LJ,, Steere and Roberts. Tough to sit Champagnie.[/quote]
I would be surprised if Steere starts right away
I think CMA will make Steere earn his way into the lineup[/quote]
I think by BE play we'll see what the starting five will be. No matter who starts, Steere/Roberts, Dunn/Rutherford, we'll still have more depth. Big key for me is Josh not getting into foul trouble like he did against ASU.
If Steere is going to start when he returns who will sit? Rutterford and Heron in backcourt and upfront LJ,, Steere and Roberts. Tough to sit Champagnie.[/quote]
I would be surprised if Steere starts right away
I think CMA will make Steere earn his way into the lineup[/quote]
I think by BE play we'll see what the starting five will be. No matter who starts, Steere/Roberts, Dunn/Rutherford, we'll still have more depth. Big key for me is Josh not getting into foul trouble like he did against ASU.
L J S A
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[quote="MarkRedman" post=364954][quote="JackofVirginia" post=364941][quote="Paultzman" post=364860]Steere, if as good as advertised, Champagnie and Josh certainly appear to be nice interior, BE level pieces. That’s a solid core to build the program on. Some complementary baseline guys like David and Marcellus appear to be competent role guys. Not bod![/quote]
If Steere is going to start when he returns who will sit? Rutterford and Heron in backcourt and upfront LJ,, Steere and Roberts. Tough to sit Champagnie.[/quote]
I would be surprised if Steere starts right away
I think CMA will make Steere earn his way into the lineup[/quote]
I think he's probably already earned it in practice. I'd like to see what Steere, Roberts, Champagnie, Heron, and Figgy look like together. Let the guy who can most easily bring the ball up court play the point while on offense.
If Steere is going to start when he returns who will sit? Rutterford and Heron in backcourt and upfront LJ,, Steere and Roberts. Tough to sit Champagnie.[/quote]
I would be surprised if Steere starts right away
I think CMA will make Steere earn his way into the lineup[/quote]
I think he's probably already earned it in practice. I'd like to see what Steere, Roberts, Champagnie, Heron, and Figgy look like together. Let the guy who can most easily bring the ball up court play the point while on offense.
MarkRedman
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[quote="Section9" post=364961][quote="MarkRedman" post=364954][quote="JackofVirginia" post=364941][quote="Paultzman" post=364860]Steere, if as good as advertised, Champagnie and Josh certainly appear to be nice interior, BE level pieces. That’s a solid core to build the program on. Some complementary baseline guys like David and Marcellus appear to be competent role guys. Not bod![/quote]
If Steere is going to start when he returns who will sit? Rutterford and Heron in backcourt and upfront LJ,, Steere and Roberts. Tough to sit Champagnie.[/quote]
I would be surprised if Steere starts right away
I think CMA will make Steere earn his way into the lineup[/quote]
I think by BE play we'll see what the starting five will be. No matter who starts, Steere/Roberts, Dunn/Rutherford, we'll still have more depth. Big key for me is Josh not getting into foul trouble like he did against ASU.[/quote]
I agree, but if Steere is as good as advertised, he will take some pressure off Roberts to defend guys who are bigger and bulkier than he is. That should help Roberts limit his fouls.
If Steere is going to start when he returns who will sit? Rutterford and Heron in backcourt and upfront LJ,, Steere and Roberts. Tough to sit Champagnie.[/quote]
I would be surprised if Steere starts right away
I think CMA will make Steere earn his way into the lineup[/quote]
I think by BE play we'll see what the starting five will be. No matter who starts, Steere/Roberts, Dunn/Rutherford, we'll still have more depth. Big key for me is Josh not getting into foul trouble like he did against ASU.[/quote]
I agree, but if Steere is as good as advertised, he will take some pressure off Roberts to defend guys who are bigger and bulkier than he is. That should help Roberts limit his fouls.
[quote="MarkRedman" post=364963][quote="Section9" post=364961][quote="MarkRedman" post=364954][quote="JackofVirginia" post=364941][quote="Paultzman" post=364860]Steere, if as good as advertised, Champagnie and Josh certainly appear to be nice interior, BE level pieces. That’s a solid core to build the program on. Some complementary baseline guys like David and Marcellus appear to be competent role guys. Not bod![/quote]
If Steere is going to start when he returns who will sit? Rutterford and Heron in backcourt and upfront LJ,, Steere and Roberts. Tough to sit Champagnie.[/quote]
I would be surprised if Steere starts right away
I think CMA will make Steere earn his way into the lineup[/quote]
I think by BE play we'll see what the starting five will be. No matter who starts, Steere/Roberts, Dunn/Rutherford, we'll still have more depth. Big key for me is Josh not getting into foul trouble like he did against ASU.[/quote]
I agree, but if Steere is as good as advertised, he will take some pressure off Roberts to defend guys who are bigger and bulkier than he is. That should help Roberts limit his fouls.[/quote]
In my summary the other day I anticipated Josh getting more fouls as the competition picked up. Adding Steere will definitely help him. And to be fair he plays smart most of the time.
If Steere is going to start when he returns who will sit? Rutterford and Heron in backcourt and upfront LJ,, Steere and Roberts. Tough to sit Champagnie.[/quote]
I would be surprised if Steere starts right away
I think CMA will make Steere earn his way into the lineup[/quote]
I think by BE play we'll see what the starting five will be. No matter who starts, Steere/Roberts, Dunn/Rutherford, we'll still have more depth. Big key for me is Josh not getting into foul trouble like he did against ASU.[/quote]
I agree, but if Steere is as good as advertised, he will take some pressure off Roberts to defend guys who are bigger and bulkier than he is. That should help Roberts limit his fouls.[/quote]
In my summary the other day I anticipated Josh getting more fouls as the competition picked up. Adding Steere will definitely help him. And to be fair he plays smart most of the time.
think he's probably already earned it in practice. I'd like to see what Steere, Roberts, Champagnie, Heron, and Figgy look like together. Let the guy who can most easily bring the ball up court play the point while on offense.
I agree with above starting five as I wouldn’t remove any of the “Glue” guys like Roberts , Champagnie, Figgy. You can’t leave Heron out of lineup, I’d let him keep starting until he gets himself right. Give Steele the start and see how the ball movement is , then bringing in Dunn/Rutherford,Caraher, Earlington as needed and situationally.
I agree with above starting five as I wouldn’t remove any of the “Glue” guys like Roberts , Champagnie, Figgy. You can’t leave Heron out of lineup, I’d let him keep starting until he gets himself right. Give Steele the start and see how the ball movement is , then bringing in Dunn/Rutherford,Caraher, Earlington as needed and situationally.
[quote="Delaware" post=364892]I give Rutherford a lot of credit. Anderson got all over him in the 1st half, and intstead if moping, took it to heart and had a really effective 2nd half.[/quote]
Great observation. Sat for a while and made most of it when he returned.
Needs to go harder to rim when goes for layup. He brings the ball down and away to avoid blocks and, in reality, makes it easier to contest without drawing a foul.
Great observation. Sat for a while and made most of it when he returned.
Needs to go harder to rim when goes for layup. He brings the ball down and away to avoid blocks and, in reality, makes it easier to contest without drawing a foul.
[quote="Adam" post=364917]I am certainly not giving up on Heron, but this is his final year. Given that this is a rebuilding year, it's far more promising long-term that freshmen/sophomores like Caraher, Champagnie and Roberts have over-performed. We haven't had that happen with recruits outside of the 4/5 star range in probably at least a decade. Their play thus far relative to recruiting rankings has been excellent. If you told me they were top 50/100 high school students I absolutely would have believed it.
Obviously we'd all love to have both Heron/LJ meeting expectations and the lower classmen overachieving, but if we had to pick one then the results thus far have been very promising. A month ago I was MUCH more concerned about 20-21 (losing Heron and possibly LJ) than this year. I was anticipating a repeat of Mullin's first couple years, which would hurt our recruiting momentum given that it'd be year 2 of the CMA era rather than year 1. Fortunately the future looks bright and this year won't be a lost one.[/quote]
We need him to get his game back. But, silver lining, is that rest of team is getting opportunity to contribute and gaining confidence. Early on, I was concerned that heron and LJ were going to dominate the ball and the shots to the detriment of the team.
Obviously we'd all love to have both Heron/LJ meeting expectations and the lower classmen overachieving, but if we had to pick one then the results thus far have been very promising. A month ago I was MUCH more concerned about 20-21 (losing Heron and possibly LJ) than this year. I was anticipating a repeat of Mullin's first couple years, which would hurt our recruiting momentum given that it'd be year 2 of the CMA era rather than year 1. Fortunately the future looks bright and this year won't be a lost one.[/quote]
We need him to get his game back. But, silver lining, is that rest of team is getting opportunity to contribute and gaining confidence. Early on, I was concerned that heron and LJ were going to dominate the ball and the shots to the detriment of the team.
[quote="L J S A" post=364962][quote="MarkRedman" post=364954][quote="JackofVirginia" post=364941][quote="Paultzman" post=364860]Steere, if as good as advertised, Champagnie and Josh certainly appear to be nice interior, BE level pieces. That’s a solid core to build the program on. Some complementary baseline guys like David and Marcellus appear to be competent role guys. Not bod![/quote]
If Steere is going to start when he returns who will sit? Rutterford and Heron in backcourt and upfront LJ,, Steere and Roberts. Tough to sit Champagnie.[/quote]
I would be surprised if Steere starts right away
I think CMA will make Steere earn his way into the lineup[/quote]
I think he's probably already earned it in practice. I'd like to see what Steere, Roberts, Champagnie, Heron, and Figgy look like together. Let the guy who can most easily bring the ball up court play the point while on offense.[/quote]
Lol Steere will probably come off the bench the rest of the year. Other guys have established their place and the spot he is playing has 2 guys playing really good basketball.
Plus, he hasn’t played in a game for a while. Give him a chance to get acclimated to the intensity. I just don’t see him taking Roberts or Champagnie’s spot. And Mustapha and Figg aren’t point guards. So you can’t push out a distributor.
If Steere is going to start when he returns who will sit? Rutterford and Heron in backcourt and upfront LJ,, Steere and Roberts. Tough to sit Champagnie.[/quote]
I would be surprised if Steere starts right away
I think CMA will make Steere earn his way into the lineup[/quote]
I think he's probably already earned it in practice. I'd like to see what Steere, Roberts, Champagnie, Heron, and Figgy look like together. Let the guy who can most easily bring the ball up court play the point while on offense.[/quote]
Lol Steere will probably come off the bench the rest of the year. Other guys have established their place and the spot he is playing has 2 guys playing really good basketball.
Plus, he hasn’t played in a game for a while. Give him a chance to get acclimated to the intensity. I just don’t see him taking Roberts or Champagnie’s spot. And Mustapha and Figg aren’t point guards. So you can’t push out a distributor.
[quote="MarkRedman" post=364873]Really pleased with Roberts' growth
Caraher looks like he's more than a one trick pony - willing to mix it up
Champagnie settling in nicely as a frosh
Earlington continues to give good minutes off the bench
One concern - we need a steady ball handler against full court pressure
We looked very shaky against their press, especially when Rutherford was on the bench[/quote]
Still think that once he shakes off the cobwebs, Dunn is the one to break the press most often. With help of course. He’s got the size, strength and athletic ability. I like Rutherford, but he’s going to have a really tough time breaking the press consistently against better comp.
Caraher looks like he's more than a one trick pony - willing to mix it up
Champagnie settling in nicely as a frosh
Earlington continues to give good minutes off the bench
One concern - we need a steady ball handler against full court pressure
We looked very shaky against their press, especially when Rutherford was on the bench[/quote]
Still think that once he shakes off the cobwebs, Dunn is the one to break the press most often. With help of course. He’s got the size, strength and athletic ability. I like Rutherford, but he’s going to have a really tough time breaking the press consistently against better comp.
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Ray Morgan
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What's interesting about this game and some of the others is that the players with the least experience, Champ, Earlington and Roberts seem to be far looser than our upperclassmen. No matter what the score is, Champ has the look of a zen master with everything under control. Hard to believe that he is a freshman.
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[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=364966]Ironically everyone said we need another big. But, w Steere,Roberts, Champagne and Earlington, we will be good in that dept. especially next year.[/quote]
Don't forget the addition of 6'10 Moore who will be more mature next year.
Don't forget the addition of 6'10 Moore who will be more mature next year.
[quote="Class of 72" post=365089][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=364966]Ironically everyone said we need another big. But, w Steere,Roberts, Champagne and Earlington, we will be good in that dept. especially next year.[/quote]
Don't forget the addition of 6'10 Moore who will be more mature next year.[/quote] Can’t judge him at this time. Not highly recruited but may turn out to be a diamond in the rough. I didn’t forget him, he will be able to provide depth. Of course seeing the development of Roberts, Champagnie and Earlington, there are reasons to be optimistic.
Don't forget the addition of 6'10 Moore who will be more mature next year.[/quote] Can’t judge him at this time. Not highly recruited but may turn out to be a diamond in the rough. I didn’t forget him, he will be able to provide depth. Of course seeing the development of Roberts, Champagnie and Earlington, there are reasons to be optimistic.