(POST GAME) Georgetown (MSG), Sun. Feb. 2, 1p, CBS / 970 AM WNYM

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SECOND GAME (2/2/20)
FINAL SCORE
GTWN 73
SJU 72

BOXSCORE
[URL]https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId[/URL]=401168399

FIRST GAME (1/8/20)
FINAL SCORE
SJU 66
GTWN 87

BOXSCORE
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SJU Statistics (13-10, 2-8)
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Hoyas (13-8, 3-5)

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Attendance at MSG...7,436 = Embarassing

1st grade stickers as logos on court = Embarassing

17 pt lead loss = Embarassing

Skipping a Super Bowl party to avoid hearing about the embarassing loss .
 
Getting flustered early in the second half by some variety of press game after game and letting other team back in= embarrassing and infuriating.
 
Man some of the threads on this board have really gotten messed up. Is the guy managing them the same guy who was operating the clock at MSG today? ;) :)
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=375435]Attendance at MSG...7,436 = Embarassing

1st grade stickers as logos on court = Embarassing

17 pt lead loss = Embarassing

Skipping a Super Bowl party to avoid hearing about the embarassing loss .[/quote]

When I saw the Garden guys putting our sticker down at mid court just before tip off, and while the National Anthem was playing, I said to my wife that I hoped this wasn’t a portend of things to come. Unfortunately, I was right. :-(

And I’m sure part of the low attendance is that we just suck. But then again, why wasn’t this game scheduled at 12 noon on Super Bowl Sunday?

Any thoughts of making the tournament just got squashed today. I don’t see us beating any team in the BE tournament, except for DePaul.

I’m heading home, and will watch the Super Bowl while consuming mass quantities of alcohol.

Only one more regular season game at the Garden, against Marquette. That ought to be fun.
 
This team needs to move on from all but four players. Look what Musselman is doing at Arkansas this year with 8 new players he recruited.
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=375435]Attendance at MSG...7,436 = Embarassing

1st grade stickers as logos on court = Embarassing

17 pt lead loss = Embarassing

Skipping a Super Bowl party to avoid hearing about the embarassing loss .[/quote]

They cant shoot the ball. They just arent good. They cant play press for 40 minutes
My question is this- will st John's EVER be good again?
 
[quote="dee" post=375445][quote="RedStormNC" post=375435]Attendance at MSG...7,436 = Embarassing

1st grade stickers as logos on court = Embarassing

17 pt lead loss = Embarassing

Skipping a Super Bowl party to avoid hearing about the embarassing loss .[/quote]

They cant shoot the ball. They just arent good. They cant play press for 40 minutes
My question is this- will st John's EVER be good again?[/quote]

That is the $64,000.00 question. Or are we destined to be good occasionally and make the Tournament every five or six years.
 
Agree some more roster turnover is needed. The keepers are all complimentary pieces also. Not fair to put pressure on guys who haven't played at this level yet but we've gotta hope Cole/Posh can be alphas if we want to be competitive next year.

Also replying to Logen from the now locked thread...I'm still optimistic about Anderson long term but very much agree with you. I think he's been great at conditioning our guys and getting them to play harder than most coaches but his in-game coaching (especially since conference play) leaves much to be desired.
 
This game so bad CMA Time just asked the moderators to change his handle to Vodka Time
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=375444]This team needs to move on from all but four players. Look what Musselman is doing at Arkansas this year with 8 new players he recruited.[/quote]

I’m assuming Posh, Wusu, Cole & Moore won’t be the only new faces. Steere is as good as gone. My guess is Caraher will leave since he’s clearly overmatched. Sears is 50/50. Still think he could give SJU valuable defensive minutes, but if he doesn’t get in against Yurtseven, then why is he here?
 
We lost for two reasons: we do not have a point guard and we had no answer for Yurtseven (he just rebounded over us all game).
 
[quote="QueensBall" post=375449]Agree some more roster turnover is needed. The keepers are all complimentary pieces also. Not fair to put pressure on guys who haven't played at this level yet but we've gotta hope Cole/Posh can be alphas if we want to be competitive next year.

Also replying to Logen from the now locked thread...I'm still optimistic about Anderson long term but very much agree with you. I think he's been great at conditioning our guys and getting them to play harder than most coaches but his in-game coaching (especially since conference play) leaves much to be desired.[/quote]

No question this is a bad loss for CMA. But I don’t think I can criticize his in-game coaching when he’s never had a losing season.

I’m as annoyed as any of you. Horrible loss. Offense was stagnant in the 2nd half and why they didn’t bring Roberts or Sears in the game for Yurtseven is beyond me. However, CMA just doesn’t have the horses. They don’t have a real point guard. Heron is their best shooter and that’s not saying much. They don’t have a good big man down low. Am I optimistic Roberts & Earlington can become good players? Sure, but neither are big men that teams have to scheme against.
 
[quote="ron " post=375453]We lost for two reasons: we do not have a point guard and we had no answer for Yurtseven (he just rebounded over us all game).[/quote]

Agreed Ron, when you get leads like we’ve had you need a point guard who can control the game , break the press , penetrate and find the open man and knock down the open jumper with some consistency. We currently do not have that.

As far as Yurtseven is concerned, he rebounded over us all game but I also thought they could have called a few over the backs on him but whistles never go our way in conference anymore. It’s almost like the league has it in for us for some reason.
 
[quote="QueensBall" post=375449]
Also replying to Logen from the now locked thread...I'm still optimistic about Anderson long term but very much agree with you. I think he's been great at conditioning our guys and getting them to play harder than most coaches but his in-game coaching (especially since conference play) leaves much to be desired.[/quote]

I believe that Anderson was the best reasonable candidate we could have gotten. I wanted Cluess, but he hasn't been on the sidelines all season, and that was the first step towards torpedoing the Lavin era.

However, every complaint that the Arkansas people had about him is starting to show.

1. Too married to his system. I love the system, but it does have warts, especially with no big man. One of the reasons that Seton Hall and Georgetown came back on us with the press, is because they had a big guy in the back of it (on those occasions where we did get it past midcourt). We don't have that, so when it gets beat, like Georgetown did on the last possession, it's too easy for the other team to score.

2. Too passive with the officials. Yes, Mullin was too aggressive, but I believe the opposite can be true, too. I think we've lost a lot of 50/50 calls because of this (block/charges, out of bounds, foul/no foul etc.). Ironically, I don't think that was a factor today, but has been in some of the other games, IMO (Seton Hall most notably, and maybe Villanova too, WRT only shooting 4 free throws).

3. Doesn't get down and dirty WRT recruiting. Too early to tell on that. He's been a presence, but many feel he won't sell out legally (a la Kevin Willard) for someone, which ends up with us always finishing 2nd or 3rd for every great player. Time will tell on that one, obviously.

4. Halfcourt offense leaves a lot to be desired. I don't think I have to explain that one.

I believe that his ceiling here is about what Ed Cooley has done at Providence. That sounds great now, but 5 years down the road, what will that sound like?

That being said, he was probably still the best candidate, outside of pie-in-the-sky fantasies. The only way we could probably get a higher ceiling guy, is to take another Norm Roberts-like chance on a hotshot assistant, only have it work out this time. If it did though, the guy is probably gone for greener pastures in 4 or 5 years anyway, and it's back to square one.

So, it is what it is. We should be grateful to Anderson, for taking a chance on us, IMO.
 
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Did not handle the press well that is obvious. Maybe the kids did not execute against the press but were coached correctly. I don't know but the same thing happened against Seton Hall. Needs to get fixed.

Bigger issue was why did we press and trap on the last Georgetown possession? With the lead and being in the bon us on fouls that made absolutely no sense!!!!!! That was a bad in game decision.
 
[quote="RJGBOOTSY" post=375459]Did not handle the press well that is obvious. Maybe the kids did not execute against the press but were coached correctly. I don't know but the same thing happened against Seton Hall. Needs to get fixed.

Bigger issue was why did we press and trap on the last Georgetown possession? With the lead and being in the bon us on fouls that made absolutely no sense!!!!!! That was a bad in game decision.[/quote]

Yeah, that surprised me a bit. I don't mind having one guy back there, just so they can't roll the ball up, and save the clock, but it was too easy for Yurtseven, once the press got beat, IMO. But, that goes back to the "married to the system" criticism that Anderson has gotten in the past.

The only positive was that it happened so quickly, that we still had 10 seconds left, to win it. If they play straight up, maybe Georgetown hits even later in the clock.
 
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Really bad lose today, but not sure what many of you expected from this team this year. Maybe because I went along with the pre-season predictions, and expected very little, I’ve actually enjoyed this season more than I anticipated. We are who we are; a little better then I expected but about as good (or bad) as our record says we are. I’ll continue to enjoy watching these kids for the rest of the season, and keep looking to the future.
 
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[quote="Monte" post=375461]Really bad lose today, but not sure what many of you expected from this team this year. Maybe because I went along with the pre-season predictions, and expected very little, I’ve actually enjoyed this season more than I anticipated. We are who we are; a little better then I expected but about as good (or bad) as our record says we are. I’ll continue to enjoy watching these kids for the rest of the season, and keep looking to the future.[/quote]

Well said Monte. Very rational and reasonable outlook on this team.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=375460][quote="RJGBOOTSY" post=375459]Did not handle the press well that is obvious. Maybe the kids did not execute against the press but were coached correctly. I don't know but the same thing happened against Seton Hall. Needs to get fixed.

Bigger issue was why did we press and trap on the last Georgetown possession? With the lead and being in the bon us on fouls that made absolutely no sense!!!!!! That was a bad in game decision.[/quote]

Yeah, that surprised me a bit. I don't mind having one guy back there, just so they can't roll the ball up, and save the clock, but it was too easy for Yurtseven, once the press got beat, IMO. But, that goes back to the "married to the system" criticism that Anderson has gotten in the past.

The only positive was that it happened so quickly, that we still had 10 seconds left, to win it. If they play straight up, maybe Georgetown hits even later in the clock.[/quote]

You can not trap there!!! Way to risky from a fouling and them beating the trap (which they did ) perspective. The shot they got was way to easy and to close to the basket.
 
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