(POST GAME) #18 Seton Hall (MSG), Sat. Jan. 18, NOON, FOX / 570 WMCA

I get your frustration Logen, but on other hand odd time to step away from rooting. It's a first year coach with a medley of role players that are good kids busting their butts. Outside of Heron and LJ, hard to have any high expectations. Even with those two at their best, it's not like we were still expected at top of the league.We are where we are because of the cards we have to play with.

After 4 years of the Mullin experiment, I'm all for giving Anderson some time. Outside of a few really fun wins w/ Mullin, it was as uninspiring and painful to watch most games as you could get.
 
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[quote="RedStormNC" post=373332]I get your frustration Logen, but on other hand odd time to step away from rooting. It's a first year coach with a medley of role players that are good kids busting their butts. Outside of Heron and LJ, hard to have any high expectations. Even with those two at their best, it's not like we were still expected at top of the league.We are where we are because of the cards we have to play with.

After 4 years of the Mullin experiment, I'm all for giving Anderson some time. Outside of a few really fun wins w/ Mullin, it was as uninspiring and painful to watch most games as you could get.[/quote
Yes that is true but Pitino should have gotten this job
 
Should have told the 6'4 Earlington to go over the top of the 7'2 Gill. :dry:[/quote]

That's what you took away from my post?

Getting rebounds off of free throws takes diligence, look at what Laimbeer, Salley and Rodman did back in the day, they made an art form of it. Running "stunts" if you will. It's the little things that separate the winners from the losers.
 
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[quote="Sju grad 13" post=373205]Simply put..... Seton Hall has way more talent than we do.[/quote]

The talent issues will surely continue. No top recruits are coming here.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=373343][quote="RedStormNC" post=373330]Bad optics by our director of player personnel chasing down Myles Powell for the game ball after game that he scored 2,000th point with

https://mobile.twitter.com/NCAAhoopsdigest/status/1218616443501187072[/quote] Carino reporting that Seton Hall had asked us to acknowledge the milestone over the PA, and was upset when we didn't do it, so they're not totally innocent here, either.[/quote]

It doesn’t seem natural for a team to announce a milestone made on its home court by an opposing player. Maybe that’s just me. And I’m only speaking of college sports. I know it’s sometimes done on the pro level. I’d love to hear what others think about this.
 
[quote="Tonyinfairfield " post=373344][quote="SJU61982" post=373343][quote="RedStormNC" post=373330]Bad optics by our director of player personnel chasing down Myles Powell for the game ball after game that he scored 2,000th point with

https://mobile.twitter.com/NCAAhoopsdigest/status/1218616443501187072[/quote] Carino reporting that Seton Hall had asked us to acknowledge the milestone over the PA, and was upset when we didn't do it, so they're not totally innocent here, either.[/quote]

It doesn’t seem natural for a team to announce a milestone made on its home court by an opposing player. Maybe that’s just me. And I’m only speaking of college sports. I know it’s sometimes done on the pro level. I’d love to hear what others think about this.[/quote]

I wouldn't do it if it was his 5,000th career point, and I wouldn't expect any other team to do it for us. D'Angelo Harrison's 2,000th point came at Butler, and I don't recall Lavin being upset at lack of an announcement.

The milestone for Powell came on the first hoop of the second half, giving him 8 points for the game, so they knew it was coming at some point. I wouldn't put it past Willard to have made this request knowing we would turn it down, then use it as a motivational tactic for his team (if so, it worked). He, and Ed Cooley, both strike me as very Belichick-like, when it comes to things like that.

As far as the video, yes it's petty on our part, but I kind of like it. It's a sign, to me, that Anderson and company, are not going to just be the nice guys that the rest of this league can just walk all over, unlike our last three coaches.
 
When is Fiqueroa going to learn to pull up and take a short jumper, instead of getting called for a charge? Between his defensive woes and poor offensive decisions I have to wonder about his basketball IQ.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=373212][quote="Sju grad 13" post=373205]Simply put..... Seton Hall has way more talent than we do.[/quote] They do, that’s why you really can’t get that upset w the loss but 1-5 in conference is tough to swallow even w our warts.[/quote]

Virtually the entire league has more talent...and with no game breakers...it'll be more of the same next season.
 
[quote="newsman13" post=373352]
Virtually the entire league has more talent...and with no game breakers...it'll be more of the same next season.[/quote]
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Next year’s team will feature more big time college experience which this roster severely lacks (see: Dunn, Roberts, Williams, Sears, Champagnie, Caraher, Rutherford, and Earlington.)

Posters forget that there are 8 members of this seasons StJohn’s roster who have virtually no meaningful college basketball experience, or in the case of Rutherford, Dunn, and Casher little or no
experience consistently playing against Big East talent.

Talent + experience + good coaching = winning programs.

This season we have one of the variables. Next year we should have 2 of the 3.

Keep hope alive.
 
[quote="otis" post=373358][quote="newsman13" post=373352]
Virtually the entire league has more talent...and with no game breakers...it'll be more of the same next season.[/quote]
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Next year’s team will feature more big time college experience which this roster severely lacks (see: Dunn, Roberts, Williams, Sears, Champagnie, Caraher, Rutherford, and Earlington.)

Posters forget that there are 8 members of this seasons StJohn’s roster who have virtually no meaningful college basketball experience, or in the case of Rutherford, Dunn, and Casher little or no
experience consistently playing against Big East talent.

Talent + experience + good coaching = winning programs.

This season we have one of the variables. Next year we should have 2 of the 3.

Keep hope alive.[/quote]

No we are not going to be competing with the Duke’s and UK’s of the world next year but we will be better and moving forward. We will be adding two legitimate Pg’s in Posh andMcGriff, something we don’t have this year. With Wusu and Cole I think we will be getting a kid or two who can do a lot of things inflicting score. Moore adds a long athletic stretch forward and our existing team will be a year more experienced and better. We have good forwards. I think Champagnie, Roberts and Earlington are quite good and will be very competitive as they are this year. I didn’t see a ton of teams with forwards blowing those guys out.

We will likely still add another player at some point and we don’t know what else will shake out. This team won’t be rebuilt in a day but I think that by year 3 under Mike Anderson we will probably be hitting our stride and have this thing rebuilt with more talent at quite a few spots.

I’m not sure why people are surprised about this though. We knew that Mullin never recruited and he didn’t leave our roster loaded with talent. We are actually quite decent this year and if we had some offense we would have maybe 2-3 losses now instead of what we have. We are closer than many here think, considering our talent level, CMA is doing a great job.

I do think people are selling next years recruiting class short though. A 4-star in posh, a 3-star in wusu whos probably a bit underrated, and 2 juco AA’s to start. Talent certainly getting better.
 
[quote="Ken Shark" post=373312][quote="Knight" post=373210]Caraher too slow in these games.[/quote]

Really? All that happened in this game and that's your big takeaway, taking a shot at a guy who had little to nothing to do with the final score? C'mon!

We lost this game because we have a div 1 player who can't make the simplest of shots. It's called a "free" throw for a reason. All over the east coast today 4th graders played in cold gyms and 95% of those kids have a better shot at making a free throw than Josh Roberts. How sad is that? Meanwhile, Hall's awful foul shooter goes to the line late and drills two. Nearly as bad, we all know he's going to miss, and the players in the lane aren't actively seeking an offensive rebound. You'd think the coach or one of his 23 assistants would alert someone to that.
Team just needs to learn how to win, they are competitive, what they lack in talent they make up for in other areas. Just need to figure out how to finish a game off.[/quote]

My observation on Caraher was just that. Not an attack on the quality of other aspects of his game. But if you don't see that he has big difficulties when the game speeds up then we're watching different games. I don't want him in the backcourt trying to break the press, our quicker guards don't seem to know how to break the press and I don't see him helping there.
 
I am surprised about how many posters are confident that McGriff can make an impact at the BE level as a freshman. That would be amazing, but do we actually have any reason to believe this is the case?
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=373364]I am surprised about how many posters are confident that McGriff can make an impact at the BE level as a freshman. That would be amazing, but do we actually have any reason to believe this is the case?[/quote]

I don’t know about McGriff but I think Posh will. He will. He’s an upper level Pg prospect and I think will chants the dynamics of this team a lot alongside Dunn as both are threats to penetrate, but Posh can really distribute as well.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=373365][quote="JohnnyFan" post=373364]I am surprised about how many posters are confident that McGriff can make an impact at the BE level as a freshman. That would be amazing, but do we actually have any reason to believe this is the case?[/quote]

I don’t know about McGriff but I think Posh will. He will. He’s an upper level Pg prospect and I think will chants the dynamics of this team a lot alongside Dunn as both are threats to penetrate, but Posh can really distribute as well.[/quote]

High school to the BE is a huge jump and no one really knows what the transition will hold for any player. That said, I agree that Posh is more likely to transition well.
 
[quote="Ken Shark" post=373334]Should have told the 6'4 Earlington to go over the top of the 7'2 Gill. :dry:[/quote]

That's what you took away from my post?

Getting rebounds off of free throws takes diligence, look at what Laimbeer, Salley and Rodman did back in the day, they made an art form of it. Running "stunts" if you will. It's the little things that separate the winners from the losers.[/quote]
Agree there are lots of little things that can help but Duke seems to be our best offensive rebounder and with inside position on a free throw my money is on the 7 footer. Unfortunately we don't have anything close to a Laimbeer, Salley or Rodman on our team which is why I'm still hoping for a legit big for next season (Gray and or MacMillan).
 
1- I watched the game on TV. When Steere was in there at one point CMA was yelling at him to run. CMA seems to have a problem with his ability to get up and down the court. He also seemed to have a few defensive lapses in the paint that led to easy baskets.
2- I know losing like this (close and cant close) consistently is having an effect on me, a fan, my concern is what is this doing to the teams attitude? They really looked dejected after this game. How much fight is left in this dog? They need a win one of these games badly.
3- I agree with the poster who said the "hero ball" at the end of the game is frustrating. A small point guard like Dunn consistently going one on one ca be tough to watch, but watching the games this year I do not see where Heron having the ball for a key shot down the stretch is a guaranteed better option. He missed a lot of open jumpers down the stretch.
 
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