Possible BE Tourney With Former Members Included

[quote="Mean Gene" post=299566]UCONN couldn't get one of the major conferences to pick them up because they are in Storrs, Connecticut. Even being a state school , they are in a small TV market and would add no value to any conferences TV package. That's the bottom line.[/quote]

That's not why. They have a football program that is not good enough to generate the type of interest from a conference like the ACC. Football drives the bus.

That's why they are not dropping the sport.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=299566]UCONN couldn't get one of the major conferences to pick them up because they are in Storrs, Connecticut. Even being a state school , they are in a small TV market and would add no value to any conferences TV package. That's the bottom line.[/quote]


I agree. If they had the value to impact a TV deal they would be in a better league. The 6 thousand old farts following around that women's team don't impresss the advertisers and the men's fan base is too drunk to remember the commercials.
 
Guys, I'm as ardent as Big East supporters come, but Villanova has done 95% of the work in keeping the conference name respectable with their 2 rings. Xavier and Butler have given the other 5% but more so Xavier. This is why national polls only give Villanova respect. The only significant issue we have left as a conference is how horribly we usually perform in the tournament sans Nova. It's awesome to get 5-6 in a tourney each year, but if only 1 gets to the Sweet 16 or further consistently, it's not a good look. Didn't the ACC get like 5 teams in the Sweet 16 a few years ago? UConn will steal our recruits either way as long as we are poorly coached and don't win. Even in good years I'm sure they'd get their fill of our local recruits. The NYC area recruits clearly do not want to be anywhere near here anymore for the most part. My point is what do we have to lose? I agree we don't need UConn if we can finally get another team from the group of Marquette/PC/SJ/G'Town to win consistently again and make deep runs every few years. For some reason, F5 schools just seem to be able to get deeper more consistently in tournaments than our conference except for Nova and Xavier.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=299575]Guys, I'm as ardent as Big East supporters come, but Villanova has done 95% of the work in keeping the conference name respectable with their 2 rings. Xavier and Butler have given the other 5% but more so Xavier. This is why national polls only give Villanova respect. The only significant issue we have left as a conference is how horribly we usually perform in the tournament sans Nova. It's awesome to get 5-6 in a tourney each year, but if only 1 gets to the Sweet 16 or further consistently, it's not a good look. Didn't the ACC get like 5 teams in the Sweet 16 a few years ago? UConn will steal our recruits either way as long as we are poorly coached and don't win. Even in good years I'm sure they'd get their fill of our local recruits. The NYC area recruits clearly do not want to be anywhere near here anymore for the most part. My point is what do we have to lose? I agree we don't need UConn if we can finally get another team from the group of Marquette/PC/SJ/G'Town to win consistently again and make deep runs every few years. For some reason, F5 schools just seem to be able to get deeper more consistently in tournaments than our conference except for Nova and Xavier.[/quote]

It doesn't help us that UConn gets exclusive coverage of their games on SNY either.
 
[quote="Room112" post=299632][quote="Mike Zaun" post=299575]Guys, I'm as ardent as Big East supporters come, but Villanova has done 95% of the work in keeping the conference name respectable with their 2 rings. Xavier and Butler have given the other 5% but more so Xavier. This is why national polls only give Villanova respect. The only significant issue we have left as a conference is how horribly we usually perform in the tournament sans Nova. It's awesome to get 5-6 in a tourney each year, but if only 1 gets to the Sweet 16 or further consistently, it's not a good look. Didn't the ACC get like 5 teams in the Sweet 16 a few years ago? UConn will steal our recruits either way as long as we are poorly coached and don't win. Even in good years I'm sure they'd get their fill of our local recruits. The NYC area recruits clearly do not want to be anywhere near here anymore for the most part. My point is what do we have to lose? I agree we don't need UConn if we can finally get another team from the group of Marquette/PC/SJ/G'Town to win consistently again and make deep runs every few years. For some reason, F5 schools just seem to be able to get deeper more consistently in tournaments than our conference except for Nova and Xavier.[/quote]

It doesn't help us that UConn gets exclusive coverage of their games on SNY either.[/quote]

Never understood that. A rural Connecticut team on SNY? Really? Imagine us being on the NESN or whatever their local sports network is. Why wouldn't they have us instead? Makes zero sense.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=299635][quote="Room112" post=299632][quote="Mike Zaun" post=299575]Guys, I'm as ardent as Big East supporters come, but Villanova has done 95% of the work in keeping the conference name respectable with their 2 rings. Xavier and Butler have given the other 5% but more so Xavier. This is why national polls only give Villanova respect. The only significant issue we have left as a conference is how horribly we usually perform in the tournament sans Nova. It's awesome to get 5-6 in a tourney each year, but if only 1 gets to the Sweet 16 or further consistently, it's not a good look. Didn't the ACC get like 5 teams in the Sweet 16 a few years ago? UConn will steal our recruits either way as long as we are poorly coached and don't win. Even in good years I'm sure they'd get their fill of our local recruits. The NYC area recruits clearly do not want to be anywhere near here anymore for the most part. My point is what do we have to lose? I agree we don't need UConn if we can finally get another team from the group of Marquette/PC/SJ/G'Town to win consistently again and make deep runs every few years. For some reason, F5 schools just seem to be able to get deeper more consistently in tournaments than our conference except for Nova and Xavier.[/quote]

It doesn't help us that UConn gets exclusive coverage of their games on SNY either.[/quote]

Never understood that. A rural Connecticut team on SNY? Really? Imagine us being on the NESN or whatever their local sports network is. Why wouldn't they have us instead? Makes zero sense.[/quote]

No but it must make cents
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=299566]UCONN couldn't get one of the major conferences to pick them up because they are in Storrs, Connecticut. Even being a state school , they are in a small TV market and would add no value to any conferences TV package. That's the bottom line.[/quote]

Hartford > Blacksburg

Hokies > Huskies in FB (of course the VA gov helped but . . .)
 
[quote="fordham96" post=299568][quote="Mean Gene" post=299566]UCONN couldn't get one of the major conferences to pick them up because they are in Storrs, Connecticut. Even being a state school , they are in a small TV market and would add no value to any conferences TV package. That's the bottom line.[/quote]

That's not why. They have a football program that is not good enough to generate the type of interest from a conference like the ACC. Football drives the bus.

That's why they are not dropping the sport.[/quote]

Which is kinda the point. They are losing millions every year on the football program which is nowhere near drawing interest nor getting picked up by a power conference. I guess they’ll have to be happy with the AAC although it doesn’t seem they are because they’re always angling. I don’t get how they think they’ll get taken by a bigger conference and continue to lost games, money and fans...
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=299551]Whether Yukon left the Big East or not is semantics. They were one of the first schools trying to leave and had every overblown perception of themselves to do so. The football money came to a head and the rats jumped ship. They saw the basketball schools as losers who would die off because they had no football stake - money, power over the NCAA and media and would just let their partners who they owed their success too, just naturally die off. Yukon was the biggest rat and none of the other ships wanted them. So yes they technically did not leave the Big East but instead were rejected and scorned by not only the Big East but the other conferences they tried to sucker in - ACC and Big 10 (at time). They thought they were the Notre Dame Football of college basketball but in reality weren't. That other conferences don't want them is something to consider. If Duke or even UNC wanted to join the Big East or any other conference pretty much no one would say no. UNC is not exactly spotless but no one would reject them. Why would big conferences pass up the opportunity to add Ucon women's basketball? Something would have to stink pretty foul beyond words to pass that up.

Saying that the Catholic 7 broke off is also semantics. They restored the league to its original intent and were legally entitled to the name/brand which says it all about the semantics.
If you read the Big East language in describing itself it says things like "Since its inception in 1979" "Since it began in 1979" I'm sure this language is vetted and legally sound. In corporate terms I would think of it like forming a new corporation to be rid of previous entanglements which have no future benefit or purpose, and focus upon the future while owning the original brand and refocusing it. For all intents and purposes other than the corporate inception date you are the same company. You have corporations now that are over 100 years old who have done this multiple times even and many companies operate under multiple incorporations, but are still the same company - for all intents and purposes.[/quote]

Paul, as you know I was a big Uconn women's basketball fan at one time. Even today they are the UCLA of women's basketball. However I dont think they will ever be able to replace Genoa Auriemma once he retires. Wooden won all those consecutive national championships at UCLA because of his unique ability to both coach and attract the perfect recruits that fit his coaching style.
The Uconn men's basketball team I have never liked but I think Hurley is the best coach to bring them back to the national rankings. They pose an immediate threat to St. John's from a recruiting standpoint because Hurley is tireless and lives the game 24/7. I don't think Mullin can keep up with him. It would be disastrous if they were allowed back into the Big East because NY area recruits would find it close enough to make going out of state easier. On top of that the selling point would be playing in MSG more often and in the area against Seton Hall and St. John's.
 
I'm not against this type of a Tournament. I see it as a win-win situation.

Regarding UConn, we have a one year head start on them. Assuming we have a strong year and UConn has a down year (both should happen given our rosters), that should cut off some of their momentum and more importantly built on ours. If we underachieve this year and they overachieve, then time to hit the panic button.
 
Don't call it a tournament. Wouldn't be able to play more than 1 game as BE teams don't want to face each other out of conference. Sounds more like an Old BE/New BE challenge.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=299635][quote="Room112" post=299632][quote="Mike Zaun" post=299575]Guys, I'm as ardent as Big East supporters come, but Villanova has done 95% of the work in keeping the conference name respectable with their 2 rings. Xavier and Butler have given the other 5% but more so Xavier. This is why national polls only give Villanova respect. The only significant issue we have left as a conference is how horribly we usually perform in the tournament sans Nova. It's awesome to get 5-6 in a tourney each year, but if only 1 gets to the Sweet 16 or further consistently, it's not a good look. Didn't the ACC get like 5 teams in the Sweet 16 a few years ago? UConn will steal our recruits either way as long as we are poorly coached and don't win. Even in good years I'm sure they'd get their fill of our local recruits. The NYC area recruits clearly do not want to be anywhere near here anymore for the most part. My point is what do we have to lose? I agree we don't need UConn if we can finally get another team from the group of Marquette/PC/SJ/G'Town to win consistently again and make deep runs every few years. For some reason, F5 schools just seem to be able to get deeper more consistently in tournaments than our conference except for Nova and Xavier.[/quote]

It doesn't help us that UConn gets exclusive coverage of their games on SNY either.[/quote]

Never understood that. A rural Connecticut team on SNY? Really? Imagine us being on the NESN or whatever their local sports network is. Why wouldn't they have us instead? Makes zero sense.[/quote]

Living in CT I can help here. SNY was not being picked up by any CT cable provider because the Mets have such a small percentage of fans. In order to get into the CT market UConn was added. So now I get to watch my Mets.
 
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