I'm not in favor of letting UCon back into the big East but the idea of an early season tournament between current Big East teams versus past Big East teams is intriguing and could pack the Garden. We have 10 teams but I only count 9 past Big East teams. Such a tournament would generate lots of local interest.
Possible BE Tourney With Former Members Included
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[quote="Frank61" post=299515]UCONN made their decision a long time ago. They and all the defectors who left the Big East, now have to live with their decisions. When they left the Big East they didn't care what happened to the teams that were left behind. I personally don't care how any of them do and I don't care to even play with them for a minute. they have made their choice we have made ours. The defectors can go to HELL.[/quote]
The Big East must keep winning. Key programs like St. John's, Georgetown, DePaul, and Seton Hall must revive.
If the BEC becomes even deeper and stronger, we won't need UCONN to maintain and strengthen our ties with MSG, and we'd be more influential into the Midwest and beyond.
It's all about winning...for the Conference and for St. John's.
The Big East must keep winning. Key programs like St. John's, Georgetown, DePaul, and Seton Hall must revive.
If the BEC becomes even deeper and stronger, we won't need UCONN to maintain and strengthen our ties with MSG, and we'd be more influential into the Midwest and beyond.
It's all about winning...for the Conference and for St. John's.
[quote="Chicago Days" post=299527][quote="Frank61" post=299515]UCONN made their decision a long time ago. They and all the defectors who left the Big East, now have to live with their decisions. When they left the Big East they didn't care what happened to the teams that were left behind. I personally don't care how any of them do and I don't care to even play with them for a minute. they have made their choice we have made ours. The defectors can go to HELL.[/quote]
The Big East must keep winning. Key programs like St. John's, Georgetown, DePaul, and Seton Hall must revive.
If the BEC becomes even deeper and stronger, we won't need UCONN to maintain and strengthen our ties with MSG, and we'd be more influential into the Midwest and beyond.
It's all about winning...for the Conference and for St. John's.[/quote]
Seton Hall is not revived? Danced last three years.
The Big East must keep winning. Key programs like St. John's, Georgetown, DePaul, and Seton Hall must revive.
If the BEC becomes even deeper and stronger, we won't need UCONN to maintain and strengthen our ties with MSG, and we'd be more influential into the Midwest and beyond.
It's all about winning...for the Conference and for St. John's.[/quote]
Seton Hall is not revived? Danced last three years.
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redfan259999888
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lol now two yukon threads, just wow.
Should rename this site Redmen/UConn.
I despise those SOB's. The Wiggins drama, the plane incident, ect.
I'll just skip these 2 threads, have fun talking about BITCHCONN.
Oh and Chicago, we'll never need uconn, thinking they'll be our savior? smh on that one.
Those idiots are begging us to take them, they are in a freaking garbage.
THEY TRIED LEAVING US TWICEEEEE FOR THE ACC, BUT NO ONE FREAKING REMEMBERS THAT RIGHT.
Yeah, maybe I get carried away when talking about them, but I truly hate them.
Should rename this site Redmen/UConn.
I despise those SOB's. The Wiggins drama, the plane incident, ect.
I'll just skip these 2 threads, have fun talking about BITCHCONN.
Oh and Chicago, we'll never need uconn, thinking they'll be our savior? smh on that one.
Those idiots are begging us to take them, they are in a freaking garbage.
THEY TRIED LEAVING US TWICEEEEE FOR THE ACC, BUT NO ONE FREAKING REMEMBERS THAT RIGHT.
Yeah, maybe I get carried away when talking about them, but I truly hate them.
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[quote="Frank61" post=299515]UCONN made their decision a long time ago. They and all the defectors who left the Big East, now have to live with their decisions. When they left the Big East they didn't care what happened to the teams that were left behind. I personally don't care how any of them do and I don't care to even play with them for a minute. they have made their choice we have made ours. The defectors can go to HELL.[/quote]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Catholic 7 break away from the rest of the league that remained, and eventually kept the Big East name? UConn got left out in the cold without a big name conference affiliation. Yes, they had been rumored to have been looking around prior to the split. But it's not like they abandoned the league prior to the split.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Catholic 7 break away from the rest of the league that remained, and eventually kept the Big East name? UConn got left out in the cold without a big name conference affiliation. Yes, they had been rumored to have been looking around prior to the split. But it's not like they abandoned the league prior to the split.
of all the skeevy, slimy, underhanded, two-faced, BBD, criminal, no-class behavior and reasons to be disgusted with Yukon, the one that I will never forget and will always leave me in complete objection to ever having Yukon rejoin the Big East were the drunken, vomiting in the public halls, screaming in my young children's face, fans at MSG. Yukon-No-Way
[quote="Room112" post=299534][quote="Frank61" post=299515]UCONN made their decision a long time ago. They and all the defectors who left the Big East, now have to live with their decisions. When they left the Big East they didn't care what happened to the teams that were left behind. I personally don't care how any of them do and I don't care to even play with them for a minute. they have made their choice we have made ours. The defectors can go to HELL.[/quote]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Catholic 7 break away from the rest of the league that remained, and eventually kept the Big East name? UConn got left out in the cold without a big name conference affiliation. Yes, they had been rumored to have been looking around prior to the split. But it's not like they abandoned the league prior to the split.[/quote] I believe you are correct. It was well known they were praying for someone else to take them and I wish them nothing but ill will going forward. Mainly for me because of Wiggins and because 90% of their fans are asses even though I know a few good ones
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Catholic 7 break away from the rest of the league that remained, and eventually kept the Big East name? UConn got left out in the cold without a big name conference affiliation. Yes, they had been rumored to have been looking around prior to the split. But it's not like they abandoned the league prior to the split.[/quote] I believe you are correct. It was well known they were praying for someone else to take them and I wish them nothing but ill will going forward. Mainly for me because of Wiggins and because 90% of their fans are asses even though I know a few good ones
1. Can we (those that do I mean) please stop saying UConn left the Big East. They didn't. Miami, Va Tech and BC left the Big East first to be followed several years later by Cuse (who tried to leave with Miami but was rejected in a vote by the ACC who took Va Tech instead) Pitt, West Virginia, Rutgers, Louisville and Notre Dame. The Big East (St. John's, Gtown, the Hall, Providence, Nova, DePaul and Marquette) left UConn, Cincy, and USF (and the other recently joined schools like Temple, Memphis, UCF, Houston and SMU and a few others who came in when after the last wave of defectors left) and took the Big East name with them. I have no doubt that if they had been offered a spot they liked when the others left, those three would have followed suit but that didn't happen. I might add, the old Big East also left Temple football whom they throw out only to invite them in for all sports once the second wave of defectors left (football had also improved by then).
2. This topic has been raised on this Board several times. My opinion was no then and still is. We don't need them or this so-called tournament. If one present BE team wants to play a former BE team in a home and home series, fine. But the optics of doing a tournament of old BE foes playing each other reeks of desperation like we need this to validate the league. We don't as the Conference has shown. Maybe with more time and continued success with the present BE, I might feel differently. but not now. Let UConn find another way..
2. This topic has been raised on this Board several times. My opinion was no then and still is. We don't need them or this so-called tournament. If one present BE team wants to play a former BE team in a home and home series, fine. But the optics of doing a tournament of old BE foes playing each other reeks of desperation like we need this to validate the league. We don't as the Conference has shown. Maybe with more time and continued success with the present BE, I might feel differently. but not now. Let UConn find another way..
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[quote="Paultzman" post=299529][quote="Chicago Days" post=299527][quote="Frank61" post=299515]UCONN made their decision a long time ago. They and all the defectors who left the Big East, now have to live with their decisions. When they left the Big East they didn't care what happened to the teams that were left behind. I personally don't care how any of them do and I don't care to even play with them for a minute. they have made their choice we have made ours. The defectors can go to HELL.[/quote]
The Big East must keep winning. Key programs like St. John's, Georgetown, DePaul, and Seton Hall must revive.
If the BEC becomes even deeper and stronger, we won't need UCONN to maintain and strengthen our ties with MSG, and we'd be more influential into the Midwest and beyond.
It's all about winning...for the Conference and for St. John's.[/quote]
Seton Hall is not revived? Danced last three years.[/quote]
Right, but I meant to convey that they'll be 'off' this year, and have to replenish the roster.
The Big East must keep winning. Key programs like St. John's, Georgetown, DePaul, and Seton Hall must revive.
If the BEC becomes even deeper and stronger, we won't need UCONN to maintain and strengthen our ties with MSG, and we'd be more influential into the Midwest and beyond.
It's all about winning...for the Conference and for St. John's.[/quote]
Seton Hall is not revived? Danced last three years.[/quote]
Right, but I meant to convey that they'll be 'off' this year, and have to replenish the roster.
[quote="Room112" post=299534][quote="Frank61" post=299515]UCONN made their decision a long time ago. They and all the defectors who left the Big East, now have to live with their decisions. When they left the Big East they didn't care what happened to the teams that were left behind. I personally don't care how any of them do and I don't care to even play with them for a minute. they have made their choice we have made ours. The defectors can go to HELL.[/quote]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Catholic 7 break away from the rest of the league that remained, and eventually kept the Big East name? UConn got left out in the cold without a big name conference affiliation. Yes, they had been rumored to have been looking around prior to the split. But it's not like they abandoned the league prior to the split.[/quote]
Yes the Catholic 7 broke away from what was left. That is what I said, the defectors made their decisions, and We made ours. Our decision was to leave a collection of MISFITS that were left behind and had loyalty to FOOTBALL. That is how we left and reformulated the BIG EAST. UCONN got left out in the cold because they embraced FOOTBALL. If they would have dumped football, I think they could have joined the Catholic 7, when we left. We made our decision, and they made theirs. We didn't keep the Big East name, we paid a ton of money for the name out of the money that was on the table from the exit fees from the teams that went to the ACC.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Catholic 7 break away from the rest of the league that remained, and eventually kept the Big East name? UConn got left out in the cold without a big name conference affiliation. Yes, they had been rumored to have been looking around prior to the split. But it's not like they abandoned the league prior to the split.[/quote]
Yes the Catholic 7 broke away from what was left. That is what I said, the defectors made their decisions, and We made ours. Our decision was to leave a collection of MISFITS that were left behind and had loyalty to FOOTBALL. That is how we left and reformulated the BIG EAST. UCONN got left out in the cold because they embraced FOOTBALL. If they would have dumped football, I think they could have joined the Catholic 7, when we left. We made our decision, and they made theirs. We didn't keep the Big East name, we paid a ton of money for the name out of the money that was on the table from the exit fees from the teams that went to the ACC.
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[quote="Frank61" post=299546][quote="Room112" post=299534][quote="Frank61" post=299515]UCONN made their decision a long time ago. They and all the defectors who left the Big East, now have to live with their decisions. When they left the Big East they didn't care what happened to the teams that were left behind. I personally don't care how any of them do and I don't care to even play with them for a minute. they have made their choice we have made ours. The defectors can go to HELL.[/quote]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Catholic 7 break away from the rest of the league that remained, and eventually kept the Big East name? UConn got left out in the cold without a big name conference affiliation. Yes, they had been rumored to have been looking around prior to the split. But it's not like they abandoned the league prior to the split.[/quote]
Yes the CATHOLIC 7 broke away from what was left. That is what I said, the defectors made their decisions, and WE made ours. Our decision was to leave a collection of MISFITS that were left behind and had loyalty to FOOTBALL ROOTS. That is how we left and reformulated the BIG EAST. UCONN got left out in the cold because they embrace FOOTBALL. If they would have dumped football, I think they would have joined the Catholic 7, when we left. We made our decision, and they made theirs. We didn't keep the Big East name we paid a ton of money for the name out of the money that was on the table from the exit fees from the teams that went to the ACC.[/quote]
They weren’t going to drop football after the money spent bringing it up and the moderate success they had at first. In fact Nova was asked to upgrade and join BE football. Not only did they consider it, they drafted plans and how they would accomplish upgrading the facilities including where home games would be played. It was to be presented at a meeting with the other football schools but was tabled as Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers had some concerns. Those concerns turned out to be they were planning and negotiating their exit. So you potentially had another defector.
Whether they paid for the name or not, they still took it with them and left the others.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Catholic 7 break away from the rest of the league that remained, and eventually kept the Big East name? UConn got left out in the cold without a big name conference affiliation. Yes, they had been rumored to have been looking around prior to the split. But it's not like they abandoned the league prior to the split.[/quote]
Yes the CATHOLIC 7 broke away from what was left. That is what I said, the defectors made their decisions, and WE made ours. Our decision was to leave a collection of MISFITS that were left behind and had loyalty to FOOTBALL ROOTS. That is how we left and reformulated the BIG EAST. UCONN got left out in the cold because they embrace FOOTBALL. If they would have dumped football, I think they would have joined the Catholic 7, when we left. We made our decision, and they made theirs. We didn't keep the Big East name we paid a ton of money for the name out of the money that was on the table from the exit fees from the teams that went to the ACC.[/quote]
They weren’t going to drop football after the money spent bringing it up and the moderate success they had at first. In fact Nova was asked to upgrade and join BE football. Not only did they consider it, they drafted plans and how they would accomplish upgrading the facilities including where home games would be played. It was to be presented at a meeting with the other football schools but was tabled as Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers had some concerns. Those concerns turned out to be they were planning and negotiating their exit. So you potentially had another defector.
Whether they paid for the name or not, they still took it with them and left the others.
Johnny4Life
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=299494]Trust me, not long ago I was of the same mindset of "just screw em". That was when they had Ollie. So what changed my mind? Well, they got a sure thing coach in Hurley and you just know they will be relevant again shortly if not in the top 25 soon enough. They're going to be successful with or without us and why not be a part of it? We beat them the last 2 games, we can beat them again. We are on the verge of losing MSG and though we are a very strong conference overall, the fact is only Villanova and occasionally Xavier have been truly on the national radar. If we could snag UConn somehow, it would really boost our next TV deal and ESPN might even get us back which would be huge.[/quote]
This would be like the girlfriend you used to date left you for another guy and then several years later she wants to come back. No thanks!
This would be like the girlfriend you used to date left you for another guy and then several years later she wants to come back. No thanks!
Whether Yukon left the Big East or not is semantics. They were one of the first schools trying to leave and had every overblown perception of themselves to do so. The football money came to a head and the rats jumped ship. They saw the basketball schools as losers who would die off because they had no football stake - money, power over the NCAA and media and would just let their partners who they owed their success too, just naturally die off. Yukon was the biggest rat and none of the other ships wanted them. So yes they technically did not leave the Big East but instead were rejected and scorned by not only the Big East but the other conferences they tried to sucker in - ACC and Big 10 (at time). They thought they were the Notre Dame Football of college basketball but in reality weren't. That other conferences don't want them is something to consider. If Duke or even UNC wanted to join the Big East or any other conference pretty much no one would say no. UNC is not exactly spotless but no one would reject them. Why would big conferences pass up the opportunity to add Ucon women's basketball? Something would have to stink pretty foul beyond words to pass that up.
Saying that the Catholic 7 broke off is also semantics. They restored the league to its original intent and were legally entitled to the name/brand which says it all about the semantics.
If you read the Big East language in describing itself it says things like "Since its inception in 1979" "Since it began in 1979" I'm sure this language is vetted and legally sound. In corporate terms I would think of it like forming a new corporation to be rid of previous entanglements which have no future benefit or purpose, and focus upon the future while owning the original brand and refocusing it. For all intents and purposes other than the corporate inception date you are the same company. You have corporations now that are over 100 years old who have done this multiple times even and many companies operate under multiple incorporations, but are still the same company - for all intents and purposes.
Saying that the Catholic 7 broke off is also semantics. They restored the league to its original intent and were legally entitled to the name/brand which says it all about the semantics.
If you read the Big East language in describing itself it says things like "Since its inception in 1979" "Since it began in 1979" I'm sure this language is vetted and legally sound. In corporate terms I would think of it like forming a new corporation to be rid of previous entanglements which have no future benefit or purpose, and focus upon the future while owning the original brand and refocusing it. For all intents and purposes other than the corporate inception date you are the same company. You have corporations now that are over 100 years old who have done this multiple times even and many companies operate under multiple incorporations, but are still the same company - for all intents and purposes.
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=299537][quote="Room112" post=299534][quote="Frank61" post=299515]UCONN made their decision a long time ago. They and all the defectors who left the Big East, now have to live with their decisions. When they left the Big East they didn't care what happened to the teams that were left behind. I personally don't care how any of them do and I don't care to even play with them for a minute. they have made their choice we have made ours. The defectors can go to HELL.[/quote]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Catholic 7 break away from the rest of the league that remained, and eventually kept the Big East name? UConn got left out in the cold without a big name conference affiliation. Yes, they had been rumored to have been looking around prior to the split. But it's not like they abandoned the league prior to the split.[/quote] I believe you are correct. It was well known they were praying for someone else to take them and I wish them nothing but ill will going forward. Mainly for me because of Wiggins and because 90% of their fans are asses even though I know a few good ones[/quote]
I cannot stand their fans. Extremely annoying and usually disrespectful.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Catholic 7 break away from the rest of the league that remained, and eventually kept the Big East name? UConn got left out in the cold without a big name conference affiliation. Yes, they had been rumored to have been looking around prior to the split. But it's not like they abandoned the league prior to the split.[/quote] I believe you are correct. It was well known they were praying for someone else to take them and I wish them nothing but ill will going forward. Mainly for me because of Wiggins and because 90% of their fans are asses even though I know a few good ones[/quote]
I cannot stand their fans. Extremely annoying and usually disrespectful.
[quote="SJU85" post=299548][quote="Frank61" post=299546][quote="Room112" post=299534][quote="Frank61" post=299515]UCONN made their decision a long time ago. They and all the defectors who left the Big East, now have to live with their decisions. When they left the Big East they didn't care what happened to the teams that were left behind. I personally don't care how any of them do and I don't care to even play with them for a minute. they have made their choice we have made ours. The defectors can go to HELL.[/quote]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Catholic 7 break away from the rest of the league that remained, and eventually kept the Big East name? UConn got left out in the cold without a big name conference affiliation. Yes, they had been rumored to have been looking around prior to the split. But it's not like they abandoned the league prior to the split.[/quote]
Yes the CATHOLIC 7 broke away from what was left. That is what I said, the defectors made their decisions, and WE made ours. Our decision was to leave a collection of MISFITS that were left behind and had loyalty to FOOTBALL ROOTS. That is how we left and reformulated the BIG EAST. UCONN got left out in the cold because they embrace FOOTBALL. If they would have dumped football, I think they would have joined the Catholic 7, when we left. We made our decision, and they made theirs. We didn't keep the Big East name we paid a ton of money for the name out of the money that was on the table from the exit fees from the teams that went to the ACC.[/quote]
They weren’t going to drop football after the money spent bringing it up and the moderate success they had at first. In fact Nova was asked to upgrade and join BE football. Not only did they consider it, they drafted plans and how they would accomplish upgrading the facilities including where home games would be played. It was to be presented at a meeting with the other football schools but was tabled as Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers had some concerns. Those concerns turned out to be they were planning and negotiating their exit. So you potentially had another defector.
Whether they paid for the name or not, they still took it with them and left the others.[/quote]
I don't think UConn would have been welcomed even if they dropped the football program at the time. Being a state school, they didn't fit in with the rest of the 7.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Catholic 7 break away from the rest of the league that remained, and eventually kept the Big East name? UConn got left out in the cold without a big name conference affiliation. Yes, they had been rumored to have been looking around prior to the split. But it's not like they abandoned the league prior to the split.[/quote]
Yes the CATHOLIC 7 broke away from what was left. That is what I said, the defectors made their decisions, and WE made ours. Our decision was to leave a collection of MISFITS that were left behind and had loyalty to FOOTBALL ROOTS. That is how we left and reformulated the BIG EAST. UCONN got left out in the cold because they embrace FOOTBALL. If they would have dumped football, I think they would have joined the Catholic 7, when we left. We made our decision, and they made theirs. We didn't keep the Big East name we paid a ton of money for the name out of the money that was on the table from the exit fees from the teams that went to the ACC.[/quote]
They weren’t going to drop football after the money spent bringing it up and the moderate success they had at first. In fact Nova was asked to upgrade and join BE football. Not only did they consider it, they drafted plans and how they would accomplish upgrading the facilities including where home games would be played. It was to be presented at a meeting with the other football schools but was tabled as Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers had some concerns. Those concerns turned out to be they were planning and negotiating their exit. So you potentially had another defector.
Whether they paid for the name or not, they still took it with them and left the others.[/quote]
I don't think UConn would have been welcomed even if they dropped the football program at the time. Being a state school, they didn't fit in with the rest of the 7.
[quote="Room112" post=299555][quote="SJU85" post=299548][quote="Frank61" post=299546][quote="Room112" post=299534][quote="Frank61" post=299515]UCONN made their decision a long time ago. They and all the defectors who left the Big East, now have to live with their decisions. When they left the Big East they didn't care what happened to the teams that were left behind. I personally don't care how any of them do and I don't care to even play with them for a minute. they have made their choice we have made ours. The defectors can go to HELL.[/quote]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Catholic 7 break away from the rest of the league that remained, and eventually kept the Big East name? UConn got left out in the cold without a big name conference affiliation. Yes, they had been rumored to have been looking around prior to the split. But it's not like they abandoned the league prior to the split.[/quote]
Yes the CATHOLIC 7 broke away from what was left. That is what I said, the defectors made their decisions, and WE made ours. Our decision was to leave a collection of MISFITS that were left behind and had loyalty to FOOTBALL ROOTS. That is how we left and reformulated the BIG EAST. UCONN got left out in the cold because they embrace FOOTBALL. If they would have dumped football, I think they would have joined the Catholic 7, when we left. We made our decision, and they made theirs. We didn't keep the Big East name we paid a ton of money for the name out of the money that was on the table from the exit fees from the teams that went to the ACC.[/quote]
They weren’t going to drop football after the money spent bringing it up and the moderate success they had at first. In fact Nova was asked to upgrade and join BE football. Not only did they consider it, they drafted plans and how they would accomplish upgrading the facilities including where home games would be played. It was to be presented at a meeting with the other football schools but was tabled as Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers had some concerns. Those concerns turned out to be they were planning and negotiating their exit. So you potentially had another defector.
Whether they paid for the name or not, they still took it with them and left the others.[/quote]
I don't think UConn would have been welcomed even if they dropped the football program at the time. Being a state school, they didn't fit in with the rest of the 7.[/quote]
And being a State school, they would have inherent advantages over primarily smaller, catholic, or private christian schools.
I think Danny Hurley will succeed big time there.
Good luck to him and them, but I do not want them back in the Big East or give them an official NYC Stage (MSG).
As it is, we'll have to be vigilant and properly structured to be able to compete with Hurley and his Staff.
No need to gift wrap the Trojan Horse.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Catholic 7 break away from the rest of the league that remained, and eventually kept the Big East name? UConn got left out in the cold without a big name conference affiliation. Yes, they had been rumored to have been looking around prior to the split. But it's not like they abandoned the league prior to the split.[/quote]
Yes the CATHOLIC 7 broke away from what was left. That is what I said, the defectors made their decisions, and WE made ours. Our decision was to leave a collection of MISFITS that were left behind and had loyalty to FOOTBALL ROOTS. That is how we left and reformulated the BIG EAST. UCONN got left out in the cold because they embrace FOOTBALL. If they would have dumped football, I think they would have joined the Catholic 7, when we left. We made our decision, and they made theirs. We didn't keep the Big East name we paid a ton of money for the name out of the money that was on the table from the exit fees from the teams that went to the ACC.[/quote]
They weren’t going to drop football after the money spent bringing it up and the moderate success they had at first. In fact Nova was asked to upgrade and join BE football. Not only did they consider it, they drafted plans and how they would accomplish upgrading the facilities including where home games would be played. It was to be presented at a meeting with the other football schools but was tabled as Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers had some concerns. Those concerns turned out to be they were planning and negotiating their exit. So you potentially had another defector.
Whether they paid for the name or not, they still took it with them and left the others.[/quote]
I don't think UConn would have been welcomed even if they dropped the football program at the time. Being a state school, they didn't fit in with the rest of the 7.[/quote]
And being a State school, they would have inherent advantages over primarily smaller, catholic, or private christian schools.
I think Danny Hurley will succeed big time there.
Good luck to him and them, but I do not want them back in the Big East or give them an official NYC Stage (MSG).
As it is, we'll have to be vigilant and properly structured to be able to compete with Hurley and his Staff.
No need to gift wrap the Trojan Horse.
The Big East is a super healthy conference; we don't need any of UCONN, Cuse, Louisville or the other one-time BE schools. We have 2 of the last 3 national champions plus we sell out the Garden every year for our league tournament and usually put 5-6 teams in the dance. Only real advantage UCONN has over us in recruiting is the multiple national championships. I'm not saying we should never play them, but agree totally with others who've said the idea of the old BE schools vs. current BE schools does nothing for BE. Bring on the season and enough about UCONN.
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=299560]The Big East is a super healthy conference; we don't need any of UCONN, Cuse, Louisville or the other one-time BE schools. We have 2 of the last 3 national champions .[/quote]
We? One school has all that, Villanova.
If Gonzaga or Nevada wins the National Championship you wouldn't say the WCC or Mountain West is great because they won the last NC. You would say Gonzaga or Nevada was great.
Conferences are great because they have multiple BIG time programs capable of winning big and multiple potential Final 8 and Final 4 programs year in and year out. That is what made the Big East ridiculously strong, not simply the NC count. In 2009 they had 3 teams as no. 1 seeds, 2 more teams as 3 seeds. That means they had 5 teams inside the committee's top 12 in the country. 5 out of 12 IN THE COUNTRY. 4 Final 8 teams, 2 Final 4 teams. Now North Carolina won the NC and was the best TEAM, no doubt. But that did not make the ACC the best conference. No sir.
That is why it is imperative Georgetown and SJU in particular get up to or at least close to Nova's level for the BE to truly be great. Because of their historical significance to the conference.
We? One school has all that, Villanova.
If Gonzaga or Nevada wins the National Championship you wouldn't say the WCC or Mountain West is great because they won the last NC. You would say Gonzaga or Nevada was great.
Conferences are great because they have multiple BIG time programs capable of winning big and multiple potential Final 8 and Final 4 programs year in and year out. That is what made the Big East ridiculously strong, not simply the NC count. In 2009 they had 3 teams as no. 1 seeds, 2 more teams as 3 seeds. That means they had 5 teams inside the committee's top 12 in the country. 5 out of 12 IN THE COUNTRY. 4 Final 8 teams, 2 Final 4 teams. Now North Carolina won the NC and was the best TEAM, no doubt. But that did not make the ACC the best conference. No sir.
That is why it is imperative Georgetown and SJU in particular get up to or at least close to Nova's level for the BE to truly be great. Because of their historical significance to the conference.
UCONN couldn't get one of the major conferences to pick them up because they are in Storrs, Connecticut. Even being a state school , they are in a small TV market and would add no value to any conferences TV package. That's the bottom line.