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Getting the feelin that our program is falling asleep RUTGERS JUST SIGNED A jC PF we ARE NOT ON ANY ONES TONGUES Media has forgotten us Coach has to get the media and future recruits talking and interested in us again ..Our basketball .clock is ticking
 
Getting the feelin that our program is falling asleep RUTGERS JUST SIGNED A jC PF we ARE NOT ON ANY ONES TONGUES Media has forgotten us Coach has to get the media and future recruits talking and interested in us again ..Our basketball .clock is ticking
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Well said. Very clear. Not a fragment or run on sentence at all there.

Sheer poetry.
 
It looks like the general consensus is not to fold the hand, but place the Bourgault and maybe the Balamou cards in the discard pile. Some posters accept that a Max Hooper is at the top of the deck, and believe that can't make the hand any worse. A lot of posters have concerns about the value of the Greene card, but would hold it unless a Jordan card can replace it. A lot of posters unhappy with Garrett. I love the kid, but question his value to a team with no scorers. If we had 4 scoring threats on the court, he could focus on hustle plays and offensive rebounding. His game falls apart when he is asked to score from beyond the paint. No one is dissing Sampson and Obekpa. Everyone is looking for more from Pointer, but recognize the explosiveness. As for Harrison, a majority want him back. So the question I ask is: What has to happen to make this team more than a one and done, if that?
 
It looks like the general consensus is not to fold the hand, but place the Bourgault and maybe the Balamou cards in the discard pile. Some posters accept that a Max Hooper is at the top of the deck, and believe that can't make the hand any worse. A lot of posters have concerns about the value of the Greene card, but would hold it unless a Jordan card can replace it. A lot of posters unhappy with Garrett. I love the kid, but question his value to a team with no scorers. If we had 4 scoring threats on the court, he could focus on hustle plays and offensive rebounding. His game falls apart when he is asked to score from beyond the paint. No one is dissing Sampson and Obekpa. Everyone is looking for more from Pointer, but recognize the explosiveness. As for Harrison, a majority want him back. So the question I ask is: What has to happen to make this team more than a one and done, if that?
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Agree with almost everything.

Casting aside the ethics of running off kids that committed to the school/program, I'd look at Bourgault-for-Hooper as a low-risk swap. I'd like to see what Balamou could do as a four-year player. (All our recruits will not be starts in the freshman/soph seasons.) Phil can make me nuts, but deserves to be part of this team over the next two years, splitting time behind Branch/Harrison. And Garrett? Starter, no; but valuable contributor, yes. He can be on my team any day.

To get us past one and done? D'lo to be a dependable teammate/shooter; Branch to mature or Jordan to sign on; and Sanchez to be as good as promised. (And the coaching staff to be as effective with our "not so young" team as they were with the 2010-2011 team.)
 
It looks like the general consensus is not to fold the hand, but place the Bourgault and maybe the Balamou cards in the discard pile. Some posters accept that a Max Hooper is at the top of the deck, and believe that can't make the hand any worse. A lot of posters have concerns about the value of the Greene card, but would hold it unless a Jordan card can replace it. A lot of posters unhappy with Garrett. I love the kid, but question his value to a team with no scorers. If we had 4 scoring threats on the court, he could focus on hustle plays and offensive rebounding. His game falls apart when he is asked to score from beyond the paint. No one is dissing Sampson and Obekpa. Everyone is looking for more from Pointer, but recognize the explosiveness. As for Harrison, a majority want him back. So the question I ask is: What has to happen to make this team more than a one and done, if that?
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Agree with almost everything.

Casting aside the ethics of running off kids that committed to the school/program, I'd look at Bourgault-for-Hooper as a low-risk swap. I'd like to see what Balamou could do as a four-year player. (All our recruits will not be stars in the freshman/soph seasons.) Phil can make me nuts, but deserves to be part of this team over the next two years, splitting time behind Branch/Harrison. And Garrett? Starter, no; but valuable contributor, yes. He can be on my team any day.

To get us past one and done? D'lo to be a dependable teammate/shooter; Branch to mature or Jordan to sign on; and Sanchez to be as good as promised. (And the coaching staff to be as effective with our "not so young" team as they were with the 2010-2011 team.)
 
This team has LOADS more talent than the one that Lavin took to the NCAA in his first year. The difference: that was a team loaded with seniors, who during their 4 years we all roundly criticized for one reason or another along the way. This one can't do this; that one can't do that.... That team had lots of games where it couldn't score. It's offense was offensive. Yadda, Yadda, Yadda. I bet no one here would dispute the fact that this team is much more talented than that one.

This team will be very good, with some tinkering in the bodies, and with tinkering on the sidelines,., and I bet next year will be an NCAA team Certainly, if it is not an NCAA team by their senior year, something will have gone terribly wrong.

I am willing to wait and see.
 
This team has LOADS more talent than the one that Lavin took to the NCAA in his first year. The difference: that was a team loaded with seniors, who during their 4 years we all roundly criticized for one reason or another along the way. This one can't do this; that one can't do that.... That team had lots of games where it couldn't score. It's offense was offensive. Yadda, Yadda, Yadda. I bet no one here would dispute the fact that this team is much more talented than that one.

This team will be very good, with some tinkering in the bodies, and with tinkering on the sidelines,., and I bet next year will be an NCAA team Certainly, if it is not an NCAA team by their senior year, something will have gone terribly wrong.

I am willing to wait and see.
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Loads more talent? Not the words I would have chosen. At least not position for position. Loads more potential, based on superior athleticism? Yes. Sampson for sure. No one on that team in Obekpa's league. But Kennedy far more versatile than Pointer/Garrett. Hardy way over Greene. With Hardy, you had Harrison without the attitude problems. Paris Horne better than Greene. But your point is well taken. Everyone trashed them as freshman and sophomores. Said they would never amount to anything. By their senior years, Hardy, Horne, Kennedy and even Brownlee could all hit the three. Not at 40%, but as good or better than anyone we have now. If they could make the tourney, so can this team. But it was the maturation of Hardy and the addition of Brownlee that did it. We need a real scoring option to be added to the roster. It will make a world of difference. Forgot Malik Boothe. With his limitations, I still trusted him with the ball more than Branch. Plus, he hit some clutch field goals and free throws.
 
This team, as Juniors next year, will be better than that team of Seniors. The only concern is that Hardy had ice water in his veins. We need that on a consistent basis from D'Angelo.
 
It looks like the general consensus is not to fold the hand, but place the Bourgault and maybe the Balamou cards in the discard pile. Some posters accept that a Max Hooper is at the top of the deck, and believe that can't make the hand any worse. A lot of posters have concerns about the value of the Greene card, but would hold it unless a Jordan card can replace it. A lot of posters unhappy with Garrett. I love the kid, but question his value to a team with no scorers. If we had 4 scoring threats on the court, he could focus on hustle plays and offensive rebounding. His game falls apart when he is asked to score from beyond the paint. No one is dissing Sampson and Obekpa. Everyone is looking for more from Pointer, but recognize the explosiveness. As for Harrison, a majority want him back. So the question I ask is: What has to happen to make this team more than a one and done, if that?
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Why would anyone consider Balamou on the discard pile? I have said it before and I will repeat it. Balamou. if taught anything from this staff, has more up side then DLo. He is bigger, stronger, quicker, has better ups and is certainly more coachable.
 
This team has LOADS more talent than the one that Lavin took to the NCAA in his first year. The difference: that was a team loaded with seniors, who during their 4 years we all roundly criticized for one reason or another along the way. This one can't do this; that one can't do that.... That team had lots of games where it couldn't score. It's offense was offensive. Yadda, Yadda, Yadda. I bet no one here would dispute the fact that this team is much more talented than that one.

This team will be very good, with some tinkering in the bodies, and with tinkering on the sidelines,., and I bet next year will be an NCAA team Certainly, if it is not an NCAA team by their senior year, something will have gone terribly wrong.

I am willing to wait and see.
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Loads more talent? Not the words I would have chosen. At least not position for position. Loads more potential, based on superior athleticism? Yes. Sampson for sure. No one on that team in Obekpa's league. But Kennedy far more versatile than Pointer/Garrett. Hardy way over Greene. With Hardy, you had Harrison without the attitude problems. Paris Horne better than Greene. But your point is well taken. Everyone trashed them as freshman and sophomores. Said they would never amount to anything. By their senior years, Hardy, Horne, Kennedy and even Brownlee could all hit the three. Not at 40%, but as good or better than anyone we have now. If they could make the tourney, so can this team. But it was the maturation of Hardy and the addition of Brownlee that did it. We need a real scoring option to be added to the roster. It will make a world of difference. Forgot Malik Boothe. With his limitations, I still trusted him with the ball more than Branch. Plus, he hit some clutch field goals and free throws.
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The comparison to the Hardy DJ team raises another question. Dwight was given the ball, came in as a two and mostly played the point as a senior. Did Dwight need the ball to be effective and in effect run the offense off his scoring threat, and how does that apply to DLO and PG? For PG it seems not to work but if we have Branch and DLO starting and in good health after a Europe tour do we start to see a much more dangerous fluid offense?

Also, at the beginning of the season Sampson and Obekpa looked about the same size. Presuming Jakarr has not shrunk, Obekpa looks much bigger and seems to have grown. One counter move (lefty baby hook) and he could start to matter a little on offense.
 
This team, as Juniors next year, will be better than that team of Seniors. The only concern is that Hardy had ice water in his veins. We need that on a consistent basis from D'Angelo.
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SimplyRed, I could not agree more. It's like some people on this board forget how hard they were on DJ and Paris when they freshmen and sophomores. What that team did do to their credit is learn by their jr and sr season how to play to their strengths and gel as a unit.

If this team does that, there is zero reason they should be able to make a run into the NCAA. We forget we were not that far off this year.

Center - Dele Coker/Sean Evans vs CO/OS
PF - Justin Burrell/Rob Thomas vs Jakarr/GG
SF - DJ Kennedy/Justin Brownlee vs Sir Dom/Amir Garrett
SG - Dwight Hardy/Paris Horne vs D'Lo/Phil Green
PG - Malik Booth/Stith vs Branch/?

Deep Bench Polee/Roberts vs Marco/Felix

I imagine to a man on talent alone everyone would pick the team on the right. I think sometimes we forget as fans how hard we on these players and then how quickly our opinions can change. Also, I think we have to ease off the "stat" analysis. Hardy was 39.8% from the field his JR year 38.3% from long range and 71.2% from the line. D'Lo was 37.4%, 36.2%, and 80.0% his first year. Neither were Trajan Langdon. But they were our guys and we love them.

So step back from the ledge, put the razor away, and lets not run any player out of ton just yet. November is only 8 months away!
 
This team, as Juniors next year, will be better than that team of Seniors. The only concern is that Hardy had ice water in his veins. We need that on a consistent basis from D'Angelo.
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SimplyRed, I could not agree more. It's like some people on this board forget how hard they were on DJ and Paris when they freshmen and sophomores. What that team did do to their credit is learn by their jr and sr season how to play to their strengths and gel as a unit.

If this team does that, there is zero reason they should be able to make a run into the NCAA. We forget we were not that far off this year.

Center - Dele Coker/Sean Evans vs CO/OS
PF - Justin Burrell/Rob Thomas vs Jakarr/GG
SF - DJ Kennedy/Justin Brownlee vs Sir Dom/Amir Garrett
SG - Dwight Hardy/Paris Horne vs D'Lo/Phil Green
PG - Malik Booth/Stith vs Branch/?

Deep Bench Polee/Roberts vs Marco/Felix

I imagine to a man on talent alone everyone would pick the team on the right. I think sometimes we forget as fans how hard we on these players and then how quickly our opinions can change. Also, I think we have to ease off the "stat" analysis. Hardy was 39.8% from the field his JR year 38.3% from long range and 71.2% from the line. D'Lo was 37.4%, 36.2%, and 80.0% his first year. Neither were Trajan Langdon. But they were our guys and we love them.

So step back from the ledge, put the razor away, and lets not run any player out of ton just yet. November is only 8 months away!
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Talent is not enough. a team is what that word means-- TEAM. they have to learn and know how to play together and have fun together. Look at that Florida gulf coast team and how they play as a cohesive group and have so much fun on their bench. Players need to stop being selfish and worrying about that NBA contract they dream about
 
This team, as Juniors next year, will be better than that team of Seniors. The only concern is that Hardy had ice water in his veins. We need that on a consistent basis from D'Angelo.
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SimplyRed, I could not agree more. It's like some people on this board forget how hard they were on DJ and Paris when they freshmen and sophomores. What that team did do to their credit is learn by their jr and sr season how to play to their strengths and gel as a unit.

If this team does that, there is zero reason they should be able to make a run into the NCAA. We forget we were not that far off this year.

Center - Dele Coker/Sean Evans vs CO/OS
PF - Justin Burrell/Rob Thomas vs Jakarr/GG
SF - DJ Kennedy/Justin Brownlee vs Sir Dom/Amir Garrett
SG - Dwight Hardy/Paris Horne vs D'Lo/Phil Green
PG - Malik Booth/Stith vs Branch/?

Deep Bench Polee/Roberts vs Marco/Felix

I imagine to a man on talent alone everyone would pick the team on the right. I think sometimes we forget as fans how hard we on these players and then how quickly our opinions can change. Also, I think we have to ease off the "stat" analysis. Hardy was 39.8% from the field his JR year 38.3% from long range and 71.2% from the line. D'Lo was 37.4%, 36.2%, and 80.0% his first year. Neither were Trajan Langdon. But they were our guys and we love them.

So step back from the ledge, put the razor away, and lets not run any player out of ton just yet. November is only 8 months away!
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Talent is not enough. a team is what that word means-- TEAM. they have to learn and know how to play together and have fun together. Look at that Florida gulf coast team and how they play as a cohesive group and have so much fun on their bench. Players need to stop being selfish and worrying about that NBA contract they dream about
 
This team, as Juniors next year, will be better than that team of Seniors. The only concern is that Hardy had ice water in his veins. We need that on a consistent basis from D'Angelo.
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SimplyRed, I could not agree more. It's like some people on this board forget how hard they were on DJ and Paris when they freshmen and sophomores. What that team did do to their credit is learn by their jr and sr season how to play to their strengths and gel as a unit.

If this team does that, there is zero reason they should be able to make a run into the NCAA. We forget we were not that far off this year.

Center - Dele Coker/Sean Evans vs CO/OS
PF - Justin Burrell/Rob Thomas vs Jakarr/GG
SF - DJ Kennedy/Justin Brownlee vs Sir Dom/Amir Garrett
SG - Dwight Hardy/Paris Horne vs D'Lo/Phil Green
PG - Malik Booth/Stith vs Branch/?

Deep Bench Polee/Roberts vs Marco/Felix

I imagine to a man on talent alone everyone would pick the team on the right. I think sometimes we forget as fans how hard we on these players and then how quickly our opinions can change. Also, I think we have to ease off the "stat" analysis. Hardy was 39.8% from the field his JR year 38.3% from long range and 71.2% from the line. D'Lo was 37.4%, 36.2%, and 80.0% his first year. Neither were Trajan Langdon. But they were our guys and we love them.

So step back from the ledge, put the razor away, and lets not run any player out of ton just yet. November is only 8 months away!
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Talent is not enough. a team is what that word means-- TEAM. they have to learn and know how to play together and have fun together. Look at that Florida gulf coast team and how they play as a cohesive group and have so much fun on their bench. Players need to stop being selfish and worrying about that NBA contract they dream about
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I agree Dee, sometimes it takes time to gel. It took our 2011 team 3 years (or 1.5 if you believe if you start it at DH and JB entrance) for that team to really gel. FGCU took less time, they gelled during the year and our currently playing at high level. Is it because they they are a team of full of Jrs, is it because they have the best coach ever, is it because they don't have a fan board that rips them apart ever chance they get? I don't know.

I do know we have talent, I do know that we don't play to our strength, I think that we will grow into it, I think that this suspension will actually turn into a positive, I hope we make the NCAA tourney next year, I know I'll still be in the stands no matter what.
 
This team has LOADS more talent than the one that Lavin took to the NCAA in his first year. The difference: that was a team loaded with seniors, who during their 4 years we all roundly criticized for one reason or another along the way. This one can't do this; that one can't do that.... That team had lots of games where it couldn't score. It's offense was offensive. Yadda, Yadda, Yadda. I bet no one here would dispute the fact that this team is much more talented than that one.

This team will be very good, with some tinkering in the bodies, and with tinkering on the sidelines,., and I bet next year will be an NCAA team Certainly, if it is not an NCAA team by their senior year, something will have gone terribly wrong.

I am willing to wait and see.
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Loads more talent? Not the words I would have chosen. At least not position for position. Loads more potential, based on superior athleticism? Yes. Sampson for sure. No one on that team in Obekpa's league. But Kennedy far more versatile than Pointer/Garrett. Hardy way over Greene. With Hardy, you had Harrison without the attitude problems. Paris Horne better than Greene. But your point is well taken. Everyone trashed them as freshman and sophomores. Said they would never amount to anything. By their senior years, Hardy, Horne, Kennedy and even Brownlee could all hit the three. Not at 40%, but as good or better than anyone we have now. If they could make the tourney, so can this team. But it was the maturation of Hardy and the addition of Brownlee that did it. We need a real scoring option to be added to the roster. It will make a world of difference. Forgot Malik Boothe. With his limitations, I still trusted him with the ball more than Branch. Plus, he hit some clutch field goals and free throws.
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The comparison to the Hardy DJ team raises another question. Dwight was given the ball, came in as a two and mostly played the point as a senior. Did Dwight need the ball to be effective and in effect run the offense off his scoring threat, and how does that apply to DLO and PG? For PG it seems not to work but if we have Branch and DLO starting and in good health after a Europe tour do we start to see a much more dangerous fluid offense?

Also, at the beginning of the season Sampson and Obekpa looked about the same size. Presuming Jakarr has not shrunk, Obekpa looks much bigger and seems to have grown. One counter move (lefty baby hook) and he could start to matter a little on offense.
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Has it been confirmed that Dlo is going to Europe with the team? I'd say that would determine the outcome of his situation. Anyone got any info on that? I expect transfers so one or two 2013 signees would be a good idea. Norm always scored late in the game and got guys who played in the NCAAs. There are plenty of kids still playing in the tourneys who never sniffed the top 100. That beats walkons. Our walkons should have been playing two years ago. There was no need to get 13 wins and make Dunlap look like superman. If Steve could have seen fit to remain visible instead of sitting in the skybox he might have retained some ownership of the operation but he knew we were going to suck and didn't want responsibility for that. The walkons ironically got more minutes when we had a full roster this year. That's so strange.
 
Norm always scored late in the game and got guys who played in the NCAAs.
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Huh? Are you talking about the kids who had never ever sniffed the NCAA Tournament until they went during their senior season? Or, is this a way for you to segue into talking about Evans, as he was a late recruit?

That's so strange.
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Yes! That would be you.
 
Norm always scored late in the game and got guys who played in the NCAAs.
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Huh? Are you talking about the kids who had never ever sniffed the NCAA Tournament until they went during their senior season? Or, is this a way for you to segue into talking about Evans, as he was a late recruit?

That's so strange.
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Yes! That would be you.
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No actually I was thinking more about DJ who was a late gift who would have been in the league w/o the injury. Evans remains on the cusp despite the twelve minutes per game he averaged under Lavin. Say your prayers that Sean doesn't get good news because you will definitely hear from me with reminders about all your stupid posts about him. Something to look forward to. Real SJU fans hope for the best for our players. Where does that put you on the food chain? The droppings category IMO.
 
Real SJU fans hope for the best for our players. Where does that put you on the food chain? The droppings category IMO.
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What makes you any more of a "real" St. John's fan than I? If it's based on saying something ignorant, disgusting, and stupid, along with pissing and moaning, then I guess you are more of a "real" St. John's fan than I.

Another one of your many, poignant quotes.
 
This team has LOADS more talent than the one that Lavin took to the NCAA in his first year. The difference: that was a team loaded with seniors, who during their 4 years we all roundly criticized for one reason or another along the way. This one can't do this; that one can't do that.... That team had lots of games where it couldn't score. It's offense was offensive. Yadda, Yadda, Yadda. I bet no one here would dispute the fact that this team is much more talented than that one.

This team will be very good, with some tinkering in the bodies, and with tinkering on the sidelines,., and I bet next year will be an NCAA team Certainly, if it is not an NCAA team by their senior year, something will have gone terribly wrong.

I am willing to wait and see.
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Loads more talent? Not the words I would have chosen. At least not position for position. Loads more potential, based on superior athleticism? Yes. Sampson for sure. No one on that team in Obekpa's league. But Kennedy far more versatile than Pointer/Garrett. Hardy way over Greene. With Hardy, you had Harrison without the attitude problems. Paris Horne better than Greene. But your point is well taken. Everyone trashed them as freshman and sophomores. Said they would never amount to anything. By their senior years, Hardy, Horne, Kennedy and even Brownlee could all hit the three. Not at 40%, but as good or better than anyone we have now. If they could make the tourney, so can this team. But it was the maturation of Hardy and the addition of Brownlee that did it. We need a real scoring option to be added to the roster. It will make a world of difference. Forgot Malik Boothe. With his limitations, I still trusted him with the ball more than Branch. Plus, he hit some clutch field goals and free throws.
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The comparison to the Hardy DJ team raises another question. Dwight was given the ball, came in as a two and mostly played the point as a senior. Did Dwight need the ball to be effective and in effect run the offense off his scoring threat, and how does that apply to DLO and PG? For PG it seems not to work but if we have Branch and DLO starting and in good health after a Europe tour do we start to see a much more dangerous fluid offense?

Also, at the beginning of the season Sampson and Obekpa looked about the same size. Presuming Jakarr has not shrunk, Obekpa looks much bigger and seems to have grown. One counter move (lefty baby hook) and he could start to matter a little on offense.
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Are we saying that Harrison will be playing on the European trip?
 
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