Pitino Recruiting

[quote="Beast of the East" post=395080][quote="Monte" post=395022][quote="MJDinkins" post=394988][quote="Paul Massell" post=394987][quote="Monte" post=394985]
Respectfully disagree Paul, that he doesn't have something to prove. Pitino will always have something to prove, it's his nature. And especially now. He's old but there's still a lot of gas left in that tank IMO.[/quote]

Even so, I don't think we are in a time where Pitino could come into Iona and make them a top 25 team. Maybe sniff it in a given year but not consistently. I love college basketball as a coach's game but it is barely hanging onto that and there are only a few coaches that distinguish themselves in that way. All the rest do it by recruiting. Different world than when Pitino came up and certainly no comparison to 1970s. I think I recall Calhoun's Div III St Joseph squad beating Yukon but if a great coach could make any team top 25 then Calhoun would have had a lot of money thrown at him the past several years to fix some big name schools and get them into the top 25.[/quote]

Put me in the boat who also don't think Pitino will consistently field a top 25 Iona squad. Maybe in a given year or parts of a season, but not consistently. He'll fare a quality and competitive team similar to Cluess but Pitino will emphasize defense.

Besides, I don't think Pitino will be coaching Iona past year 3. Just my opinion.[/quote]

I give him 3-5 years, he avoids scandal and reestablishes himself, then he bolts for a high D1 job. He'll be in his early 70's then, still young enough to have a nice run at another school. I know he'll be watched very closely, but so are other coaches. He'll play by the same rules as most other college coaches with regard to recruiting. Maybe just a little more cautious. He's succeeded every where else that he's coached, no reason to think he won't at Iona. Having said all that, wouldn't trade him for CMA for all the tea in China, if that's sill an acceptable term to use. lol.[/quote]

Just think about this in terms of Pitino and St. John's. If he really really wanted the SJU job, he would have quietly arranged to drop by campus to say hi, charmed the pants off everyone, acted contrite, and perhaps even be offered a job. Just like local area recruits, he dropped a lame comment about not being contacted by St. John's about the vacancy, likely just to get his name out in people's minds that he is available and interested.
.[/quote]

This is complete nonsense, If Pitino had done this and SJU still did not hire him people on this board would have ripped him for being a slobbering fool. These arguments are not only factually wrong they literally make no sense and are just stupid.

We can just accept this fact, if offered Pitino would have accepted the SJU job. But it is clear he was NEVER going to be offered the SJU job. And that is that.
 
Fordham - with whom I typically agree on most issues... do you honestly think that when Pitino sued Louisville for $40M that he believed that he "deserved to be fired" and that the lawsuit was only about his buyout? Of course not - he had that phony epiphany only when he realized that he would have to show some form of contrition if he was ever going to get another job.
 
[quote="RedmanMike" post=395091]Fordham - with whom I typically agree on most issues... do you honestly think that when Pitino sued Louisville for $40M that he believed that he "deserved to be fired" and that the lawsuit was only about his buyout? Of course not - he had that phony epiphany only when he realized that he would have to show some form of contrition if he was ever going to get another job.[/quote]

Yeah I do. I ti snot the same thing. You are conflating the two. He was basically admitting that from their standpoint they probably did not have much choice but he was not going to accept the fact that he was going to walk away from all that money and essentially admit he was guilty of everything they were accusing him of in an effort not to pay him.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=395087][quote="Beast of the East" post=395080][quote="Monte" post=395022][quote="MJDinkins" post=394988][quote="Paul Massell" post=394987][quote="Monte" post=394985]
Respectfully disagree Paul, that he doesn't have something to prove. Pitino will always have something to prove, it's his nature. And especially now. He's old but there's still a lot of gas left in that tank IMO.[/quote]

Even so, I don't think we are in a time where Pitino could come into Iona and make them a top 25 team. Maybe sniff it in a given year but not consistently. I love college basketball as a coach's game but it is barely hanging onto that and there are only a few coaches that distinguish themselves in that way. All the rest do it by recruiting. Different world than when Pitino came up and certainly no comparison to 1970s. I think I recall Calhoun's Div III St Joseph squad beating Yukon but if a great coach could make any team top 25 then Calhoun would have had a lot of money thrown at him the past several years to fix some big name schools and get them into the top 25.[/quote]

Put me in the boat who also don't think Pitino will consistently field a top 25 Iona squad. Maybe in a given year or parts of a season, but not consistently. He'll fare a quality and competitive team similar to Cluess but Pitino will emphasize defense.

Besides, I don't think Pitino will be coaching Iona past year 3. Just my opinion.[/quote]

I give him 3-5 years, he avoids scandal and reestablishes himself, then he bolts for a high D1 job. He'll be in his early 70's then, still young enough to have a nice run at another school. I know he'll be watched very closely, but so are other coaches. He'll play by the same rules as most other college coaches with regard to recruiting. Maybe just a little more cautious. He's succeeded every where else that he's coached, no reason to think he won't at Iona. Having said all that, wouldn't trade him for CMA for all the tea in China, if that's sill an acceptable term to use. lol.[/quote]

Just think about this in terms of Pitino and St. John's. If he really really wanted the SJU job, he would have quietly arranged to drop by campus to say hi, charmed the pants off everyone, acted contrite, and perhaps even be offered a job. Just like local area recruits, he dropped a lame comment about not being contacted by St. John's about the vacancy, likely just to get his name out in people's minds that he is available and interested.
.[/quote]

This is complete nonsense, If Pitino had done this and SJU still did not hire him people on this board would have ripped him for being a slobbering fool. These arguments are not only factually wrong they literally make no sense and are just stupid.

We can just accept this fact, if offered Pitino would have accepted the SJU job. But it is clear he was NEVER going to be offered the SJU job. And that is that.[/quote]

The point isn't whether Pitino would or would not have been offered the job. The point is that he knew by making a public statement about SJU not speaking to him about the vacancy, he was putting his name out there. If he was really interested, he could have quietly reached out. If it's a fact to you that if offered, he would have accepted, only would prove one thing if true - how far Pitino had fallen from grace. When Calipari was a Pitino disciple and HC at UMASS, Pitino supposedly told Calipari, "Why would you be interested in the St. John's job. You are in a better place now at UMASS."

The point is that every public utterance by Pitino is suspect and said with a purpose. He is a great coach, but a slimeball.
 
Who cares about this guy. He’s an unscrupulous cheater and one of the worst in the game. Good coach, fine.. Zero reason to have even entertained him after multitude of scandals.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=395216][quote="fordham96" post=395087][quote="Beast of the East" post=395080][quote="Monte" post=395022][quote="MJDinkins" post=394988][quote="Paul Massell" post=394987][quote="Monte" post=394985]
Respectfully disagree Paul, that he doesn't have something to prove. Pitino will always have something to prove, it's his nature. And especially now. He's old but there's still a lot of gas left in that tank IMO.[/quote]

Even so, I don't think we are in a time where Pitino could come into Iona and make them a top 25 team. Maybe sniff it in a given year but not consistently. I love college basketball as a coach's game but it is barely hanging onto that and there are only a few coaches that distinguish themselves in that way. All the rest do it by recruiting. Different world than when Pitino came up and certainly no comparison to 1970s. I think I recall Calhoun's Div III St Joseph squad beating Yukon but if a great coach could make any team top 25 then Calhoun would have had a lot of money thrown at him the past several years to fix some big name schools and get them into the top 25.[/quote]

Put me in the boat who also don't think Pitino will consistently field a top 25 Iona squad. Maybe in a given year or parts of a season, but not consistently. He'll fare a quality and competitive team similar to Cluess but Pitino will emphasize defense.

Besides, I don't think Pitino will be coaching Iona past year 3. Just my opinion.[/quote]

I give him 3-5 years, he avoids scandal and reestablishes himself, then he bolts for a high D1 job. He'll be in his early 70's then, still young enough to have a nice run at another school. I know he'll be watched very closely, but so are other coaches. He'll play by the same rules as most other college coaches with regard to recruiting. Maybe just a little more cautious. He's succeeded every where else that he's coached, no reason to think he won't at Iona. Having said all that, wouldn't trade him for CMA for all the tea in China, if that's sill an acceptable term to use. lol.[/quote]

Just think about this in terms of Pitino and St. John's. If he really really wanted the SJU job, he would have quietly arranged to drop by campus to say hi, charmed the pants off everyone, acted contrite, and perhaps even be offered a job. Just like local area recruits, he dropped a lame comment about not being contacted by St. John's about the vacancy, likely just to get his name out in people's minds that he is available and interested.
.[/quote]

This is complete nonsense, If Pitino had done this and SJU still did not hire him people on this board would have ripped him for being a slobbering fool. These arguments are not only factually wrong they literally make no sense and are just stupid.

We can just accept this fact, if offered Pitino would have accepted the SJU job. But it is clear he was NEVER going to be offered the SJU job. And that is that.[/quote]

The point isn't whether Pitino would or would not have been offered the job. The point is that he knew by making a public statement about SJU not speaking to him about the vacancy, he was putting his name out there. If he was really interested, he could have quietly reached out. If it's a fact to you that if offered, he would have accepted, only would prove one thing if true - how far Pitino had fallen from grace. When Calipari was a Pitino disciple and HC at UMASS, Pitino supposedly told Calipari, "Why would you be interested in the St. John's job. You are in a better place now at UMASS."

The point is that every public utterance by Pitino is suspect and said with a purpose. He is a great coach, but a slimeball.[/quote]

Agree, just don't think Pitino is any more slimier then a lot of the HCs. It's just that he's always been more arrogant and careless about it.
 
If Pitino gets a recruit over us that we really want, ill pay attention. Until then, Pitino is of no concern to st johns.
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=395263]If Pitino gets a recruit over us that we really want, ill pay attention. Until then, Pitino is of no concern to st johns.[/quote]

There's no need to pay attention until the tournament matches us up with them. But even then, the committee would look to match them with Louisville or Kentucky before they ever get to a NY vs. NY battle.
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=395263]If Pitino gets a recruit over us that we really want, ill pay attention. Until then, Pitino is of no concern to st johns.[/quote]

They got a real big most of us would love.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=395273][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=395263]If Pitino gets a recruit over us that we really want, ill pay attention. Until then, Pitino is of no concern to st johns.[/quote]

They got a real big most of us would love.[/quote]

I sincerely hope you aren't talking about the kid they just received a commitment from. He looked like Kramer dominating his martial arts class against a bunch of little kids.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=395286][quote="Mike Zaun" post=395273][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=395263]If Pitino gets a recruit over us that we really want, ill pay attention. Until then, Pitino is of no concern to st johns.[/quote]

They got a real big most of us would love.[/quote]

I sincerely hope you aren't talking about the kid they just received a commitment from. He looked like Kramer dominating his martial arts class against a bunch of little kids.[/quote]

Stealing my joke from 3 pages back? ;)
 
For all intent and purposes, Iona is an NYC school. Pitino happens to be one of the greatest coaches of all time, and an NYC/LI guy whose has a lot of baggage. The fact that some of us are paying attention to what he does at Iona doesn't mean that we'd trade him for CMA if we could, nor does it mean that we consider him a threat to our program. One thing has nothing to do with the other. As for this center that he just got, sounds a lot like ADR. And if I remember correctly, many on this board were pretty damn excited at the time that we got ADR.
 
[quote="Monte" post=395292]For all intent and purposes, Iona is an NYC school. Pitino happens to be one of the greatest coaches of all time, and an NYC/LI guy whose has a lot of baggage. The fact that some of us are paying attention to what he does at Iona doesn't mean that we'd trade him for CMA if we could, nor does it mean that we consider him a threat to our program. One thing has nothing to do with the other. As for this center that he just got, sounds a lot like ADR. And if I remember correctly, many on this board were pretty damn excited at the time that we got ADR.[/quote]

Wasn't ADR way more highly rated and played against way better competition??
 
[quote="Room112" post=395303][quote="Monte" post=395292]For all intent and purposes, Iona is an NYC school. Pitino happens to be one of the greatest coaches of all time, and an NYC/LI guy whose has a lot of baggage. The fact that some of us are paying attention to what he does at Iona doesn't mean that we'd trade him for CMA if we could, nor does it mean that we consider him a threat to our program. One thing has nothing to do with the other. As for this center that he just got, sounds a lot like ADR. And if I remember correctly, many on this board were pretty damn excited at the time that we got ADR.[/quote]

Wasn't ADR way more highly rated and played against way better competition??[/quote]

ADR was top 300 or 400, if recall. Watched him a lot as a Jr and Sr, don't recall him going up against anyone in CHSAA taller then 6'4". Not saying that he didn't, just saying I never saw a game where he did.
 
[quote="gman" post=395288][quote="L J S A" post=395286][quote="Mike Zaun" post=395273][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=395263]If Pitino gets a recruit over us that we really want, ill pay attention. Until then, Pitino is of no concern to st johns.[/quote]

They got a real big most of us would love.[/quote]

I sincerely hope you aren't talking about the kid they just received a commitment from. He looked like Kramer dominating his martial arts class against a bunch of little kids.[/quote]

Stealing my joke from 3 pages back? ;)[/quote]

Actually never saw it, but brilliant minds clearly think alike.
 
I will say this: Zendon played a 6'6" kid from GNN, and GC had a 6'5" kid. Not sure if anyone else he ever played had anyone over 6'4". And his teams were kind of sucky and never went anywhere. But major college coaches, summer camps, and McDonald's selection committee could definitely identify him as a player. And he averaged 32 and 13 against short, bad competition as a senior, and 27 and 15 as a junior.

The kid Iona signed is not being identified by anyone as a top player, and his stats vs. the competition are pretty paltry. Do I think Pitino will do a great job with him? Absolutely certain that he'll receive world-class coaching. But in no way, shape, or form should anyone be bitter or salivating over this kid.

Short of Cuffe going there, I'm not sure anything Pitino does in the next year affects us. And if Cuffe went there, it would also mean he didn't pick UConn.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=395342]I will say this: Zendon played a 6'6" kid from GNN, and GC had a 6'5" kid. Not sure if anyone else he ever played had anyone over 6'4". And his teams were kind of sucky and never went anywhere. But major college coaches, summer camps, and McDonald's selection committee could definitely identify him as a player. And he averaged 32 and 13 against short, bad competition as a senior, and 27 and 15 as a junior.

The kid Iona signed is not being identified by anyone as a top player, and his stats vs. the competition are pretty paltry. Do I think Pitino will do a great job with him? Absolutely certain that he'll receive world-class coaching. But in no way, shape, or form should anyone be bitter or salivating over this kid.

Short of Cuffe going there, I'm not sure anything Pitino does in the next year affects us. And if Cuffe went there, it would also mean he didn't pick UConn.[/quote]

Seawanhaka High baby! Testeverde went there too.
 
[quote="Moose" post=400004]https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1318677505579122690[/quote]

The more he talks, the more full of s_ _ t he sounds
 
[quote="Monte" post=400005][quote="Moose" post=400004]https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1318677505579122690[/quote]

The more he talks, the more full of s_ _ t he sounds[/quote]

Some of you guys need to get a life. Read the article and the quote there is literally nothing controversial or necessarily false about what he said.
 
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