Phil Greene

I mentioned this in the game thread yesterday and I'm too lazy to look for myself but I wonder what Phil's numbers look like before Branch joined the team and after.

I have no facts to back it up but it just seems that Phil really started playing better after Branch was able to practice giving him better competition to practice against 
 

I would also like to look at his minutes before and after. 1st nine games, Lindsay got major minutes and Stith was playing more. After Lindsay bolted, Greene got his shot and responded, casting Stith into a spot minutes role. I'd blame Greene for Stith's departure, and thank Lindsay for leaving and giving Greene his chance. :dry:
 

I agree, but it's important to note that Lindsey didn't give Greene the opportunity...Greene TOOK it from Lindsey. Greene is the reason why Lindsey transferred--and must have factored in to Stith's transfer as well. Greene started the last three games before Lindsey left and played much more than Lindsey the last two. The writing was on the wall for Lindsey.

Greene's ceiling is extremely high. It's unreal that this kid might not even be our third best player.
 
Greene's ceiling is extremely high. It's unreal that this kid might not even be our third best player.
 

No doubt marillac... if Sir Dom adds a consistant jumper he stands firm behind the H & H crew. But greene is certainly not far behind and he is nowhere near his peak yet. :woohoo:
 
That 3 guard combo looks nice, but the rebounding worries me. 
 

The way you minimize that, as Syracuse has always done, is make the opposing teams pay for crashing weak side by getting the ball and going. We really can't do that this year with six players, and that is what kills us. You can win playing small, but you have to play fast. We don't have the depth for that, but we will next year :)

Go ahead and crash all you want, we are going to get more points on the boards we do get and quick in-bounds passes that lead to 5-4, 5-3, 4-3, 4-2 advantages. You wear teams down over the course of 40 minutes with strict adherence to that philosophy. When a big man scores he has about 90 feet to make up, and I'm pretty sure our bigs and especially our guards can beat him to his spot near his basket.
 
That 3 guard combo looks nice, but the rebounding worries me. 
 

The way you minimize that, as Syracuse has always done, is make the opposing teams pay for crashing weak side by getting the ball and going. We really can't do that this year with six players, and that is what kills us. You can win playing small, but you have to play fast. We don't have the depth for that, but we will next year :)

Go ahead and crash all you want, we are going to get more points on the boards we do get and quick in-bounds passes that lead to 5-4, 5-3, 4-3, 4-2 advantages. You wear teams down over the course of 40 minutes with strict adherence to that philosophy. When a big man scores he has about 90 feet to make up, and I'm pretty sure our bigs and especially our guards can beat him to his spot near his basket.
 

And we need to look no further than the 2010-2011 STJ team as proof. Some decent size and essentially everyone rebounded well relative to their size/position, but not nearly the Syracuse/Pitt/UConn's of the world. Yet defensive rebounding ended up being a total non-issue (if not an advantage) in part because our transition game was relentless. With the length and leapers we have, our rebounding can be improved not only by adding bigs but by adding depth allowing us to run even more, to your point.
 
http://m.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/dream_lives_on_dkaxq4l5fWqlvxpawOOT9O#stjbb

This is a story of young man who went from being shattered in his personal life to turning it into swagger on the basketball court.

It is story of a life lost and a life blossoming.

It is a story that will make you mourn for the death of Iona recruit Michael Haynes, senselessly gunned down on Chicago’s Southside this summer, and will make you hope his best friend, St. John’s guard Phil Greene IV, takes his game to another level.

“He was my best friend,’’ Greene told The Post. “We both had the same dreams.’’

The dream was to get out of the South Side, get a college education, maybe get a shot at the NBA.

Greene, 20, and Haynes, 22, had been friends since Greene was six.

“He was my big brother,’’ said Greene. “He was my protector.’’

Haynes died trying to protect his cousin, who was involved in an altercation with several men over a stolen necklace. Haynes pushed the shooter, who pulled a gun, and shots cracked the relative quiet of a hot, humid July 26 night.

“I didn’t talk about it with anyone,’’ said Greene. “My head was messed up.’’

Greene shared some of his pain with head coach Steve Lavin, who accompanied his player to Chicago for the funeral. But the real hurt stayed buried like a shell in the sand.

“It took days before he could open and even say a thing,’’ said LaToyria Robinson. Greene IV’s mother. “You could see the hurt on his face. It was like a little kid that had lost his puppy.’’

Yes, there are some losses that are almost unbearable, losses that make you lose your way.

The road to St. John’s had never been easy for Greene. He chose to spend his senior year of high school at IMG Academy in Florida because he wasn’t getting the college offers he thought he deserved. He was the lowest ranked recruit in Lavin’s first full recruiting class.

Greene said that lit a fire. He had a solid freshman season, starting 27 games and averaging 7.8 points. But a wrist injury badly impacted his shooting (36 percent) and he never felt right.

He healed over the summer, spending a lot of time with his father, Phil Greene III, in Chicago, lifting weights and working out at the Salvation Army Kroc Center.

“Phil is probably one of the hardest working guys on the team,’’ said star freshman JaKarr Sampson. “He takes pride in his game. You could tell over the summertime he was in the gym. He wasn’t laying back.

“He came back with some new stuff, some new skills. He improved his jump shot a lot. And he got some new swagger.’’

He also has a heavy heart.

“There are times when I don’t feel like going to the gym or going hard,’’ said Greene. “I think of Michael. I’m doing this for both of us.’’

Greene has played like a man possessed. After scoring a career-high 20 points in the Johnnies’ opening night victory over Detroit, Greene topped himself with a 24-point, seven-assist, five-rebound, one-turnover performance in Sunday’s loss to Baylor.

Going into tonight’s home game against Holy Cross, Green is shooting just under 50 percent (24-of-53) and almost 33 percent on 3’s (4-of-15), and leads the team with 20 assists.

“I’m not surprised because I know how hard he worked this summer and I know who he’s playing for,’’ said Greene III. “I told him, ‘The streets claimed your friend but you cannot let it claim you, too.’’

That would make this story a total tragedy. At least now, a dream blossoms in Phil Greene IV.
 
With his 0-7 tonight, he is now shooting 35% for the season.
And we need him!! Is the injury keeping him from getting to the hoop? If he could get fouled on the drive and make a couple of foul shots it would help. Only reason Steve sticking with him is he doesn't throw the ball away. Will it get to the point he's asked not to shoot? 4 games to go, and I'm pulling like crazy for him to get hot. For all our guys it's make or break these next 4 games. As coach says, this is what it's all about. Go Storm. Getting Pitt. back at the Garden 2 years later is great. Wonder if Hardy around.
 
Greene has played well the last few games before tonight. He's playing with a partially torn labrum in his hip. He's going to be up and down for the rest of the year. I expect a big jump in productivity from him next year when he gets this hip issue settled and he's healthy.
 
Greene has played well the last few games before tonight. He's playing with a partially torn labrum in his hip. He's going to be up and down for the rest of the year. I expect a big jump in productivity from him next year when he gets this hip issue settled and he's healthy.

If he's hurting -- and I'm not questioning his willingness to play through pain; the kid's a warrior -- and it's negatively impacting his game, then he simply shouldn't be shooting as much as he does. His numbers -- .365 FG average and .256(!) from three-point range -- are simply awful.
 
With his 0-7 tonight, he is now shooting 35% for the season.
And we need him!! Is the injury keeping him from getting to the hoop? If he could get fouled on the drive and make a couple of foul shots it would help. Only reason Steve sticking with him is he doesn't throw the ball away. Will it get to the point he's asked not to shoot? 4 games to go, and I'm pulling like crazy for him to get hot. For all our guys it's make or break these next 4 games. As coach says, this is what it's all about. Go Storm. Getting Pitt. back at the Garden 2 years later is great. Wonder if Hardy around.

He might as well throw the ball away he misses so many shots. I have to give him credit because he does have his hot game every 5 games or so, but he can go frozen. Glad to see the kids on campus realized what a big game this was. I wanted to go but had a late class. Good crowd, but quiet crowd. I was kind of surprised a sellout crowd was that quiet.
 
Greene has played well the last few games before tonight. He's playing with a partially torn labrum in his hip. He's going to be up and down for the rest of the year. I expect a big jump in productivity from him next year when he gets this hip issue settled and he's healthy.

If he's hurting -- and I'm not questioning his willingness to play through pain; the kid's a warrior -- and it's negatively impacting his game, then he simply shouldn't be shooting as much as he does. His numbers -- .365 FG average and .256(!) from three-point range -- are simply awful.

He is a warrior and like it or not he's invaluble to this team. That said stop shooting so much
 
Greene has played well the last few games before tonight. He's playing with a partially torn labrum in his hip. He's going to be up and down for the rest of the year. I expect a big jump in productivity from him next year when he gets this hip issue settled and he's healthy.

When you watch him play he seems to be moving well on the court. His quickness and leaping ability haven't seem to be impacted. He's just a hot and cold shooter right now. Hopefully this off-season he can work on it.
 
I still cant understand Lavins love affair w Greene. He played the most minutes of any player tonight, and I do not think it was warrented. If hes cold give him more of a breather. I wouldnt mind seeing a lineup of DLO, Hooper, Dom,Sampson and CO,when Branch is injured.
 
The crowd was quiet because the end result was never really in doubt.

No, the crowd was quiet because other than our season ticket holders, we have quiet fans that quite frankly don't set up any sort of environment in that building. I was lucky enough to get really good seats tonight and I've been in the "season ticket holder" sections a number of times this year. It is quieter than a morgue in these areas. We go on a great run to open a game in which we had to win to stay on the bubble. This is an exciting time for basketball. Not ONCE did our esteemed season ticket holders give our team a standing ovation. Not during this early run, not after holding USF to less than 20 points going into halftime, and not as the clock wound down. My friend and I were often the only ones standing after big players in our area of sitting. For a big game, that atmosphere was awful and quite frankly I don't want to see St. John's fans complaining about the student section. At least THEY'RE loud and they try to set up a home atmosphere.

I was at the St. John's-Syracuse game last weekend at the Carrier Dome. At the start of each half, the ENTIRE Syracuse crowd stands and claps until they score. Even the elderly ones. And you know what else they do?? They get up off their feet when the OPPOSING TEAM makes runs. When St. John's cut the lead to 7 that game the entire Syracuse rose up and clapped to lift their team back up.

I don't know WHY our crowd consistently stinks in terms of crowd noise. All I know is people need to show up and be loud and obnoxious on Sunday and I don't want to hear anymore about the student doing their part in this until our season ticket holders and others can start reasonably holding up their end. Let's be LOUD on Sunday!!
 
The crowd was quiet because the end result was never really in doubt.

No, the crowd was quiet because other than our season ticket holders, we have quiet fans that quite frankly don't set up any sort of environment in that building. I was lucky enough to get really good seats tonight and I've been in the "season ticket holder" sections a number of times this year. It is quieter than a morgue in these areas. We go on a great run to open a game in which we had to win to stay on the bubble. This is an exciting time for basketball. Not ONCE did our esteemed season ticket holders give our team a standing ovation. Not during this early run, not after holding USF to less than 20 points going into halftime, and not as the clock wound down. My friend and I were often the only ones standing after big players in our area of sitting. For a big game, that atmosphere was awful and quite frankly I don't want to see St. John's fans complaining about the student section. At least THEY'RE loud and they try to set up a home atmosphere.

I was at the St. John's-Syracuse game last weekend at the Carrier Dome. At the start of each half, the ENTIRE Syracuse crowd stands and claps until they score. Even the elderly ones. And you know what else they do?? They get up off their feet when the OPPOSING TEAM makes runs. When St. John's cut the lead to 7 that game the entire Syracuse rose up and clapped to lift their team back up.

I don't know WHY our crowd consistently stinks in terms of crowd noise. All I know is people need to show up and be loud and obnoxious on Sunday and I don't want to hear anymore about the student doing their part in this until our season ticket holders and others can start reasonably holding up their end. Let's be LOUD on Sunday!!

I can sum up what you wrote with one specific incident.

After the halftime ceremony the students started a WE ARE ST JOHNS chant. Nobody outside of the students really bothered to join in.
 
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