Anthony Mattia
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Panther, the original post of this thread may be the best thing I have read on this site...ever.
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the criticism of mullin/the basketball program was beyond over the top.
it made cnn/MSNBC's critique of the Donald tame by comparison.
everything about #20 was sliced & diced - clothes, how he sat, where he went/lived, where his family lived.
mitch was too frequently ridiculed for many things that no one knew where/what he was doing.
the recruiting plan was flawed because everyone knows 4 people beating the bushes has to be better than matt.
if the recruit was good, then SJU got lucky.
if the recruit especially high school recruit did not produce in the first 3 games, then lets trimble him out the door..
having a school get a transfer is an insult to many fans.
if SJU beat a team then the team they beat was terrible.
"deserve to win", my new favorite phrase is measured by some magical tally of good minutes.
having 2 of your starters miss a free throw in the last few minutes automatically causes a not deserve to win game.
if a few of your starters play more than 32.3 minutes, you don't deserve to win. since SJU had 2 players play more than 40 minutes against gtown, SJU did not deserve to win.
if you don't have a backup center, you don't deserve to win.
I wonder if anyone on the gtown board is stating that gtown did not deserve to win, because their frosh guard after hitting 10 free throws in a row, missed #11.
I love a recent post that started - sju may not be perfect but. what an intro.
stephens /stevens still sucks. my favorite holiday is December 26th - St. Stephens day.
it made cnn/MSNBC's critique of the Donald tame by comparison.
everything about #20 was sliced & diced - clothes, how he sat, where he went/lived, where his family lived.
mitch was too frequently ridiculed for many things that no one knew where/what he was doing.
the recruiting plan was flawed because everyone knows 4 people beating the bushes has to be better than matt.
if the recruit was good, then SJU got lucky.
if the recruit especially high school recruit did not produce in the first 3 games, then lets trimble him out the door..
having a school get a transfer is an insult to many fans.
if SJU beat a team then the team they beat was terrible.
"deserve to win", my new favorite phrase is measured by some magical tally of good minutes.
having 2 of your starters miss a free throw in the last few minutes automatically causes a not deserve to win game.
if a few of your starters play more than 32.3 minutes, you don't deserve to win. since SJU had 2 players play more than 40 minutes against gtown, SJU did not deserve to win.
if you don't have a backup center, you don't deserve to win.
I wonder if anyone on the gtown board is stating that gtown did not deserve to win, because their frosh guard after hitting 10 free throws in a row, missed #11.
I love a recent post that started - sju may not be perfect but. what an intro.
stephens /stevens still sucks. my favorite holiday is December 26th - St. Stephens day.
The original question when Mullin was hired was will he be more like Drexler or Hoiberg. Things can always change--and nobody understands that better than St. John's fans--but I'm ready to confidently say he's more like Hoiberg.
Hoiberg inherited a MUCH better roster and was able to achieve success quicker due to the talent and experience he inherited. His staff also topped off the roster nicely and I can't take that away from them, but all reasonable fans understand that it's exponentially easier to add to a good core than to build an entire team from nothing.
I firmly believe that we would have been a bubble team last year had Lovett not done what he did. Some posters feel that Mullin and staff should have shouldered full blame for not having the depth to overcome that one injury, but I believe that was a huge lesson learned and it's a natural consequence of rebuilding from scratch--the first wave of recruits bolt once they are recruited over. What made things worse was Mussini going pro on top of the transfers. Another lesson learned. I was livid going into the season with the depth we had and predicted 15-16 wins because of it. I wanted a certain local PG for depth.
I have some philosophical differences with Mullin...I'd like rebounding stressed more, a little more structure on offense, more zone on D, and I'd like some limits placed on players. With that written, I'm incredibly impressed and very surprised to the focus he places on defense. Reserves literally play as well as their defense warrants and they all come in with max effort on that end.
The offense is in great hands and damn near elite. Top recruits want to play in this kind of pro style, non-gimmicky system. Defense is being stressed. Mullin and co. appear to be learning from every mistake. They are recruiting sturdier players, they aren't banking on questionable kids, and they are targeting skilled players over athletes regardless of where they are found.
Hoiberg inherited a MUCH better roster and was able to achieve success quicker due to the talent and experience he inherited. His staff also topped off the roster nicely and I can't take that away from them, but all reasonable fans understand that it's exponentially easier to add to a good core than to build an entire team from nothing.
I firmly believe that we would have been a bubble team last year had Lovett not done what he did. Some posters feel that Mullin and staff should have shouldered full blame for not having the depth to overcome that one injury, but I believe that was a huge lesson learned and it's a natural consequence of rebuilding from scratch--the first wave of recruits bolt once they are recruited over. What made things worse was Mussini going pro on top of the transfers. Another lesson learned. I was livid going into the season with the depth we had and predicted 15-16 wins because of it. I wanted a certain local PG for depth.
I have some philosophical differences with Mullin...I'd like rebounding stressed more, a little more structure on offense, more zone on D, and I'd like some limits placed on players. With that written, I'm incredibly impressed and very surprised to the focus he places on defense. Reserves literally play as well as their defense warrants and they all come in with max effort on that end.
The offense is in great hands and damn near elite. Top recruits want to play in this kind of pro style, non-gimmicky system. Defense is being stressed. Mullin and co. appear to be learning from every mistake. They are recruiting sturdier players, they aren't banking on questionable kids, and they are targeting skilled players over athletes regardless of where they are found.
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=312875]All good points made by Panther. My take on recruiting has been made clear. To get the shiniest of pennies, you have to dive in the cesspool. There are plenty of programs willing to do so. I'm glad this program isn't one of them. Hiring Matt, a master at finding talented and willing transfers and Junior College players, has helped us build a team and still avoid the muck required to land the 5 stars will sleazy handlers. To get the major high school stars that make decisions based on other, more pure, factors, the staff had to show they could win, and develop talent. I think they are doing both just fine at that. Then you need a young man who wants to stay home. Not easy to recruit high school players, but Ponds is a star and Williams has a chance to be one, so maybe we are on the way.
The other thing that matters is finding coachable players that have the smarts and guts to win close games. That comes with finding kids willing to play a team game that stay in college long enough to get better and make good decisions in the end game. Figgy doesn't make the steal, and the headlines read how St. John's is off to a disappointing start, and was overhyped due to a weak OOC schedule. I think the staff has turned a stumbling program around, and that big things are ahead. One bounce, hopefully which goes our way, at a time.[/quote]
Well-said, Ray. One bounce at a time, one game at a time.Let's go Redmen.
The other thing that matters is finding coachable players that have the smarts and guts to win close games. That comes with finding kids willing to play a team game that stay in college long enough to get better and make good decisions in the end game. Figgy doesn't make the steal, and the headlines read how St. John's is off to a disappointing start, and was overhyped due to a weak OOC schedule. I think the staff has turned a stumbling program around, and that big things are ahead. One bounce, hopefully which goes our way, at a time.[/quote]
Well-said, Ray. One bounce at a time, one game at a time.Let's go Redmen.
[quote="Marillac" post=312947]The original question when Mullin was hired was will he be more like Drexler or Hoiberg. Things can always change--and nobody understands that better than St. John's fans--but I'm ready to confidently say he's more like Hoiberg.
Hoiberg inherited a MUCH better roster and was able to achieve success quicker due to the talent and experience he inherited. His staff also topped off the roster nicely and I can't take that away from them, but all reasonable fans understand that it's exponentially easier to add to a good core than to build an entire team from nothing.
I firmly believe that we would have been a bubble team last year had Lovett not done what he did. Some posters feel that Mullin and staff should have shouldered full blame for not having the depth to overcome that one injury, but I believe that was a huge lesson learned and it's a natural consequence of rebuilding from scratch--the first wave of recruits bolt once they are recruited over. What made things worse was Mussini going pro on top of the transfers. Another lesson learned. I was livid going into the season with the depth we had and predicted 15-16 wins because of it. I wanted a certain local PG for depth.
I have some philosophical differences with Mullin...I'd like rebounding stressed more, a little more structure on offense, more zone on D, and I'd like some limits placed on players. With that written, I'm incredibly impressed and very surprised to the focus he places on defense. Reserves literally play as well as their defense warrants and they all come in with max effort on that end.
The offense is in great hands and damn near elite. Top recruits want to play in this kind of pro style, non-gimmicky system. Defense is being stressed. Mullin and co. appear to be learning from every mistake. They are recruiting sturdier players, they aren't banking on questionable kids, and they are targeting skilled players over athletes regardless of where they are found.[/quote]
We are one of the few teams that run this type of pro-style offense. He wants everybody to be able to shoot when they have a good shot, and defend almost every position. We actually ran quite a few plays out of it in the Georgetown game, but Mullin isn’t gonna micromanage offensive sets for the most part. Players get to creat but have to move the ball. Apparently Mullin will sub you out if you DON’T shoot, which I don’t think you’ll see from many coaches.
Our defense has been awesome since starting very slow in the early season, but that happened with us last year too. Defense can be taught and that’s obvious, especially when you have great athletes.
It’s all coming together for us. Mullin will be successful here as long as we are getting good players who are good enough to execute at both ends in this style. Need good offensive creators and good shooters.
After watching SJU for decades, it’s one of the few times we have had a team that could really shoot. It’s a lot more fun than the rock-fight ball of the past.
Hoiberg inherited a MUCH better roster and was able to achieve success quicker due to the talent and experience he inherited. His staff also topped off the roster nicely and I can't take that away from them, but all reasonable fans understand that it's exponentially easier to add to a good core than to build an entire team from nothing.
I firmly believe that we would have been a bubble team last year had Lovett not done what he did. Some posters feel that Mullin and staff should have shouldered full blame for not having the depth to overcome that one injury, but I believe that was a huge lesson learned and it's a natural consequence of rebuilding from scratch--the first wave of recruits bolt once they are recruited over. What made things worse was Mussini going pro on top of the transfers. Another lesson learned. I was livid going into the season with the depth we had and predicted 15-16 wins because of it. I wanted a certain local PG for depth.
I have some philosophical differences with Mullin...I'd like rebounding stressed more, a little more structure on offense, more zone on D, and I'd like some limits placed on players. With that written, I'm incredibly impressed and very surprised to the focus he places on defense. Reserves literally play as well as their defense warrants and they all come in with max effort on that end.
The offense is in great hands and damn near elite. Top recruits want to play in this kind of pro style, non-gimmicky system. Defense is being stressed. Mullin and co. appear to be learning from every mistake. They are recruiting sturdier players, they aren't banking on questionable kids, and they are targeting skilled players over athletes regardless of where they are found.[/quote]
We are one of the few teams that run this type of pro-style offense. He wants everybody to be able to shoot when they have a good shot, and defend almost every position. We actually ran quite a few plays out of it in the Georgetown game, but Mullin isn’t gonna micromanage offensive sets for the most part. Players get to creat but have to move the ball. Apparently Mullin will sub you out if you DON’T shoot, which I don’t think you’ll see from many coaches.
Our defense has been awesome since starting very slow in the early season, but that happened with us last year too. Defense can be taught and that’s obvious, especially when you have great athletes.
It’s all coming together for us. Mullin will be successful here as long as we are getting good players who are good enough to execute at both ends in this style. Need good offensive creators and good shooters.
After watching SJU for decades, it’s one of the few times we have had a team that could really shoot. It’s a lot more fun than the rock-fight ball of the past.
beast of the east
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I think it's way too early to say what type of players mullin goes after. I think we are still in the mode of taking the best players available that want to come here. As we have success and more players want to come here we will see what type if team we build once we have options
[quote="Beast of the East" post=312983]I think it's way too early to say what type of players mullin goes after. I think we are still in the mode of taking the best players available that want to come here. As we have success and more players want to come here we will see what type if team we build once we have options[/quote]
Not that this doesn’t mean he’s not going after best player available but is there a player in our rotation who is a one position player? He wants versatility, that seems obvious.
Not that this doesn’t mean he’s not going after best player available but is there a player in our rotation who is a one position player? He wants versatility, that seems obvious.
beast of the east
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[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=312987][quote="Beast of the East" post=312983]I think it's way too early to say what type of players mullin goes after. I think we are still in the mode of taking the best players available that want to come here. As we have success and more players want to come here we will see what type if team we build once we have options[/quote]
Not that this doesn’t mean he’s not going after best player available but is there a player in our rotation who is a one position player? He wants versatility, that seems obvious.[/quote]
Just saying it will become clearer when we can be more selective.
Not that this doesn’t mean he’s not going after best player available but is there a player in our rotation who is a one position player? He wants versatility, that seems obvious.[/quote]
Just saying it will become clearer when we can be more selective.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=313001][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=312987][quote="Beast of the East" post=312983]I think it's way too early to say what type of players mullin goes after. I think we are still in the mode of taking the best players available that want to come here. As we have success and more players want to come here we will see what type if team we build once we have options[/quote]
Not that this doesn’t mean he’s not going after best player available but is there a player in our rotation who is a one position player? He wants versatility, that seems obvious.[/quote]
Just saying it will become clearer when we can be more selective.[/quote]
I think it's becoming clearer already. We've gone from guys like Mussini and Dixon to Figueroa, Williams, Tabor, etc.
The last three are guys who can switch on anyone on D and play with versatility on offense. Mack is a big college PG in his own right and I'd bet he'd have no problem defending 1-3 based solely on his physical attributes.
Not that this doesn’t mean he’s not going after best player available but is there a player in our rotation who is a one position player? He wants versatility, that seems obvious.[/quote]
Just saying it will become clearer when we can be more selective.[/quote]
I think it's becoming clearer already. We've gone from guys like Mussini and Dixon to Figueroa, Williams, Tabor, etc.
The last three are guys who can switch on anyone on D and play with versatility on offense. Mack is a big college PG in his own right and I'd bet he'd have no problem defending 1-3 based solely on his physical attributes.
Joe Tempesta
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Extremely well said!
Class of 72
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I agree with most of what you said. I'm not enamored by being known as Transfer U. I don't think we should ever have more than 2 sit out transfers rather than JC and high level prep players eligible immediately. The in-game comments are useless unless one has no access to viewing the game and even then they are not worth scrolling through.
Mullin has come a long way but I will be firm in my belief that Mitch Richmond is best suited as a player development advisor and that we must hire an experienced college guy. The only reason why we haven't is the Slice fiasco.
One thing is certain and that is that there are no easy conference games and this is the most balance I have ever seen in the Big East conference. The Big East Tournament will be very competitive.
Mullin has come a long way but I will be firm in my belief that Mitch Richmond is best suited as a player development advisor and that we must hire an experienced college guy. The only reason why we haven't is the Slice fiasco.
One thing is certain and that is that there are no easy conference games and this is the most balance I have ever seen in the Big East conference. The Big East Tournament will be very competitive.
[quote="OLV72" post=312900]Monte's one of the best fans of this program I've been around. We're all fans and we do what fans do when do when our players mess up.
I always stay away from the keyboard during games.[/quote]
Thanks OLV, as are you. Like me, you've lived and died with this program for more years than either of us care to acknowledge. Staying away from the keyboard during the game is excellent advice, not to mention staying away from the keyboard when drinking. The only guy that can get away with that is Maher. lol.
I always stay away from the keyboard during games.[/quote]
Thanks OLV, as are you. Like me, you've lived and died with this program for more years than either of us care to acknowledge. Staying away from the keyboard during the game is excellent advice, not to mention staying away from the keyboard when drinking. The only guy that can get away with that is Maher. lol.
[quote="Monte" post=313046][quote="OLV72" post=312900]Monte's one of the best fans of this program I've been around. We're all fans and we do what fans do when do when our players mess up.
I always stay away from the keyboard during games.[/quote]
Thanks OLV, as are you. Like me, you've lived and died with this program for more years than either of us care to acknowledge. Staying away from the keyboard during the game is excellent advice, not to mention staying away from the keyboard when drinking. The only guy that can get away with that is Maher. lol.[/quote] I try and stay away from PWI
at msg games my hands are mainly for Bronx Pale Ales and texting with fellow dimented Johnny fans and giving the finger to refs
I always stay away from the keyboard during games.[/quote]
Thanks OLV, as are you. Like me, you've lived and died with this program for more years than either of us care to acknowledge. Staying away from the keyboard during the game is excellent advice, not to mention staying away from the keyboard when drinking. The only guy that can get away with that is Maher. lol.[/quote] I try and stay away from PWI
at msg games my hands are mainly for Bronx Pale Ales and texting with fellow dimented Johnny fans and giving the finger to refs