One thing I would have liked to see from D'Angelo
- Thread starter montyaloofah
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Hardy was the PG.
If Lavin calls a timeout and tells D'Angelo to stand in the far corner and don't move and get the ball to Phil, what is he supposed to do? Even the stupid announcers saw it.
Phil shouldn't have even been playing PG with Branch out there. The majority of Phil's points last night came from off the ball.
This is incredibly annoying.
Well, Harrison didn't get into foul trouble and we didn't lose by 20. I've never understood this analogy when trying to point out negatives. I can say, if Arcidiacono didn't score 34 points, then 'Nova gets plastered. Or, if the refs wasn't so incompetent, then we win. See how that game is played?
Do you know what "false motion" means in basketball terms? I don't think you actually know. It was similar to what we ran when Dunlap was on our staff. We actually carved up a few teams during the 2010-2011 season (vividly, remember running it against G'town at MSG that particular season) running a similar offense. It lends itself to hitting cutters or possibly, resetting a play.
The offense worked great against teams 2 years ago because we had to be defended at the perimeter. We shredded duke because they play tough man to man all the way out to half court. This team doesnt force anyone to guard them that far away. They can watch phil dribble the ball for 30 seconds, what do they care?
From Wiki: "With a depleted roster and damaged recruiting lure, Crean's first three seasons saw losing records of 6–25 (the worst in school history), 10-21, and 12-20. However, during this period Crean's recruiting classes progressively improved, most notably with the signing of five-star recruit and McDonald's All-American Cody Zeller, an Indiana native and lifelong Indiana Hoosier fan. Zeller was the highest ranked recruit to join the Indiana program since the Sampson era.The 2011-2012 season was a watershed one for Crean and the program, which saw a 27–9 record and a sweet 16 appearance. The season also saw home wins over #1 ranked Kentucky, #2 ranked Ohio State, and #5 ranked Michigan State."
My point is that it wasn't until year 4(and the arrival of Cody Zeller) that Indiana turned the corner. I think we're pushing the panic button way to fast. Having said that, IMO Jarvis is a better game coach than Lavin. And it kills me to say anything good about Jarvis.
MJ is right, and calling it false motion isn't a criticism.., that's the name of the offense. Also known as reverse motion, or reverse action. And actually we ran it better last night than we have all year. But Mase is right, it's most effective when you can spread the defense. It worked great when DJ and Brownlee set those screens, bc you couldn't trap the ball handler and leave them wide open. But now, watch Dangelo or Phil come around a pick... They get trapped immediately bc teams aren't afraid to leave Sampson, Amir, Dom etc open.
Also, if the defense has to cover you out on the perimeter there should be lots of backdoor cuts open. Remember how many back door alley oops we had to Horne and Polee, even Burrell ? We're have they been this year?
So, our offense is there - and it's improving, but to take the next step our forwards need to become passing/shooting threats, and they aren't.
http://hooptactics.net/freesite/offstrategies/motionoffense/reverseaction1.php
http://www.coachpeelbasketball.com/free/reverse_action_offense.htm
Perhaps Jarvis may prove to be a better game coach than Lavin, but he isn't nor will he ever be 1/10th the recruiter that Coach Lavin is.
Dear montyaloofah,
For one thing DLo played 44 minutes last night and had to be exhausted in OT. Secondly, he is a very good college player but to ask him to do what Jordan, Kobe or Lebron do is just outrageous. They are all very large guards while DLo is small for his position. We won't even bring up speed. Lastly, all 3 of the players you named will be in the NBA Hall of Fame and would be considered in the top 10 to ever play the game. I love DLo as a player and a person but I hope he gets a turn in the NBA.
Your comparison is just not fair.
That is the roughest post I have read in a long time.
RedStormRising
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I would have liked one more point in regulation from him.
False motion meaning moving without any purpose.
What cutters have you seen besides the South Carolina game? Stop making excuses as if they're doing something besides playing Catch behind the 3 point line.
This board cannot let go of the 2010 season.
And you know what this strikes me as? A guy who didn't know the intricacies of an offense that Dunlap ran and simply tries to mimic it.
I want to know what play we run from "Cappy". If you call Phil isolating a play, then I'll just step away from this discussion.
jrhoops1949
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I hear ya, but feel losing a fans emotion for now and seeing what we have at seasons end might give us a better feel for what we have going.
This was a response to a post by 72.
This was a response to a post by 72.
Is there really a 31 post thread about the leading scorer in the Big East and 6th highest scorer in the country the day after we lost a game for almost every reason under the sun but him?
Not minimizing last night's loss. Plenty of blame to go around, including not utilizing Harrison more effectively in the last 7 minutes (when he got his 32nd point). Nova was in all out deny on him and we didn't run any creative action off screens to get a slip from the screener to the rim, didn't try to isolate his side of the floor and get a back door, nothing. We just kept trying to forcefeed it to him on a dribble hand-off 30+ feet from the basket or didn't get it to him at all, allowing Nova to effectively take him out of the game like they wanted save the last play of regulation.
Go back 5 years for a second then fastforward to having one of the best scorers in the country. Frustrating and critical loss but there can still be an appreciation for having a kid this talented putting together the kind of season he is. When is the last time we had a sophomore putting up these kind of numbers? When was the last time we had anybody putting up these kind of numbers? His last 3 games are about as effecetive and efficient as a guard can play. We're really lucky to have him.
Not minimizing last night's loss. Plenty of blame to go around, including not utilizing Harrison more effectively in the last 7 minutes (when he got his 32nd point). Nova was in all out deny on him and we didn't run any creative action off screens to get a slip from the screener to the rim, didn't try to isolate his side of the floor and get a back door, nothing. We just kept trying to forcefeed it to him on a dribble hand-off 30+ feet from the basket or didn't get it to him at all, allowing Nova to effectively take him out of the game like they wanted save the last play of regulation.
Go back 5 years for a second then fastforward to having one of the best scorers in the country. Frustrating and critical loss but there can still be an appreciation for having a kid this talented putting together the kind of season he is. When is the last time we had a sophomore putting up these kind of numbers? When was the last time we had anybody putting up these kind of numbers? His last 3 games are about as effecetive and efficient as a guard can play. We're really lucky to have him.
False motion is an offense, and it doesn't mean without a purpose. Trust me! You couldn't be further from the truth. Stop allowing your emotions to overwhelm your train of thought.
Making excuses? Once again, you couldn't be further from the truth. Point out where I've made any excuses. I just stated what the offense was set up to do. Whether, it's being done is another thing. I'll chalk this up to your emotions overwhelming your thought process again (as, well as a strawman).
What does my bringing up what this same offense did in 2010 have to do with this season? I just stated this offense was also being ran a couple of seasons ago. It's called facts.
Some of y'all can rant and rave all day. Whatever floats your boat. Personally, I tend to wait until all the info is in before I make a verdict. Things look rocky at the moment, but there is always a chance for the ride to end up a bit smoother. Whether, it happens or not remains to be seen. I'm willing to see what will transpire the rest of the way.
tom in salem
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Harrison is on the floor to score, not pass.
Class of 72
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TIS, every player is on the floor to score on this team. D'Lo just creates his own shot better than the others. I was being sarcastic about the one assist but we play a three guard offense and as piss poor as Karr played the rest of the team forgot he was even in the game. No team, other than the Ausrin Carr ND teams of a lifetime ago, will ever win games with a one man offense. This coaching staff needs to steal the playbook from Butler and Gonzaga and recruit similar players.
Jay Wright did something very simple in OT......he shut down our only threat. Lavin had a chance for 40 minutes to shut down a freshman that may never score 32 points again in his Nova career and never made the change. We have two sophs (Pointer and Branch) who were on prep all-defensive teams and neither was dedicated to just sticking like glue to pimple face. I left Harrison out of the pimple face defensive assignment because he does not play defense.
SJUhoopNUT
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We need to use Harrison as a closer much like we did Hardy. Get him the ball at the top and give him a ball screen (much like Nova was doing all night to free up Ryan A). Harrison isn't a great creator but still, the defense will have to react when he comes off a screen. Maybe he gets a clean look off a screen from bad D, or bad switch or maybe he penetrates and finds the open man.
Having Harrison thought sitting in the corner on that crucial possession though I didn't like. Teams know they can't leave him, even if Greene gets it out top and beats his man, no one is helping off Harrison.
Bottom line, get the ball in your best players hands and lets take our chances.
Having Harrison thought sitting in the corner on that crucial possession though I didn't like. Teams know they can't leave him, even if Greene gets it out top and beats his man, no one is helping off Harrison.
Bottom line, get the ball in your best players hands and lets take our chances.
