The reality for NYC and other Cities is that violent Crime and Murder are skyrocketing . It is understandable a Player from the City may feel his safety is more important than where he plays basketball . Only time will tell if this young man wants a School that he might feel safer at attending . Or , if it’s something else . There are other players to be recruited for next season . Having confidence in CMA is still there .
NYC Crime Rate
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SLYFOXX1968 post=440175 said:
NYC is on pace to have fewer murders this year than in 2020, which if the current pace continues would be about 200 fewer than 2000, and about 1,800 fewer than 1990.
This is not to diminish the threat in Far Rockaway and elsewhere. But the reality is NYC is still the safest big city in the U.S. and is nowhere near the bad old days.
[URL][URL]https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/pr1006/nypd-citywide-crime-statistics-september-2021[/URL][/url]
For starters, when crimes are not being prosecuted, then of course the crime rate "seems" lower. Second, there is no way in hell I'm believing any crime statistics being released by city. This coming from someone who knows a thing or two about the inner workings of the city, and how they manipulate and distort statistics. Third, as someone who grew up here in 70s, and who has lived in NYC their entire life, I have never felt less safe here then I do right now. And lastly, I scoured the internet and could not find one recent article which proclaimed NYC anywhere near the safest big city in the country. Maybe 10-20 years ago, but not now.MainMan post=440191 said:
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You guys can cherry pick stats all you want, the fact of the matter is that shootings and most other violent crimes are way up this year. The fact that there are less murders, is simply a result of poor aim and/or good luck(for the victims):
[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/nyregion/shootings-nyc-covid.amp.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/nyregion/shootings-nyc-covid.amp.html[/URL]
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Monte post=440197 said:
The article you're sharing is from May. Here is a more recent article from today stating things are returning to pre pandemic levels.
[URL]https://patch.com/new-york/new...rime-continues-drop-pandemic-highs-data-shows[/URL]
Regardless. Let's get back on track with this thread.
See my previous posts about cherry picking statistics and about my lack of faith in the crime statistics the city releases. Too top that, are we to simply believe the word of our Mayor? Because this article provides very little other then his word. I could provide article after article to counter his claims. Having said all this, stats(if accurate) are fine, but I trust my own eyes and ears, along with those of people that I know, way more. That includes many many friends and family in law enforcement, etc. The city has a huge problem with crime right now, Maybe that will change under Adams. He's certainly not in denial about it.Room112 post=440199 said:
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The great thing about the interwebs is that you can find a peer-reviewed study supporting your position, no matter what that position is.Monte post=440200 said:
According to this story from yesterday by ABC news, overall crime in Sept was up but violent crime was down.
[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7ny.com/amp/crime-nypd-nyc-shootings/11091591/[/URL]
The fact that violent crimes is down, if it actually is(I'm skeptical since the city seems to have reclassified what constitutes a "violent" crime), is somewhat encouraging. But still we have no way of knowing it these stats are accurate, and if they are, whether this is an anomaly or we're now trending in the right direction. Here's all I keep hearing from friends on the job "we know what we need to do to reduce crime. We know how to do it the right way. Our hands have been completely tied by our elected officials". To those who think NYC is such a safe place right now, do any of you actually live in NYC?
[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7ny.com/amp/crime-nypd-nyc-shootings/11091591/[/URL]
The fact that violent crimes is down, if it actually is(I'm skeptical since the city seems to have reclassified what constitutes a "violent" crime), is somewhat encouraging. But still we have no way of knowing it these stats are accurate, and if they are, whether this is an anomaly or we're now trending in the right direction. Here's all I keep hearing from friends on the job "we know what we need to do to reduce crime. We know how to do it the right way. Our hands have been completely tied by our elected officials". To those who think NYC is such a safe place right now, do any of you actually live in NYC?
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I think there's a false narrative going around about NYC descending into lawlessness. Murders rose significantly in 2020, but unfortunately, that was the case across all of the U.S. and the pandemic is a big reason for it.
But no, I don't think the city is anywhere near where it was in the bad old days because I was unlucky enough to be born right smack dab in them.
I lived for about 25 years from the mid-70s through the late-90s in an urban part of Queens in what was easily the worst crime era NYC has ever known. I was mugged six times in my life all in NYC - one with a box cutter to my neck - none in the last 25 years. A friend of mine was clubbed with a broken broomstick across his head in the late 80s. A kid I knew a few years older than me lured a gay man into a schoolyard and then beat him to death with two other guys. A HS classmate slit another classmate's face with a straight razor right in front of me circa 1992. My rowhouse home was often the target of burglars and my folks eventually had bars placed on the windows and doors. I've been the victim of violence and have seen violence up close.
And no, I don't think NYC is anywhere near there. I live right across the river in Hudson County, NJ. My wife commutes into the city. My elderly folks still live in the same place. My cousin just retired from 20 yrs on the job in Bushwick. I am in the city a lot.
There are definitely problems that I see coming back - most notably the number of homeless and mentally disturbed people on the street. I also see a lot of problems with trash.
But do I walk with the same fear I had in the early 90s when the city felt dangerous at every turn? No, not at all.
But no, I don't think the city is anywhere near where it was in the bad old days because I was unlucky enough to be born right smack dab in them.
I lived for about 25 years from the mid-70s through the late-90s in an urban part of Queens in what was easily the worst crime era NYC has ever known. I was mugged six times in my life all in NYC - one with a box cutter to my neck - none in the last 25 years. A friend of mine was clubbed with a broken broomstick across his head in the late 80s. A kid I knew a few years older than me lured a gay man into a schoolyard and then beat him to death with two other guys. A HS classmate slit another classmate's face with a straight razor right in front of me circa 1992. My rowhouse home was often the target of burglars and my folks eventually had bars placed on the windows and doors. I've been the victim of violence and have seen violence up close.
And no, I don't think NYC is anywhere near there. I live right across the river in Hudson County, NJ. My wife commutes into the city. My elderly folks still live in the same place. My cousin just retired from 20 yrs on the job in Bushwick. I am in the city a lot.
There are definitely problems that I see coming back - most notably the number of homeless and mentally disturbed people on the street. I also see a lot of problems with trash.
But do I walk with the same fear I had in the early 90s when the city felt dangerous at every turn? No, not at all.
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I agree that statistically the city is nowhere near where is was in the 80s and early 90s, when the crack epidemic was raging. I believe that the all time city murder record was set in 92' or 93', and it was in the 2,400 range. We are a far cry from those numbers, however I prefer to set the bar at the best of times in NYC, not the worst of times. I also agree that the number of mentally disturbed people walking the streets is much worse then its ever been. This, in turn, has greatly increased the random acts of violence(people being pushed on to subway tracks, random attacks on the elderly, etc) and has definitely contributed to my feeling less safe now then ever before. I do not agree that the pandemic has much, if anything,MainMan post=440214 said:
to do with the spike in crime. It's mostly bail reform and lack of prosecutions. The NYPD having their hands tied ain't helping none. I'm sure your cousin will verify that. Again, this is not only what I see and read, but what I hear from people I know who are much more knowledgeable then me. FWIW I grew up in Bushwick, directly across from the old 83rd Pct on Dekalb and Wilson aves. In 1981 I was carjacked at gunpoint in Bushwick. Actually had my SJU graduation ring stolen then. Never had it replaced. i've had other encounters with violence, as have my siblings. I pride myself on being street smart and I don't scare easily. I don't like what I've seen over the past few years in NYC. Yea there are some false narratives being put forth, but they are not coming from just one side. At the end of the day, perception is just as important as reality. The perception is that NYC is not a safe place. Maybe safer then it was 30 years ago, but not nearly as safe as it was 20 years ago. And that's not perception, that's fact.
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Yes, I know it's the NY Post, but the Times won't report on the kind of thing;
[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/n...is-awlful-to-people-its-supposed-to-help/amp/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/n...is-awlful-to-people-its-supposed-to-help/amp/[/URL]
Growing up in Flatbush and going to High School 1967-1971 seemed to me that Brooklyn, at least, (I don't know about the other Boroughs) was very unsafe in the 1970's. Of course in those days many areas were safer than others.
Today some of the most unsafe neighborhoods from back then are so hot someone making good money can't afford to rent or buy there. Surprises me a lot, but very true. Brooklyn, almost all over, is a very hot ticket.
Now, I visited the Rockaways and my sister was a nurse at Far Rockaway Hospital mid 60's to mid 70's so that is a part of Queens I knew. Far Rockaway was, and is, unsafe. It may be slightly better now, as the Rockaways has spread somewhat into neighboring Far Rockaway, similar to what happened to Williamsburg and Bushwick.
I don't blame Sanders' mom (if true).
Any chance that cameras, cell phones and videos, make it seem less safe. CBS, NBC, ABC, local news always lead with video of some mugging, shooting or other violent crime THAT THEY HAVE VIDEO OF. If they don't have video you might not even get a mention. In the 1970's there was no video.
Today some of the most unsafe neighborhoods from back then are so hot someone making good money can't afford to rent or buy there. Surprises me a lot, but very true. Brooklyn, almost all over, is a very hot ticket.
Now, I visited the Rockaways and my sister was a nurse at Far Rockaway Hospital mid 60's to mid 70's so that is a part of Queens I knew. Far Rockaway was, and is, unsafe. It may be slightly better now, as the Rockaways has spread somewhat into neighboring Far Rockaway, similar to what happened to Williamsburg and Bushwick.
I don't blame Sanders' mom (if true).
Any chance that cameras, cell phones and videos, make it seem less safe. CBS, NBC, ABC, local news always lead with video of some mugging, shooting or other violent crime THAT THEY HAVE VIDEO OF. If they don't have video you might not even get a mention. In the 1970's there was no video.
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Agree completely on the media putting bad news front and center, to the point of sensory overload. We didn't have that in the past. But putting aside what I read in the papers and on the internet, and what I see on TV, my own 2 eyes tell me that things are much more dangerous now then they have been in a long time. I tend to walk a lot all over Manhattan, and drive to and from the outter boroughs. Including Brooklyn and Queens. Yes certain areas,BrookJersey Redmen post=440248 said:
especially in Brooklyn, are much safer then they were in 70s and 80s, but at the same time I'm seeing a lot of things that I did not see 15-20 years ago. So as I said previously, I don't want to set the bar at the worst of times in NYC, I want to set them at the best of times. As someone who has lived here my entire life, and who has seen the pendulum swing, right now it is swinging in the wrong direction.