Not popular, but Big Norm Roberts guy here
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Mahoney/Rutledge's recruiting was on fire:
First class:
Roshown McLeod - Top 50
James Scott - JUCO POY
Second class:
Felipe Lopez - No 1 recruit
Zendon Hamilton: Top 10
Tarik Turner: Top 50
Third class:
Lavor Postell: Top 50
Tyrone Grant: All-City, fan favorite
Ed Brown: ok, you got me.
Mike Mennifield: meh
The biggest problem was they never got a local top-flight PG like Kareem Reid, God Shammgod or Ed Cota that could've been a difference-maker over Tarik Turner and Mo Brown.
First class:
Roshown McLeod - Top 50
James Scott - JUCO POY
Second class:
Felipe Lopez - No 1 recruit
Zendon Hamilton: Top 10
Tarik Turner: Top 50
Third class:
Lavor Postell: Top 50
Tyrone Grant: All-City, fan favorite
Ed Brown: ok, you got me.
Mike Mennifield: meh
The biggest problem was they never got a local top-flight PG like Kareem Reid, God Shammgod or Ed Cota that could've been a difference-maker over Tarik Turner and Mo Brown.
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Main man great post , but you can’t knock Kareem Reid going to Arkansas they were coming off some great years under. Norman Richardson .. including 1994 championship …Tarik Turnover lived up to his nickname…he was a major disappointment…
Mahoney looking back at the recruiting classes listed had 5 future NBA players.. James Scott I think had a cup of coffee ..
Mahoney looking back at the recruiting classes listed had 5 future NBA players.. James Scott I think had a cup of coffee ..
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We had locals too like Tom Bayne and Fred Lyson.
Panther - were they tied to any of the local AAU programs ? How much did our former affiliations with Riverside and even Jarvis hiring one of the Riverside guys (Dermond Player) hurt our relations with other AAU programs locally?
Panther - were they tied to any of the local AAU programs ? How much did our former affiliations with Riverside and even Jarvis hiring one of the Riverside guys (Dermond Player) hurt our relations with other AAU programs locally?
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RealGoodNews
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To be fair, Norm didn't have much to sell when he took over the program.
Right. Also, he had the Terrible Mess that was hanging over the program.. A very small arena, and a small campus in a suburban area. He took the players no one wanted. Trained them. Fed them. Worked them out constantly and measured their progress. Made sure they did their coursework. Then he got them to obliterate nationally ranked teams. Golly, its nothing short of a miracle.
Right. Also, he had the Terrible Mess that was hanging over the program.. A very small arena, and a small campus in a suburban area. He took the players no one wanted. Trained them. Fed them. Worked them out constantly and measured their progress. Made sure they did their coursework. Then he got them to obliterate nationally ranked teams. Golly, its nothing short of a miracle.
richard A Steinfeld post=449040 said:
Maybe. He sure seemed like he lost complete control.
BUT when he had an elite PG (David Cain in 93), his team was very good.
I mean he was playing 2Gs Derek Brown and Lee Green at PG for long stretches because Tarik Turner and Mo Brown weren't getting it done. It was the biggest glaring hole on those teams.
RealGoodNews
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Coach Roberts inexplicably sat Hardy to start the second half.
You don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. Only Hardy and Coach know. Maybe he got a stern note from a professor about his studies. These were kids with no future who he rescued from the streets. Whatever Norm did worked, because the next year Hardy was a tornado in a woodshed.
You don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. Only Hardy and Coach know. Maybe he got a stern note from a professor about his studies. These were kids with no future who he rescued from the streets. Whatever Norm did worked, because the next year Hardy was a tornado in a woodshed.
RealGoodNews
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Welcome to the board, Norm's son.
I wish that was true. Norm is probably a great Dad. My father died in prison.
I wish that was true. Norm is probably a great Dad. My father died in prison.
After Lou retired Mahoney signed Rowan Barrett and Charles Minlend. They were the spring recruits when he first took over.MainMan post=449039 said:
Here is my tale:
1. Norm should never have been hired as rhe head men’s basketball coach at St. John’s.
2. Coming off of scandal St. John’s should have hired a head coach with D1 head coaching experience.
3. Don’t blame Norm for his hire but blame St. John’s President “Suits” Harrington who earlier that year had talked about “closing down the men’s basketball program”. Suits had fired more independent Coach Jarvis months before Norm was hired and it is believed Suits wanted a coach he could more easily control. The less experienced Norm was believe to be more obedient.
https://nypost.com/2004/02/08/harrington-clean-up-or-shut-it-down/
4. The St. John’s Administration paid Norm a cut rate salary and provided him with a below average budget with which to hire a staff and recruit which prevented him from hiring the experienced staff which other posters have referenced in this thread.
5. In Norm’s first semester as head men’s basketball coach St. John’s was put on NCAA probation for offenses which did not occur during his tenure. I am told that before he was hired Norm asked the St. John’s Administration about rumored NCAA probation and the Administrator assured Norm that there was nothing to worry about.
6. Don’t underestimate the negative effect which NCAA had on Norm’s recruiting during his early recruiting efforts.
7 . I was a big critic of Norm on this site but in hindsight I believe that the blame for his poor performance rests solely with the lame St. John’s University Administration. Norm was a good and decent man who lacked the head coaching experience needed, and never should have been hired.
1. Norm should never have been hired as rhe head men’s basketball coach at St. John’s.
2. Coming off of scandal St. John’s should have hired a head coach with D1 head coaching experience.
3. Don’t blame Norm for his hire but blame St. John’s President “Suits” Harrington who earlier that year had talked about “closing down the men’s basketball program”. Suits had fired more independent Coach Jarvis months before Norm was hired and it is believed Suits wanted a coach he could more easily control. The less experienced Norm was believe to be more obedient.
https://nypost.com/2004/02/08/harrington-clean-up-or-shut-it-down/
4. The St. John’s Administration paid Norm a cut rate salary and provided him with a below average budget with which to hire a staff and recruit which prevented him from hiring the experienced staff which other posters have referenced in this thread.
5. In Norm’s first semester as head men’s basketball coach St. John’s was put on NCAA probation for offenses which did not occur during his tenure. I am told that before he was hired Norm asked the St. John’s Administration about rumored NCAA probation and the Administrator assured Norm that there was nothing to worry about.
6. Don’t underestimate the negative effect which NCAA had on Norm’s recruiting during his early recruiting efforts.
7 . I was a big critic of Norm on this site but in hindsight I believe that the blame for his poor performance rests solely with the lame St. John’s University Administration. Norm was a good and decent man who lacked the head coaching experience needed, and never should have been hired.