Norm Roberts

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*** Norm was an awful coach, and had no business getting job in first place***

Having said that, by year 3 (after an even worse rebuild/program implosion), Norm was 16-15 and 7-9 in a more difficult big east. Norm cared. Norm tried hard. Norm had passion. Norm hired assistants who knew what they were doing. He was terrible at coaching, but he did more with less than Mullin did in his first 3 years.

Now crucify me.
 
[quote="Storm Tracker" post=278531]*** Norm was an awful coach, and had no business getting job in first place***

Having said that, by year 3 (after an even worse rebuild/program implosion), Norm was 16-15 and 7-9 in a more difficult big east. Norm cared. Norm tried hard. Norm had passion. Norm hired assistants who knew what they were doing. He was terrible at coaching, but he did more with less than Mullin did in his first 3 years.

Now crucify me.[/quote]

I agree completely, Mullin has been an utter failure. Just smiling and laughing after each BE loss piled up. Mich Richmond and St Jean do Nothing! Norm Roberts was a horrible coach, recruiter, and especially roster manager (benching Dwight Hardy for no reason) but he tried, got great effort from players, and above all he cared.

Honestly I'd rather have Norm roaming the sidelines than Mullin, and that says it all.
 
[quote="Redmen07" post=278540][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278531]*** Norm was an awful coach, and had no business getting job in first place***

Having said that, by year 3 (after an even worse rebuild/program implosion), Norm was 16-15 and 7-9 in a more difficult big east. Norm cared. Norm tried hard. Norm had passion. Norm hired assistants who knew what they were doing. He was terrible at coaching, but he did more with less than Mullin did in his first 3 years.

Now crucify me.[/quote]

I agree completely, Mullin has been an utter failure. Just smiling and laughing after each BE loss piled up. Mich Richmond and St Jean do Nothing! Norm Roberts was a horrible coach, recruiter, and especially roster manager (benching Dwight Hardy for no reason) but he tried, got great effort from players, and above all he cared.

Honestly I'd rather have Norm roaming the sidelines than Mullin, and that says it all.[/quote]

So you're saying that Mullin doesn't care and his players don't give great effort?
 
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I really wish people would stop saying Norm's name. If you say it 3 times in a row into a mirror he will appear and coach bad basketball until your eyes bleed out of your head.
 
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Every time I see him on the bench next to Self I get the same reaction Kramer had to Mary Hart's voice. I start to have a seizure and pass out. I missed the whole OT of Kansas / Duke game because of this.
 
[quote="SJU14" post=278542][quote="Redmen07" post=278540][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278531]*** Norm was an awful coach, and had no business getting job in first place***

Having said that, by year 3 (after an even worse rebuild/program implosion), Norm was 16-15 and 7-9 in a more difficult big east. Norm cared. Norm tried hard. Norm had passion. Norm hired assistants who knew what they were doing. He was terrible at coaching, but he did more with less than Mullin did in his first 3 years.

Now crucify me.[/quote]

I agree completely, Mullin has been an utter failure. Just smiling and laughing after each BE loss piled up. Mich Richmond and St Jean do Nothing! Norm Roberts was a horrible coach, recruiter, and especially roster manager (benching Dwight Hardy for no reason) but he tried, got great effort from players, and above all he cared.

Honestly I'd rather have Norm roaming the sidelines than Mullin, and that says it all.[/quote]

So you're saying that Mullin doesn't care and his players don't give great effort?[/quote]

I don’t think Mullin cares that much honestly. I see players trying very hard though.
 
[quote="Redmen07" post=278548][quote="SJU14" post=278542][quote="Redmen07" post=278540][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278531]*** Norm was an awful coach, and had no business getting job in first place***

Having said that, by year 3 (after an even worse rebuild/program implosion), Norm was 16-15 and 7-9 in a more difficult big east. Norm cared. Norm tried hard. Norm had passion. Norm hired assistants who knew what they were doing. He was terrible at coaching, but he did more with less than Mullin did in his first 3 years.

Now crucify me.[/quote]

I agree completely, Mullin has been an utter failure. Just smiling and laughing after each BE loss piled up. Mich Richmond and St Jean do Nothing! Norm Roberts was a horrible coach, recruiter, and especially roster manager (benching Dwight Hardy for no reason) but he tried, got great effort from players, and above all he cared.

Honestly I'd rather have Norm roaming the sidelines than Mullin, and that says it all.[/quote]

So you're saying that Mullin doesn't care and his players don't give great effort?[/quote]

I don’t think Mullin cares that much honestly. I see players trying very hard though.[/quote]

you wouldnt really know it from his body language.

i am pretty sure mitch richmond does not care AT ALL. why is the school paying him?
 
[quote="Storm Tracker" post=278551][quote="Redmen07" post=278548][quote="SJU14" post=278542][quote="Redmen07" post=278540][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278531]*** Norm was an awful coach, and had no business getting job in first place***

Having said that, by year 3 (after an even worse rebuild/program implosion), Norm was 16-15 and 7-9 in a more difficult big east. Norm cared. Norm tried hard. Norm had passion. Norm hired assistants who knew what they were doing. He was terrible at coaching, but he did more with less than Mullin did in his first 3 years.

Now crucify me.[/quote]

I agree completely, Mullin has been an utter failure. Just smiling and laughing after each BE loss piled up. Mich Richmond and St Jean do Nothing! Norm Roberts was a horrible coach, recruiter, and especially roster manager (benching Dwight Hardy for no reason) but he tried, got great effort from players, and above all he cared.

Honestly I'd rather have Norm roaming the sidelines than Mullin, and that says it all.[/quote]

So you're saying that Mullin doesn't care and his players don't give great effort?[/quote]

I don’t think Mullin cares that much honestly. I see players trying very hard though.[/quote]

you wouldnt really know it from his body language.

i am pretty sure mitch richmond does not care AT ALL. why is the school paying him?[/quote]

The only thing I've seen Mitch do the last 2 years is put his hands on his head in disgust after someone made a mistake.
 
SJU needs Pitino. I don't care if he hires hookers to recruit, pays players, sleeps with assistants wives, or if all his wins are vacated later on. Just win baby.
 
"Every time I see him on the bench next to Self I get the same reaction Kramer had to Mary Hart's voice. I start to have a seizure and pass out. I missed the whole OT of Kansas / Duke game because of this."

 
[quote="Redmen07" post=278555]SJU needs Pitino. I don't care if he hires hookers to recruit, pays players, sleeps with assistants wives, or if all his wins are vacated later on. Just win baby.[/quote]
Now you have undeniably reached the gold standard in trolling. Congratulations.
 
[quote="SJU14" post=278554][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278551][quote="Redmen07" post=278548][quote="SJU14" post=278542][quote="Redmen07" post=278540][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278531]*** Norm was an awful coach, and had no business getting job in first place***

Having said that, by year 3 (after an even worse rebuild/program implosion), Norm was 16-15 and 7-9 in a more difficult big east. Norm cared. Norm tried hard. Norm had passion. Norm hired assistants who knew what they were doing. He was terrible at coaching, but he did more with less than Mullin did in his first 3 years.

Now crucify me.[/quote]

I agree completely, Mullin has been an utter failure. Just smiling and laughing after each BE loss piled up. Mich Richmond and St Jean do Nothing! Norm Roberts was a horrible coach, recruiter, and especially roster manager (benching Dwight Hardy for no reason) but he tried, got great effort from players, and above all he cared.

Honestly I'd rather have Norm roaming the sidelines than Mullin, and that says it all.[/quote]

So you're saying that Mullin doesn't care and his players don't give great effort?[/quote]

I don’t think Mullin cares that much honestly. I see players trying very hard though.[/quote]

you wouldnt really know it from his body language.

i am pretty sure mitch richmond does not care AT ALL. why is the school paying him?[/quote]

The only thing I've seen Mitch do the last 2 years is put his hands on his head in disgust after someone made a mistake.[/quote]

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[quote="Storm Tracker" post=278531]*** Norm was an awful coach, and had no business getting job in first place***

Having said that, by year 3 (after an even worse rebuild/program implosion), Norm was 16-15 and 7-9 in a more difficult big east. Norm cared. Norm tried hard. Norm had passion. Norm hired assistants who knew what they were doing. He was terrible at coaching, but he did more with less than Mullin did in his first 3 years.

Now crucify me.[/quote]

How dare you?! Mullin was a great player 30 years ago. And he's...Mullin! Have I mentioned that he is Chris freakin...MULLIN?! It's Mullin! It's only year 64 man, give him 30 more and then judge him. He started with nothing, so spare him a century to get things in order!
 
[quote="we are sju" post=278543]I really wish people would stop saying Norm's name. If you say it 3 times in a row into a mirror he will appear and coach bad basketball until your eyes bleed out of your head.[/quote]

Whatever you think of Norm, and few of us think highly of him as SJU coach, he and Mahoney are Mullin's comp set right now. That's where he is. Not Louis of course, not Fran. Not even Jarvis or Lavin. Mahoney and Norm are where this staff is right now. And both Mahoney and Norm had more wins, more conference wins, and better winning percentages after 3 years.
 
You guys are nuts. Norm was awful and he wouldn't listen to advice. I blame Lovett for leaving. He could have played in January and we win 5 of those 11 loses and we go to the big dance
 
[quote="Redmen07" post=278555]SJU needs Pitino. I don't care if he hires hookers to recruit, pays players, sleeps with assistants wives, or if all his wins are vacated later on. Just win baby.[/quote]

I couldn't help but notice you have Bernie Fine in your avatar. I'm assuming you would volunteer your wife to "tutor" Pitino's players. I could see you exhorting her on her way to a session "JUST WIN BABY and remove your dentures".
 
Every St. John's coach since Coach Carnesecca has had a mixed tenure. I believe Coach Roberts was not different in that regard from any of the other five main coaches since Coach Carnesecca's retirement. Of course his on court record was really pretty poor. That said I would still say his tenure was mixed just like the others.

Here is a summary of each of the the six head coaches (excluding temporary head coaches like Clark and Dunlap) that have manned the helm at St. John's over the last 26 seasons.

1} Coach Mahoney did take one team to the round of 32 in the NCAA tournament. He brought in two prized recruits Felipe Lopez and Zendon Hamilton (the highest ranked recruits in St. John's history). He ultimately lost more than he won and mostly the program went downhill from his predecessor.

2) Coach Fraschilla helped to reestablish a winning culture, got the team back to the tournament and recruited some great players. He tried to parlay that into a better job for himself and failed. He ultimately showed bad judgement and was inappropriate with the players and that led to his early termination

3) Coach Jarvis was extremely successful at coaching coach Fraschilla's players. He made the elite eight his first year, won the Big East tournament and got to the round of 32 his second year, but never was as successful at bringing in talent as his predecessor. He made the dance one more time and won an NIT title mostly on the back of the brilliant Marcus Hatten. That said he damaged the program severely by alienating relationships with local coaches, bringing in players of questionable character and bringing about NCAA sanctions on the program for unethical practices. He was let go early in his final season and left the program in shambles.

4) Coach Roberts inherited a mess from Coach Jarvis and was charged with the task of restoring integrity and success to the program. He was highly successful at restoring the integrity of the program, always handled himself with class but was not close to building a winning team. In his six years as coach St. John's never finished higher than 10th in the conference and his teams never finished more than one game over five hundred in any season that he coached. He brought in no top tier recruits and his coaching acumen was far less than stellar. That said he left the program better off than he found it before he was hired.

5) Coach Lavin, like Coach Jarvis, was most successful in his first season coaching the previous coach's players. He followed that season by bringing in a stellar recruiting class that he coached for the remainder of his tenure. Unfortunately he was diagnosed with cancer during his second season (the class's first) and was never able to succeed at recruiting the same level of talent he had brought in with that top recruiting class. That said his team of top recruits improved over each of their four years and they finally made the tournament in their senior season. Coach Lavin definitely increased the national profile of the program (following the stagnant Norm Roberts years) but also his overall tenure was marked by some less than adequate Big East and postseason performances (see Robert Morris NIT). He was let go after the last of his stellar recruiting class finished their careers and left his successor with a fairly bare cupboard of players.

6) Coach Mullin started from scratch with very few returning players and no coaching experience. Not shockingly his initial season was one of the worst in St. John's history going 8-24 overall and 1-17 in conference. In his next two seasons he has brought in some talent, improved the team's performance, but has not been able to establish a winning program yet. His career is incomplete at this point and it will likely be defined by the success of his teams over the next couple of years.
 
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[quote="Storm Tracker" post=278531]*** Norm was an awful coach, and had no business getting job in first place***

Having said that, by year 3 (after an even worse rebuild/program implosion), Norm was 16-15 and 7-9 in a more difficult big east. Norm cared. Norm tried hard. Norm had passion. Norm hired assistants who knew what they were doing. He was terrible at coaching, but he did more with less than Mullin.
Now crucify me.[/quote]

Storm, I’m going to trust you on ‘...a worse rebuild / implosion....’ I don’t recall those early Norm days, but I do recall I cringed every year he was head coach.
“He hired assistants who knew what they were doing?”
Heh?!!?
That ‘view’ cannot be based on the record of the Norm years, for sure.
 
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