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Syracuse basketball struggles early with 5-4 start to season
By JOHN KEKIS AP Sports Writer Dec 12, 2019 Updated Dec 12, 2019
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Syracuse head coach Jim Boeheim reacts during the first half of an NCAA college basketball game against Penn State in the consolation round of the NIT Season Tip-Off tournament, Friday, Nov. 29, 2019, in New York.
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Syracuse guard Buddy Boeheim (35) drives against Oklahoma State guard Thomas Dziagwa (4) during the second half of an NCAA college semi final basketball game in the NIT Season Tip-Off tournament, Wednesday, Nov. 27, 2019, in New York. Oklahoma State won 86-72.
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Oklahoma State forward Yor Anei (14) goes to the basket past Syracuse forward Elijah Hughes (33) and guard Buddy Boeheim (35) during the second half of an NCAA college semi final basketball game in the NIT Season Tip-Off tournament, Wednesday, Nov. 27, 2019, in New York. Oklahoma State won 86-72.
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Syracuse head coach Jim Boeheim talks to forward Bourama Sidibe (34) during the second half of an NCAA college semi final basketball game against the Oklahoma State in the NIT Season Tip-Off tournament, Wednesday, Nov. 27, 2019, in New York. Oklahoma State won 86-72.
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UNDATED (AP) — Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim isn't used to this — nine games into the season his Orange are barely above .500.

With no seniors and five freshmen on the roster and apparent weaknesses on the floor, the Orange (5-4) were no match for defending national champion Virginia to open the season — a 48-34 loss, the fewest points for a Syracuse team in Boeheim's long tenure. Syracuse lost to Oklahoma State, Penn State and Iowa in a recent seven-day span, each by double digits.

That gave Boeheim the worst start (4-4) since he took over the program in 1976. The team beat Georgia Tech on Saturday.


“Obviously, our young guys just aren’t ready yet for top-50 teams," Boeheim said. “The four teams that we lost to are just bigger, stronger, and better than we are. It’s not like we’re playing teams that we should beat. The way we’re playing and the way those teams are constructed with upper-class guys, they’re just better than we are right now. It’s obvious to me that we can play a little better.

“It’s tough to lose two or three games in a row anytime, but you just have to keep playing. I think we will improve."

On the season, the Orange's zone defense has been decent despite the use of four freshmen in almost every game. Syracuse ranks 68th in scoring defense (63.3 points per game) and is holding opponents to 28.2% on 3-pointers. Offensively, the Orange are averaging 72.1 points, 16.9 assists and 13.4 turnovers.

A glaring weakness has been on the glass — Syracuse has a rebounding margin of minus-0.7 — and that's limited the preseason goal of scoring more in transition. Starting center Bourama Sidibe, a 6-foot-10 junior who's been hampered by injuries his entire career at Syracuse, is averaging 6.8 rebounds, 245th nationally. That's just ahead of 6-10 forward Marek Dolezaj (5.8), who at 185 pounds can't cope too well inside against players like Penn State's Mike Watkins, a double-double machine at 6-9 and 257 pounds. Watkins had 15 points and 16 rebounds in an 85-64 victory over the Orange in the NIT Season Tipoff in Brooklyn as the Nittany Lions outrebounded Syracuse 57-28.
 
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[quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=367618]Syracuse basketball struggles early with 5-4 start to season
By JOHN KEKIS AP Sports Writer Dec 12, 2019 Updated Dec 12, 2019
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Syracuse basketball struggles early with 5-4 start to season
Syracuse head coach Jim Boeheim reacts during the first half of an NCAA college basketball game against Penn State in the consolation round of the NIT Season Tip-Off tournament, Friday, Nov. 29, 2019, in New York.
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Syracuse basketball struggles early with 5-4 start to season
Syracuse guard Buddy Boeheim (35) drives against Oklahoma State guard Thomas Dziagwa (4) during the second half of an NCAA college semi final basketball game in the NIT Season Tip-Off tournament, Wednesday, Nov. 27, 2019, in New York. Oklahoma State won 86-72.
Mary Altaffer
Syracuse basketball struggles early with 5-4 start to season
Oklahoma State forward Yor Anei (14) goes to the basket past Syracuse forward Elijah Hughes (33) and guard Buddy Boeheim (35) during the second half of an NCAA college semi final basketball game in the NIT Season Tip-Off tournament, Wednesday, Nov. 27, 2019, in New York. Oklahoma State won 86-72.
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Syracuse basketball struggles early with 5-4 start to season
Syracuse head coach Jim Boeheim talks to forward Bourama Sidibe (34) during the second half of an NCAA college semi final basketball game against the Oklahoma State in the NIT Season Tip-Off tournament, Wednesday, Nov. 27, 2019, in New York. Oklahoma State won 86-72.
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UNDATED (AP) — Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim isn't used to this — nine games into the season his Orange are barely above .500.

With no seniors and five freshmen on the roster and apparent weaknesses on the floor, the Orange (5-4) were no match for defending national champion Virginia to open the season — a 48-34 loss, the fewest points for a Syracuse team in Boeheim's long tenure. Syracuse lost to Oklahoma State, Penn State and Iowa in a recent seven-day span, each by double digits.

That gave Boeheim the worst start (4-4) since he took over the program in 1976. The team beat Georgia Tech on Saturday.


“Obviously, our young guys just aren’t ready yet for top-50 teams," Boeheim said. “The four teams that we lost to are just bigger, stronger, and better than we are. It’s not like we’re playing teams that we should beat. The way we’re playing and the way those teams are constructed with upper-class guys, they’re just better than we are right now. It’s obvious to me that we can play a little better.

“It’s tough to lose two or three games in a row anytime, but you just have to keep playing. I think we will improve."

On the season, the Orange's zone defense has been decent despite the use of four freshmen in almost every game. Syracuse ranks 68th in scoring defense (63.3 points per game) and is holding opponents to 28.2% on 3-pointers. Offensively, the Orange are averaging 72.1 points, 16.9 assists and 13.4 turnovers.

A glaring weakness has been on the glass — Syracuse has a rebounding margin of minus-0.7 — and that's limited the preseason goal of scoring more in transition. Starting center Bourama Sidibe, a 6-foot-10 junior who's been hampered by injuries his entire career at Syracuse, is averaging 6.8 rebounds, 245th nationally. That's just ahead of 6-10 forward Marek Dolezaj (5.8), who at 185 pounds can't cope too well inside against players like Penn State's Mike Watkins, a double-double machine at 6-9 and 257 pounds. Watkins had 15 points and 16 rebounds in an 85-64 victory over the Orange in the NIT Season Tipoff in Brooklyn as the Nittany Lions outrebounded Syracuse 57-28.[/quote]

Even funnier is that Cuse just had commercial on twitter for reviving their old 80’s throwback jerseys for the Georgetown game. Trying to conjure nostalgia because they have lost all buzz and rivalries is pretty sad honestly... the longing for the good ole days won’t stop here. Boeheim is a lame duck.
 
I was watching a Syracuse game earlier this year and the announcer (I can’t remember who) say this is the least talented Syracuse team he could ever remember seeing. I cried myself to sleep.

Ok they were tears of laughter.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=367633]I was watching a Syracuse game earlier this year and the announcer (I can’t remember who) say this is the least talented Syracuse team he could ever remember seeing. I cried myself to sleep.

Ok they were tears of laughter.[/quote]

Fwiw, along that line. I remember many lamenting losing Joe Girard. I don’t think we missed out. He’s extremely slow and has a difficult time getting by anybody. He’s really not a Pg either, but too small and slow to get his own shot as a SG. Not sure he’s cut out for starting level player at this level.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=367636][quote="sjc88" post=367633]I was watching a Syracuse game earlier this year and the announcer (I can’t remember who) say this is the least talented Syracuse team he could ever remember seeing. I cried myself to sleep.

Ok they were tears of laughter.[/quote]

Fwiw, along that line. I remember many lamenting losing Joe Girard. I don’t think we missed out. He’s extremely slow and has a difficult time getting by anybody. He’s really not a Pg either, but too small and slow to get his own shot as a SG. Not sure he’s cut out for starting level player at this level.[/quote]

I think some here that liked Joe Girard were friends of his family or something like that. I don’t blame people for that, they are just excited. Local kid they believe in. I think he was scoring a ton in HS against very limited comp. Maybe he does turn out to be a good player yet so who knows. I won’t cheer against him. But I really don’t like Syracuse.
 
I haven't done a deep dive (ie. including transfers or JUCOs) but the recruiting classes for Cuse haven't been world beaters. It's not a surprise they are a middling program at the moment. They are basically 100-200 level recruits no McD's AA, etc. It goes to show even with elite coaching you still need some talent on the roster to win.

2017 - 37th, no top 100
2018 - 43rd, one top 100
2019 - 33rd, one top 100
2020 - currently 43rd, two top 100
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=367636][quote="sjc88" post=367633]I was watching a Syracuse game earlier this year and the announcer (I can’t remember who) say this is the least talented Syracuse team he could ever remember seeing. I cried myself to sleep.

Ok they were tears of laughter.[/quote]

Fwiw, along that line. I remember many lamenting losing Joe Girard. I don’t think we missed out. He’s extremely slow and has a difficult time getting by anybody. He’s really not a Pg either, but too small and slow to get his own shot as a SG. Not sure he’s cut out for starting level player at this level.[/quote]

5 assists as a freshmen on a team that struggles to score.
 
Moving to the ACC hasn’t exactly done wonders for Syracuse, Pitt, ND, BC has it ? Not only have they struggled in BB but , the ACC with the exception of Clemson is a weak FB league . ND plays a limited ACC FB schedule because they can dictate to the League . I never considered L’ville, Cinn, Va Tech, as good fits for the BE during their relatively brief tenure in the League . Marquette , DePaul , Butler, Creighton , Xavier are better additions . I wasn’t a fan of UConn getting readmitted and we will see if it improves the BE . My jury is still out on that . UConn got away with a lot of Recruiting crap during the Calhoun era and were usually the most despised team , knocking G’Town from that pedestal . Boeheim isn’t getting the talent he use to get and his Zone D requires the long and athletic player . Plus he usually got a dead eye 3 point shooter .
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=367666][quote="MCNPA" post=367636][quote="sjc88" post=367633]I was watching a Syracuse game earlier this year and the announcer (I can’t remember who) say this is the least talented Syracuse team he could ever remember seeing. I cried myself to sleep.

Ok they were tears of laughter.[/quote]

Fwiw, along that line. I remember many lamenting losing Joe Girard. I don’t think we missed out. He’s extremely slow and has a difficult time getting by anybody. He’s really not a Pg either, but too small and slow to get his own shot as a SG. Not sure he’s cut out for starting level player at this level.[/quote]

5 assists as a freshmen on a team that struggles to score.[/quote]

I’m not saying he’s awful, but wasn’t real impressed. His lack of speed gonna be difficult for him at this level.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=367670][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=367666][quote="MCNPA" post=367636][quote="sjc88" post=367633]I was watching a Syracuse game earlier this year and the announcer (I can’t remember who) say this is the least talented Syracuse team he could ever remember seeing. I cried myself to sleep.

Ok they were tears of laughter.[/quote]

Fwiw, along that line. I remember many lamenting losing Joe Girard. I don’t think we missed out. He’s extremely slow and has a difficult time getting by anybody. He’s really not a Pg either, but too small and slow to get his own shot as a SG. Not sure he’s cut out for starting level player at this level.[/quote]

5 assists as a freshmen on a team that struggles to score.[/quote]

I’m not saying he’s awful, but wasn’t real impressed. His lack of speed gonna be difficult for him at this level.[/quote]

Damn Syracuse is GARBAGE 5-5. They used to be great when in the B.E.
They and other former B.E. schools left for the almighty dollar and how has it turned out for them, except for a few?
Rot in hell you SOBs
 
I think most of us who wanted him knew lack of speed would mean that he would have to outwork everyone. He's in the right system to mask him on D, and he's already averaging close to 10 ppg. And he's a four-year player, so that will probably go up.
 
[quote="Tom H O'Toole" post=367710][quote="MCNPA" post=367670][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=367666][quote="MCNPA" post=367636][quote="sjc88" post=367633]I was watching a Syracuse game earlier this year and the announcer (I can’t remember who) say this is the least talented Syracuse team he could ever remember seeing. I cried myself to sleep.

Ok they were tears of laughter.[/quote]

Fwiw, along that line. I remember many lamenting losing Joe Girard. I don’t think we missed out. He’s extremely slow and has a difficult time getting by anybody. He’s really not a Pg either, but too small and slow to get his own shot as a SG. Not sure he’s cut out for starting level player at this level.[/quote]

5 assists as a freshmen on a team that struggles to score.[/quote]

I’m not saying he’s awful, but wasn’t real impressed. His lack of speed gonna be difficult for him at this level.[/quote]

Damn Syracuse is GARBAGE 5-5. They used to be great when in the B.E.
They and other former B.E. schools left for the almighty dollar and how has it turned out for them, except for a few?
Rot in hell you SOBs[/quote]

Tom, I think that is too harsh. And very un-Christian like. And I think it is not in the spirit of healthy respect for other programs.

And I agree 100%! :cheer:
 
[quote="L J S A" post=367720]I think most of us who wanted him knew lack of speed would mean that he would have to outwork everyone. He's in the right system to mask him on D, and he's already averaging close to 10 ppg. And he's a four-year player, so that will probably go up.[/quote]

Let’s be honest we would be thrilled if we had Girard and 10 points per game for a freshman pg is great. They also have a 6 7 wing freshman from Montreal who transferred in last Christmas and sat out the spring semester. Quincy like Joe Girard will be a very good collegiate player sooner than later. I won’t write Syracuse off so quickly.
 
[quote="Tom H O'Toole" post=367710]
Damn Syracuse is GARBAGE 5-5. They used to be great when in the B.E.
They and other former B.E. schools left for the almighty dollar and how has it turned out for them, except for a few?
Rot in hell you SOBs[/quote]

Why such hate for Syracuse? Can't be because they are 5-5...
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=367737][quote="Tom H O'Toole" post=367710]
Damn Syracuse is GARBAGE 5-5. They used to be great when in the B.E.
They and other former B.E. schools left for the almighty dollar and how has it turned out for them, except for a few?
Rot in hell you SOBs[/quote]

Why such hate for Syracuse? Can't be because they are 5-5...[/quote]

lol you know
 
[quote="Tom H O'Toole" post=367743][quote="SJUFAN2" post=367737][quote="Tom H O'Toole" post=367710]
Damn Syracuse is GARBAGE 5-5. They used to be great when in the B.E.
They and other former B.E. schools left for the almighty dollar and how has it turned out for them, except for a few?
Rot in hell you SOBs[/quote]

Why such hate for Syracuse? Can't be because they are 5-5...[/quote]

lol you know[/quote]

You are a complicated guy Tom. I'm trying not to make any assumptions on why you hate them so much.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=367789][quote="Tom H O'Toole" post=367743][quote="SJUFAN2" post=367737][quote="Tom H O'Toole" post=367710]
Damn Syracuse is GARBAGE 5-5. They used to be great when in the B.E.
They and other former B.E. schools left for the almighty dollar and how has it turned out for them, except for a few?
Rot in hell you SOBs[/quote]

Why such hate for Syracuse? Can't be because they are 5-5...[/quote]

lol you know[/quote]

You are a complicated guy Tom. I'm trying not to make any assumptions on why you hate them so much.[/quote]

It's simple FAN2, I just do, it's that simple.
Nothing else to explain.
 
There is no team I ate more than cuse. Will never have sympathy. Ik it's an unpopular opinion but I think Boeheim is one of the most overrated coaches.
 
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