redfan259999888
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Just get me to Friday.
Is there any other 9th place team with 3 top 5 wins in the country?
Is there any other 9th place team with 3 top 5 wins in the country?
NIT Bracketology - St John's In
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Not only are there no ninth place teams with three wins vs top five teams but there may not be any other team in the country. Have to beat Geo and Xav.
[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=275214]Just get me to Friday.
Is there any other 9th place team with 3 top 5 wins in the country?[/quote]
Nice OSR
And, of course, could have very easily had a 4th with Xavier!
When we play tough, we play TOUGH!
Is there any other 9th place team with 3 top 5 wins in the country?[/quote]
Nice OSR
And, of course, could have very easily had a 4th with Xavier!
When we play tough, we play TOUGH!
JohnnyFever
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Surprised to learn that we "need" a win here just to be "considered" for the NIT. There are lots of mid majors in this tournament. We would be one of the bigger names in the tournament. All the major analysts know our story this year...ugly Big East record but they know how good the conference is and how we turned it around late winning 2 games against top 4 teams. No one else in the NIT did. To have to win 3 top 4 games just to be considered? That's hard to believe. Are they really going to deny us because we are 1 measly game under .500 overall knowing our signature wins? We didn't just beat 2 top 25 teams, we beat 2 legitimate title contenders. Again, hope we win and pretty much guarantee getting in, but I think we 100% deserve an NIT bid even if it's a bad seed. It would definitely salvage part of the season to see our guys in the postseason.
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=275611]Surprised to learn that we "need" a win here just to be "considered" for the NIT. There are lots of mid majors in this tournament. We would be one of the bigger names in the tournament. All the major analysts know our story this year...ugly Big East record but they know how good the conference is and how we turned it around late winning 2 games against top 4 teams. No one else in the NIT did. To have to win 3 top 4 games just to be considered? That's hard to believe. Are they really going to deny us because we are 1 measly game under .500 overall knowing our signature wins? We didn't just beat 2 top 25 teams, we beat 2 legitimate title contenders. Again, hope we win and pretty much guarantee getting in, but I think we 100% deserve an NIT bid even if it's a bad seed. It would definitely salvage part of the season to see our guys in the postseason.[/quote]
I believe the writer is stating as much, since no team under .500 has made the NIT. We'd obviously be a unique case. He is by no means an expert.
For example, he has teams with worse RPI and SOS in his bracket, so I'd say we still have hope.
I believe the writer is stating as much, since no team under .500 has made the NIT. We'd obviously be a unique case. He is by no means an expert.
For example, he has teams with worse RPI and SOS in his bracket, so I'd say we still have hope.
L J S A
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[quote="Room112" post=275591]This is from the guy who runs the site I posted in the original link. A lot at stake today.
John Templon
@nybuckets
St. John's 1 win away from serious NIT consideration.
11:50 PM - Mar 7, 2018[/quote]
He knows about the Molloy game, right? Because I'm sure the committee does.
John Templon
@nybuckets
St. John's 1 win away from serious NIT consideration.
11:50 PM - Mar 7, 2018[/quote]
He knows about the Molloy game, right? Because I'm sure the committee does.
JohnnyFever
Active member
[quote="L J S A" post=275616][quote="Room112" post=275591]This is from the guy who runs the site I posted in the original link. A lot at stake today.
John Templon
@nybuckets
St. John's 1 win away from serious NIT consideration.
11:50 PM - Mar 7, 2018[/quote]
He knows about the Molloy game, right? Because I'm sure the committee does.[/quote]
Apologize for posting this somewhere else, but have never heard an answer to this: if it's true that a win doesn't count against Molloy, then why would we ever schedule them? We would literally be in a no-win situation. You either lose and get embarrassed or you win and oops, doesn't count. I think I remember hearing we had someone else scheduled then they canceled late so we scrambled and got Molloy. If that's the case, I have a hard time believing a D1 low or mid major program wouldn't add us to their schedule instead.
John Templon
@nybuckets
St. John's 1 win away from serious NIT consideration.
11:50 PM - Mar 7, 2018[/quote]
He knows about the Molloy game, right? Because I'm sure the committee does.[/quote]
Apologize for posting this somewhere else, but have never heard an answer to this: if it's true that a win doesn't count against Molloy, then why would we ever schedule them? We would literally be in a no-win situation. You either lose and get embarrassed or you win and oops, doesn't count. I think I remember hearing we had someone else scheduled then they canceled late so we scrambled and got Molloy. If that's the case, I have a hard time believing a D1 low or mid major program wouldn't add us to their schedule instead.
L J S A
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=275619][quote="L J S A" post=275616][quote="Room112" post=275591]This is from the guy who runs the site I posted in the original link. A lot at stake today.
John Templon
@nybuckets
St. John's 1 win away from serious NIT consideration.
11:50 PM - Mar 7, 2018[/quote]
He knows about the Molloy game, right? Because I'm sure the committee does.[/quote]
if it's true that a win doesn't count against Molloy, then why would we ever schedule them? We would literally be in a no-win situation. You either lose and get embarrassed or you win and oops, doesn't count.[/quote]
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they figured with Wilson and Lovett here, we'd be at 23 or so wins and sweating out a D-II game wouldn't be an issue.
I suppose if any sub-.500 team is ever going to make the NIT, it should be St. John's, given its historical role in the tournament. I still have serious doubts despite the Duke and Villanova wins, but looking forward to a heaping plate of crow if we make it.
John Templon
@nybuckets
St. John's 1 win away from serious NIT consideration.
11:50 PM - Mar 7, 2018[/quote]
He knows about the Molloy game, right? Because I'm sure the committee does.[/quote]
if it's true that a win doesn't count against Molloy, then why would we ever schedule them? We would literally be in a no-win situation. You either lose and get embarrassed or you win and oops, doesn't count.[/quote]
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they figured with Wilson and Lovett here, we'd be at 23 or so wins and sweating out a D-II game wouldn't be an issue.
I suppose if any sub-.500 team is ever going to make the NIT, it should be St. John's, given its historical role in the tournament. I still have serious doubts despite the Duke and Villanova wins, but looking forward to a heaping plate of crow if we make it.
What you have a hard time believing is immaterial. It is what it is. Team only had to improve by 3 games from last year to get above .500 this year. Couldn't do it (unless they win today AND tomorrow). Doesn't help that they were 3 games worse in conference.
[quote="L J S A" post=275667][quote="Mike Zaun" post=275619][quote="L J S A" post=275616][quote="Room112" post=275591]This is from the guy who runs the site I posted in the original link. A lot at stake today.
John Templon
@nybuckets
St. John's 1 win away from serious NIT consideration.
11:50 PM - Mar 7, 2018[/quote]
He knows about the Molloy game, right? Because I'm sure the committee does.[/quote]
if it's true that a win doesn't count against Molloy, then why would we ever schedule them? We would literally be in a no-win situation. You either lose and get embarrassed or you win and oops, doesn't count.[/quote]
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they figured with Wilson and Lovett here, we'd be at 23 or so wins and sweating out a D-II game wouldn't be an issue.
I suppose if any sub-.500 team is ever going to make the NIT, it should be St. John's, given its historical role in the tournament. I still have serious doubts despite the Duke and Villanova wins, but looking forward to a heaping plate of crow if we make it.[/quote]
It was discussed here why we scheduled Molloy. We had that early season tournament with 3 games in 3 days, and then we had a long layoff until the next game. We essentially just scheduled that game to keep us fresh, I believe that's all we were able to get. It was probably added late.
John Templon
@nybuckets
St. John's 1 win away from serious NIT consideration.
11:50 PM - Mar 7, 2018[/quote]
He knows about the Molloy game, right? Because I'm sure the committee does.[/quote]
if it's true that a win doesn't count against Molloy, then why would we ever schedule them? We would literally be in a no-win situation. You either lose and get embarrassed or you win and oops, doesn't count.[/quote]
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they figured with Wilson and Lovett here, we'd be at 23 or so wins and sweating out a D-II game wouldn't be an issue.
I suppose if any sub-.500 team is ever going to make the NIT, it should be St. John's, given its historical role in the tournament. I still have serious doubts despite the Duke and Villanova wins, but looking forward to a heaping plate of crow if we make it.[/quote]
It was discussed here why we scheduled Molloy. We had that early season tournament with 3 games in 3 days, and then we had a long layoff until the next game. We essentially just scheduled that game to keep us fresh, I believe that's all we were able to get. It was probably added late.
Call me crazy, but I still think we have an outside shot at the NIT. It will all depend on whether the committee wants to break trend and allow a team with a sub .500 record in, and manage to overlook our horrible in conference record. What we do have going for us is our RPI should be high enough, our SOS is among the best, we have the best combination of wins in the nation with Duke and Nova, and we finished the season strong.
If you look at the NIT Bracketology, we actually have a better resume from that standpoint than the lower seeded teams. So, it will all come down to if the committee is willing to buck the trend.
In my heart, I know it's not going to happen, but what do you have if you don't have hope.
If you look at the NIT Bracketology, we actually have a better resume from that standpoint than the lower seeded teams. So, it will all come down to if the committee is willing to buck the trend.
In my heart, I know it's not going to happen, but what do you have if you don't have hope.
[quote="Room112" post=276086]
In my heart, I know it's not going to happen, but what do you have if you don't have hope.[/quote]
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In my heart, I know it's not going to happen, but what do you have if you don't have hope.[/quote]
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ManhattAn1
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[quote="Room112" post=275677][quote="L J S A" post=275667][quote="Mike Zaun" post=275619][quote="L J S A" post=275616][quote="Room112" post=275591]This is from the guy who runs the site I posted in the original link. A lot at stake today.
John Templon
@nybuckets
St. John's 1 win away from serious NIT consideration.
11:50 PM - Mar 7, 2018[/quote]
He knows about the Molloy game, right? Because I'm sure the committee does.[/quote]
if it's true that a win doesn't count against Molloy, then why would we ever schedule them? We would literally be in a no-win situation. You either lose and get embarrassed or you win and oops, doesn't count.[/quote]
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they figured with Wilson and Lovett here, we'd be at 23 or so wins and sweating out a D-II game wouldn't be an issue.
I suppose if any sub-.500 team is ever going to make the NIT, it should be St. John's, given its historical role in the tournament. I still have serious doubts despite the Duke and Villanova wins, but looking forward to a heaping plate of crow if we make it.[/quote]
It was discussed here why we scheduled Molloy. We had that early season tournament with 3 games in 3 days, and then we had a long layoff until the next game. We essentially just scheduled that game to keep us fresh, I believe that's all we were able to get. It was probably added late.[/quote]
I heard a team we were suppose to play backed out last minute and we had to scramble as everyone was booked.
John Templon
@nybuckets
St. John's 1 win away from serious NIT consideration.
11:50 PM - Mar 7, 2018[/quote]
He knows about the Molloy game, right? Because I'm sure the committee does.[/quote]
if it's true that a win doesn't count against Molloy, then why would we ever schedule them? We would literally be in a no-win situation. You either lose and get embarrassed or you win and oops, doesn't count.[/quote]
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they figured with Wilson and Lovett here, we'd be at 23 or so wins and sweating out a D-II game wouldn't be an issue.
I suppose if any sub-.500 team is ever going to make the NIT, it should be St. John's, given its historical role in the tournament. I still have serious doubts despite the Duke and Villanova wins, but looking forward to a heaping plate of crow if we make it.[/quote]
It was discussed here why we scheduled Molloy. We had that early season tournament with 3 games in 3 days, and then we had a long layoff until the next game. We essentially just scheduled that game to keep us fresh, I believe that's all we were able to get. It was probably added late.[/quote]
I heard a team we were suppose to play backed out last minute and we had to scramble as everyone was booked.
[quote="Room112" post=276086]Call me crazy, but I still think we have an outside shot at the NIT. It will all depend on whether the committee wants to break trend and allow a team with a sub .500 record in, and manage to overlook our horrible in conference record. What we do have going for us is our RPI should be high enough, our SOS is among the best, we have the best combination of wins in the nation with Duke and Nova, and we finished the season strong.
If you look at the NIT Bracketology, we actually have a better resume from that standpoint than the lower seeded teams. So, it will all come down to if the committee is willing to buck the trend.
In my heart, I know it's not going to happen, but what do you have if you don't have hope.[/quote]
Are we not fortunate to have a coach in Chris Mullin who makes no excuses - as when he said that's what a ninth place team gets as far as an unfavorable seeding in the BE Tournament - and I doubt CM will make any excuses if we do not get an NIT invite -
Would be nice to play some more but WILL be nice just to see our success of 2018-19
If you look at the NIT Bracketology, we actually have a better resume from that standpoint than the lower seeded teams. So, it will all come down to if the committee is willing to buck the trend.
In my heart, I know it's not going to happen, but what do you have if you don't have hope.[/quote]
Are we not fortunate to have a coach in Chris Mullin who makes no excuses - as when he said that's what a ninth place team gets as far as an unfavorable seeding in the BE Tournament - and I doubt CM will make any excuses if we do not get an NIT invite -
Would be nice to play some more but WILL be nice just to see our success of 2018-19
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beast of the east
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I just have this sneaking suspicion we are in. The mid majors with weak schedules would get whipped in our league and could not even be on the same court as nova and duke no less beat them.
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[quote="redken" post=276363][quote="Paul Massell" post=276361]Syracuse / St. John's would be nice considering they ducked us this year![/quote]
I'd rather not play them and keep our three-game winning streak alive ... especially with our undermanned team. Let it keep eating at them.[/quote]
You gotta know that if we match up with them prior to the semis it'll be in the dome.
I'd rather not play them and keep our three-game winning streak alive ... especially with our undermanned team. Let it keep eating at them.[/quote]
You gotta know that if we match up with them prior to the semis it'll be in the dome.