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[Avon Barksdale]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

Well put. I don't want to take away anything from the players on the court...I love the energy we've been seeing, and the emergence of Dom and Jordan. I would love to see this team not only make the tournament, but win at least one game. They deserve that feeling of accomplishment. Lav's body of work has not assured him of anything. His top accomplishments are a few scattered win streaks like the one we are in now. Our current win streak includes Xavier, Depaul, Seton Hall and Creighton. Last years Feb win streak included similar teams, but with one marquee win against #12 Creighton. One Big East Tournament Win, One NIT win, in four years. That's his 2 million a year resume. That's simply not good enough.

Dont chalk him up as nothing either. 1 tourney, 2 nits in 4 years at school who hasnt done anything worth mention for 10+years.

In the five years Lavin has been here we have won 11 games against this group of schools;
Cuse, Duke, nova, gtown, uconn, marquette

In the five years previous to lavin we had 5 combined wins.

Trust me im far from a lavin lover but he hasn't failed here imo. Due to his instant success, the expectations just rose too high. This group he has had now has improved their record every year. Maybe the volatile feel of the program was more a function of starting from scratch and maybe this next cycle will improve.

Gets to the tourney this year then no way he gets canned.

At the end of the day, the people who are paying him are the ultimately the ones who decide if he has succeeded or failed here. I have said all along, and I continue to say, that he should neither be fired nor extended this year, regardless of what happens. Lets see how we finish out the year and what kind of team he puts on the floor next year. There's really no need to rush that decision at this point. But for cryin out loud can we please stop comparing Lavin's tenure here to that of his predecessor? Norm is not the gage by which most reasonable SJU fans wish to judge Lavin. Only the apologists wish to do that.

I have to say that saying that we should not compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Who do you want to compare Lavin's tenure to? Coach K? Jim Calhoun? Jimmy Boeheim? Of course it's fair to compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's! For all the obvious reasons. They both coached here is the most blatant one. It's only the Lavin haters who do not want to do that, because when you do compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's the differences are glaring. And in Lavin's favor.

Compare t to Jarvis' tenure too then:

Jarvis in five seasons:
1 Big East Championship, 1 Elite 8, 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT Championship
6-4 in BE Tourney
4-3 in NCAAs
5-0 in NIT
Total Postseason Record: 15-7

Lavin in almost five seasons:
ZERO Big East Titles, 1 NCAA Tournament, 2 NITS
1-4 in BE Tourney
1-2 in NIT
0-1 NCAAs
Total Postseason Record: 2-7

Only bringing up Jarvis because he was run out of town with a resume much better than "Lav" has amassed

You can all continue your mob mentality and start attacking me now.

 

[Knight]

I would take Lavin anyday over Jarvis. Please revisit the Jarvis resume and adjust for forfeits.

 

[TonyinFairfield]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

Well put. I don't want to take away anything from the players on the court...I love the energy we've been seeing, and the emergence of Dom and Jordan. I would love to see this team not only make the tournament, but win at least one game. They deserve that feeling of accomplishment. Lav's body of work has not assured him of anything. His top accomplishments are a few scattered win streaks like the one we are in now. Our current win streak includes Xavier, Depaul, Seton Hall and Creighton. Last years Feb win streak included similar teams, but with one marquee win against #12 Creighton. One Big East Tournament Win, One NIT win, in four years. That's his 2 million a year resume. That's simply not good enough.

Dont chalk him up as nothing either. 1 tourney, 2 nits in 4 years at school who hasnt done anything worth mention for 10+years.

In the five years Lavin has been here we have won 11 games against this group of schools;
Cuse, Duke, nova, gtown, uconn, marquette

In the five years previous to lavin we had 5 combined wins.

Trust me im far from a lavin lover but he hasn't failed here imo. Due to his instant success, the expectations just rose too high. This group he has had now has improved their record every year. Maybe the volatile feel of the program was more a function of starting from scratch and maybe this next cycle will improve.

Gets to the tourney this year then no way he gets canned.

At the end of the day, the people who are paying him are the ultimately the ones who decide if he has succeeded or failed here. I have said all along, and I continue to say, that he should neither be fired nor extended this year, regardless of what happens. Lets see how we finish out the year and what kind of team he puts on the floor next year. There's really no need to rush that decision at this point. But for cryin out loud can we please stop comparing Lavin's tenure here to that of his predecessor? Norm is not the gage by which most reasonable SJU fans wish to judge Lavin. Only the apologists wish to do that.

I have to say that saying that we should not compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Who do you want to compare Lavin's tenure to? Coach K? Jim Calhoun? Jimmy Boeheim? Of course it's fair to compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's! For all the obvious reasons. They both coached here is the most blatant one. It's only the Lavin haters who do not want to do that, because when you do compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's the differences are glaring. And in Lavin's favor.

Compare t to Jarvis' tenure too then:

Jarvis in five seasons:
1 Big East Championship, 1 Elite 8, 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT Championship
6-4 in BE Tourney
4-3 in NCAAs
5-0 in NIT
Total Postseason Record: 15-7

Lavin in almost five seasons:
ZERO Big East Titles, 1 NCAA Tournament, 2 NITS
1-4 in BE Tourney
1-2 in NIT
0-1 NCAAs
Total Postseason Record: 2-7

Only bringing up Jarvis because he was run out of town with a resume much better than "Lav" has amassed

You can all continue your mob mentality and start attacking me now.

Wow. Personal attack, eh? And mob mentality attacking you? Pot, kettle.

Second, Jarvis' numbers go right out the window due to the irreparable harm he did to the program in terms of our reputation.

Finally, see Knight's post. You forgot to take into account the forfeits Jarvis incurred because of his lack of control.

 

[monte]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

Well put. I don't want to take away anything from the players on the court...I love the energy we've been seeing, and the emergence of Dom and Jordan. I would love to see this team not only make the tournament, but win at least one game. They deserve that feeling of accomplishment. Lav's body of work has not assured him of anything. His top accomplishments are a few scattered win streaks like the one we are in now. Our current win streak includes Xavier, Depaul, Seton Hall and Creighton. Last years Feb win streak included similar teams, but with one marquee win against #12 Creighton. One Big East Tournament Win, One NIT win, in four years. That's his 2 million a year resume. That's simply not good enough.

Dont chalk him up as nothing either. 1 tourney, 2 nits in 4 years at school who hasnt done anything worth mention for 10+years.

In the five years Lavin has been here we have won 11 games against this group of schools;
Cuse, Duke, nova, gtown, uconn, marquette

In the five years previous to lavin we had 5 combined wins.

Trust me im far from a lavin lover but he hasn't failed here imo. Due to his instant success, the expectations just rose too high. This group he has had now has improved their record every year. Maybe the volatile feel of the program was more a function of starting from scratch and maybe this next cycle will improve.

Gets to the tourney this year then no way he gets canned.

At the end of the day, the people who are paying him are the ultimately the ones who decide if he has succeeded or failed here. I have said all along, and I continue to say, that he should neither be fired nor extended this year, regardless of what happens. Lets see how we finish out the year and what kind of team he puts on the floor next year. There's really no need to rush that decision at this point. But for cryin out loud can we please stop comparing Lavin's tenure here to that of his predecessor? Norm is not the gage by which most reasonable SJU fans wish to judge Lavin. Only the apologists wish to do that.

I have to say that saying that we should not compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Who do you want to compare Lavin's tenure to? Coach K? Jim Calhoun? Jimmy Boeheim? Of course it's fair to compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's! For all the obvious reasons. They both coached here is the most blatant one. It's only the Lavin haters who do not want to do that, because when you do compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's the differences are glaring. And in Lavin's favor.

By that logic, if Lavin makes the tourney once in 6 years than he's a rousing success. Because, after all, that's good compared to what Norm did. I completely fail to see your line of reasoning, but whatever.
PS Call me a hater if you want, frankly I don't rats rear end, but I have not been one of those calling for Lavin's head.

 

[redmen2014champs]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

Well put. I don't want to take away anything from the players on the court...I love the energy we've been seeing, and the emergence of Dom and Jordan. I would love to see this team not only make the tournament, but win at least one game. They deserve that feeling of accomplishment. Lav's body of work has not assured him of anything. His top accomplishments are a few scattered win streaks like the one we are in now. Our current win streak includes Xavier, Depaul, Seton Hall and Creighton. Last years Feb win streak included similar teams, but with one marquee win against #12 Creighton. One Big East Tournament Win, One NIT win, in four years. That's his 2 million a year resume. That's simply not good enough.

Dont chalk him up as nothing either. 1 tourney, 2 nits in 4 years at school who hasnt done anything worth mention for 10+years.

In the five years Lavin has been here we have won 11 games against this group of schools;
Cuse, Duke, nova, gtown, uconn, marquette

In the five years previous to lavin we had 5 combined wins.

Trust me im far from a lavin lover but he hasn't failed here imo. Due to his instant success, the expectations just rose too high. This group he has had now has improved their record every year. Maybe the volatile feel of the program was more a function of starting from scratch and maybe this next cycle will improve.

Gets to the tourney this year then no way he gets canned.

At the end of the day, the people who are paying him are the ultimately the ones who decide if he has succeeded or failed here. I have said all along, and I continue to say, that he should neither be fired nor extended this year, regardless of what happens. Lets see how we finish out the year and what kind of team he puts on the floor next year. There's really no need to rush that decision at this point. But for cryin out loud can we please stop comparing Lavin's tenure here to that of his predecessor? Norm is not the gage by which most reasonable SJU fans wish to judge Lavin. Only the apologists wish to do that.

I have to say that saying that we should not compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Who do you want to compare Lavin's tenure to? Coach K? Jim Calhoun? Jimmy Boeheim? Of course it's fair to compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's! For all the obvious reasons. They both coached here is the most blatant one. It's only the Lavin haters who do not want to do that, because when you do compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's the differences are glaring. And in Lavin's favor.

Compare t to Jarvis' tenure too then:

Jarvis in five seasons:
1 Big East Championship, 1 Elite 8, 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT Championship
6-4 in BE Tourney
4-3 in NCAAs
5-0 in NIT
Total Postseason Record: 15-7

Lavin in almost five seasons:
ZERO Big East Titles, 1 NCAA Tournament, 2 NITS
1-4 in BE Tourney
1-2 in NIT
0-1 NCAAs
Total Postseason Record: 2-7

Only bringing up Jarvis because he was run out of town with a resume much better than "Lav" has amassed

You can all continue your mob mentality and start attacking me now.

Purely basketball, I agree, I had no problem with the Jarvis years if we are just talking wins and losses and product on the floor. However, that obviously wasn't the reason why he was "run out of town". Why do you always bring up Jarvis? I'm not in the inner circle so I don't know the history of all the give and take between you and others and the nicknames, etc. Did you work for Jarvis?

 

[beast of the east]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

Well put. I don't want to take away anything from the players on the court...I love the energy we've been seeing, and the emergence of Dom and Jordan. I would love to see this team not only make the tournament, but win at least one game. They deserve that feeling of accomplishment. Lav's body of work has not assured him of anything. His top accomplishments are a few scattered win streaks like the one we are in now. Our current win streak includes Xavier, Depaul, Seton Hall and Creighton. Last years Feb win streak included similar teams, but with one marquee win against #12 Creighton. One Big East Tournament Win, One NIT win, in four years. That's his 2 million a year resume. That's simply not good enough.

Dont chalk him up as nothing either. 1 tourney, 2 nits in 4 years at school who hasnt done anything worth mention for 10+years.

In the five years Lavin has been here we have won 11 games against this group of schools;
Cuse, Duke, nova, gtown, uconn, marquette

In the five years previous to lavin we had 5 combined wins.

Trust me im far from a lavin lover but he hasn't failed here imo. Due to his instant success, the expectations just rose too high. This group he has had now has improved their record every year. Maybe the volatile feel of the program was more a function of starting from scratch and maybe this next cycle will improve.

Gets to the tourney this year then no way he gets canned.

At the end of the day, the people who are paying him are the ultimately the ones who decide if he has succeeded or failed here. I have said all along, and I continue to say, that he should neither be fired nor extended this year, regardless of what happens. Lets see how we finish out the year and what kind of team he puts on the floor next year. There's really no need to rush that decision at this point. But for cryin out loud can we please stop comparing Lavin's tenure here to that of his predecessor? Norm is not the gage by which most reasonable SJU fans wish to judge Lavin. Only the apologists wish to do that.

I have to say that saying that we should not compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Who do you want to compare Lavin's tenure to? Coach K? Jim Calhoun? Jimmy Boeheim? Of course it's fair to compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's! For all the obvious reasons. They both coached here is the most blatant one. It's only the Lavin haters who do not want to do that, because when you do compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's the differences are glaring. And in Lavin's favor.

Compare t to Jarvis' tenure too then:

Jarvis in five seasons:
1 Big East Championship, 1 Elite 8, 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT Championship
6-4 in BE Tourney
4-3 in NCAAs
5-0 in NIT
Total Postseason Record: 15-7

Lavin in almost five seasons:
ZERO Big East Titles, 1 NCAA Tournament, 2 NITS
1-4 in BE Tourney
1-2 in NIT
0-1 NCAAs
Total Postseason Record: 2-7

Only bringing up Jarvis because he was run out of town with a resume much better than "Lav" has amassed

You can all continue your mob mentality and start attacking me now.

I've always maintained, to jeers, is that as unlikeable as Jarvis was, and the fact that he self-destructed after failing to get the deal he wanted out of Michael Jordan in the NBA, that he had success here. He didn't start off badly, he just ended horribly. He deserves every negative commentary except that he had coaching ability and won here.

 

[Avon Barksdale]

I've always maintained, to jeers, is that as unlikeable as Jarvis was, and the fact that he self-destructed after failing to get the deal he wanted out of Michael Jordan in the NBA, that he had success here. He didn't start off badly, he just ended horribly. He deserves every negative commentary except that he had coaching ability and won here.

ended horribly as in his last two seasons he had an NCAA and won the NIT.
Father Harrington deserves a large part of that blame - and im not saying that the 03-04 season wouldve ended in a final four run, but how dumb are you to fire him six games into the season?

 

[we are sju]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

Well put. I don't want to take away anything from the players on the court...I love the energy we've been seeing, and the emergence of Dom and Jordan. I would love to see this team not only make the tournament, but win at least one game. They deserve that feeling of accomplishment. Lav's body of work has not assured him of anything. His top accomplishments are a few scattered win streaks like the one we are in now. Our current win streak includes Xavier, Depaul, Seton Hall and Creighton. Last years Feb win streak included similar teams, but with one marquee win against #12 Creighton. One Big East Tournament Win, One NIT win, in four years. That's his 2 million a year resume. That's simply not good enough.

Dont chalk him up as nothing either. 1 tourney, 2 nits in 4 years at school who hasnt done anything worth mention for 10+years.

In the five years Lavin has been here we have won 11 games against this group of schools;
Cuse, Duke, nova, gtown, uconn, marquette

In the five years previous to lavin we had 5 combined wins.

Trust me im far from a lavin lover but he hasn't failed here imo. Due to his instant success, the expectations just rose too high. This group he has had now has improved their record every year. Maybe the volatile feel of the program was more a function of starting from scratch and maybe this next cycle will improve.

Gets to the tourney this year then no way he gets canned.

At the end of the day, the people who are paying him are the ultimately the ones who decide if he has succeeded or failed here. I have said all along, and I continue to say, that he should neither be fired nor extended this year, regardless of what happens. Lets see how we finish out the year and what kind of team he puts on the floor next year. There's really no need to rush that decision at this point. But for cryin out loud can we please stop comparing Lavin's tenure here to that of his predecessor? Norm is not the gage by which most reasonable SJU fans wish to judge Lavin. Only the apologists wish to do that.

I have to say that saying that we should not compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Who do you want to compare Lavin's tenure to? Coach K? Jim Calhoun? Jimmy Boeheim? Of course it's fair to compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's! For all the obvious reasons. They both coached here is the most blatant one. It's only the Lavin haters who do not want to do that, because when you do compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's the differences are glaring. And in Lavin's favor.

Compare t to Jarvis' tenure too then:

Jarvis in five seasons:
1 Big East Championship, 1 Elite 8, 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT Championship
6-4 in BE Tourney
4-3 in NCAAs
5-0 in NIT
Total Postseason Record: 15-7

Lavin in almost five seasons:
ZERO Big East Titles, 1 NCAA Tournament, 2 NITS
1-4 in BE Tourney
1-2 in NIT
0-1 NCAAs
Total Postseason Record: 2-7

Only bringing up Jarvis because he was run out of town with a resume much better than "Lav" has amassed

You can all continue your mob mentality and start attacking me now.

I've always maintained, to jeers, is that as unlikeable as Jarvis was, and the fact that he self-destructed after failing to get the deal he wanted out of Michael Jordan in the NBA, that he had success here. He didn't start off badly, he just ended horribly. He deserves every negative commentary except that he had coaching ability and won here.

"He didn't start off badly"?????
He went to Elite 8 with the most fun to watch team the program has ever had. In his 2nd season he won the BET and won a game in the tourney.

Lavin is living off making the tourney 5 years ago and if we make it again people(including me) want him to get an extension.

Considering what this program has been, saying he "didn't start off badly" is the equivalent of saying Dirk Diggler had a decent sized unit.

 

[TonyinFairfield]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

Well put. I don't want to take away anything from the players on the court...I love the energy we've been seeing, and the emergence of Dom and Jordan. I would love to see this team not only make the tournament, but win at least one game. They deserve that feeling of accomplishment. Lav's body of work has not assured him of anything. His top accomplishments are a few scattered win streaks like the one we are in now. Our current win streak includes Xavier, Depaul, Seton Hall and Creighton. Last years Feb win streak included similar teams, but with one marquee win against #12 Creighton. One Big East Tournament Win, One NIT win, in four years. That's his 2 million a year resume. That's simply not good enough.

Dont chalk him up as nothing either. 1 tourney, 2 nits in 4 years at school who hasnt done anything worth mention for 10+years.

In the five years Lavin has been here we have won 11 games against this group of schools;
Cuse, Duke, nova, gtown, uconn, marquette

In the five years previous to lavin we had 5 combined wins.

Trust me im far from a lavin lover but he hasn't failed here imo. Due to his instant success, the expectations just rose too high. This group he has had now has improved their record every year. Maybe the volatile feel of the program was more a function of starting from scratch and maybe this next cycle will improve.

Gets to the tourney this year then no way he gets canned.

At the end of the day, the people who are paying him are the ultimately the ones who decide if he has succeeded or failed here. I have said all along, and I continue to say, that he should neither be fired nor extended this year, regardless of what happens. Lets see how we finish out the year and what kind of team he puts on the floor next year. There's really no need to rush that decision at this point. But for cryin out loud can we please stop comparing Lavin's tenure here to that of his predecessor? Norm is not the gage by which most reasonable SJU fans wish to judge Lavin. Only the apologists wish to do that.

I have to say that saying that we should not compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Who do you want to compare Lavin's tenure to? Coach K? Jim Calhoun? Jimmy Boeheim? Of course it's fair to compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's! For all the obvious reasons. They both coached here is the most blatant one. It's only the Lavin haters who do not want to do that, because when you do compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's the differences are glaring. And in Lavin's favor.

By that logic, if Lavin makes the tourney once in 6 years than he's a rousing success. Because, after all, that's good compared to what Norm did. I completely fail to see your line of reasoning, but whatever.
PS Call me a hater if you want, frankly I don't rats rear end, but I have not been one of those calling for Lavin's head.

Couldn't disagree more that if Lavin makes the tourney once in six years than he's a rousing success. I never said that. My point is that if you don't compare coaches of one program to each other, than who do you compare them to? And Avon made a good point. Jarvis clearly has better stats than Lavin. Cannot argue the numbers. But all that went out the window when he caused all our problems.

My reference to the Lavin haters, and we all know who they are, is just an emotional response to them calling me an apologist because I don't want to make a coaching change right now. That is all.

 

[JacStorm]

Just to interject a different slant on Jarvis -

Before the season he was canned, I gave up my treasured season tickets because he was still there.. and it had nothing to do with wins or losses. I couldn't root any longer for a program that had a coach who not only tolerated, but defended kids like Grady Reynolds, or kids who punched opponents in the groin, or kids who racially taunted elevator operators, or who likened Barkley's hassles with the corrupt NCAA to rape, etc.

A coach can't guarantee what a kid will or won't do. A coach can only show what kind of man/teacher/role model he is by how he deals with situations when they arise - as they always will.

Jarvis showed who and what he was and I found it despicable. Are wins and losses the only measure of a coach? If you had told me Jarvis was guaranteed to win the NCAA tourney if he was brought back, I would've said no.

 

[we are sju]

Just to interject a different slant on Jarvis -

Before the season he was canned, I gave up my treasured season tickets because he was still there.. and it had nothing to do with wins or losses. I couldn't root any longer for a program that had a coach who not only tolerated, but defended kids like Grady Reynolds, or kids who punched opponents in the groin, or kids who racially taunted elevator operators, or who likened Barkley's hassles with the corrupt NCAA to rape, etc.

A coach can't guarantee what a kid will or won't do. A coach can only show what kind of man/teacher/role model he is by how he deals with situations when they arise - as they always will.

Jarvis showed who and what he was and I found it despicable. Are wins and losses the only measure of a coach? If you had told me Jarvis was guaranteed to win the NCAA tourney if he was brought back, I would've said no.

Everyone who has ever hired Calipari strongly disagrees with you. College basketball is a big buisness. This is not "Hoosiers". No disrespect but I think you should follow CYO basketball if you want to keep your value system that you posted above. In the college basketball coach dirtbag scale Jarvis would hardly cause a blip.

 

[Knight]

Just to interject a different slant on Jarvis -

Before the season he was canned, I gave up my treasured season tickets because he was still there.. and it had nothing to do with wins or losses. I couldn't root any longer for a program that had a coach who not only tolerated, but defended kids like Grady Reynolds, or kids who punched opponents in the groin, or kids who racially taunted elevator operators, or who likened Barkley's hassles with the corrupt NCAA to rape, etc.

A coach can't guarantee what a kid will or won't do. A coach can only show what kind of man/teacher/role model he is by how he deals with situations when they arise - as they always will.

Jarvis showed who and what he was and I found it despicable. Are wins and losses the only measure of a coach? If you had told me Jarvis was guaranteed to win the NCAA tourney if he was brought back, I would've said no.

Everyone who has ever hired Calipari strongly disagrees with you. College basketball is a big buisness. This is not "Hoosiers". No disrespect but I think you should follow CYO basketball if you want to keep your value system that you posted above. In the college basketball coach dirtbag scale Jarvis would hardly cause a blip.

It has taken the program a long time to wash off the stench of Jarvis' tenure. We are still rebuilding connections with NYC area high schools.

 

[beast of the east]

I've always maintained, to jeers, is that as unlikeable as Jarvis was, and the fact that he self-destructed after failing to get the deal he wanted out of Michael Jordan in the NBA, that he had success here. He didn't start off badly, he just ended horribly. He deserves every negative commentary except that he had coaching ability and won here.

ended horribly as in his last two seasons he had an NCAA and won the NIT.
Father Harrington deserves a large part of that blame - and im not saying that the 03-04 season wouldve ended in a final four run, but how dumb are you to fire him six games into the season?

Avon, the wheels fell off. He proclaimed that winning wasn't important, that he didn't care if they didn't win another game all season, because he was a teacher, not just a coach. He proclaimed he wouldn't recruit in NYC. He acquired a real hostility towards St. John's, including the entire Athletic Department office, because as part of his negotiations with Jordan for an NBA job (Jordan wouldn't give him the multi-year deal he desired) that St. John's wouldn't bequeath the head coaching job to Mike Jarvis Jr. if he vacated. By all of these actions, he created his own firing, and deservedly so.

 

[beast of the east]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

Well put. I don't want to take away anything from the players on the court...I love the energy we've been seeing, and the emergence of Dom and Jordan. I would love to see this team not only make the tournament, but win at least one game. They deserve that feeling of accomplishment. Lav's body of work has not assured him of anything. His top accomplishments are a few scattered win streaks like the one we are in now. Our current win streak includes Xavier, Depaul, Seton Hall and Creighton. Last years Feb win streak included similar teams, but with one marquee win against #12 Creighton. One Big East Tournament Win, One NIT win, in four years. That's his 2 million a year resume. That's simply not good enough.

Dont chalk him up as nothing either. 1 tourney, 2 nits in 4 years at school who hasnt done anything worth mention for 10+years.

In the five years Lavin has been here we have won 11 games against this group of schools;
Cuse, Duke, nova, gtown, uconn, marquette

In the five years previous to lavin we had 5 combined wins.

Trust me im far from a lavin lover but he hasn't failed here imo. Due to his instant success, the expectations just rose too high. This group he has had now has improved their record every year. Maybe the volatile feel of the program was more a function of starting from scratch and maybe this next cycle will improve.

Gets to the tourney this year then no way he gets canned.

At the end of the day, the people who are paying him are the ultimately the ones who decide if he has succeeded or failed here. I have said all along, and I continue to say, that he should neither be fired nor extended this year, regardless of what happens. Lets see how we finish out the year and what kind of team he puts on the floor next year. There's really no need to rush that decision at this point. But for cryin out loud can we please stop comparing Lavin's tenure here to that of his predecessor? Norm is not the gage by which most reasonable SJU fans wish to judge Lavin. Only the apologists wish to do that.

I have to say that saying that we should not compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Who do you want to compare Lavin's tenure to? Coach K? Jim Calhoun? Jimmy Boeheim? Of course it's fair to compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's! For all the obvious reasons. They both coached here is the most blatant one. It's only the Lavin haters who do not want to do that, because when you do compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's the differences are glaring. And in Lavin's favor.

Compare t to Jarvis' tenure too then:

Jarvis in five seasons:
1 Big East Championship, 1 Elite 8, 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT Championship
6-4 in BE Tourney
4-3 in NCAAs
5-0 in NIT
Total Postseason Record: 15-7

Lavin in almost five seasons:
ZERO Big East Titles, 1 NCAA Tournament, 2 NITS
1-4 in BE Tourney
1-2 in NIT
0-1 NCAAs
Total Postseason Record: 2-7

Only bringing up Jarvis because he was run out of town with a resume much better than "Lav" has amassed

You can all continue your mob mentality and start attacking me now.

I've always maintained, to jeers, is that as unlikeable as Jarvis was, and the fact that he self-destructed after failing to get the deal he wanted out of Michael Jordan in the NBA, that he had success here. He didn't start off badly, he just ended horribly. He deserves every negative commentary except that he had coaching ability and won here.

"He didn't start off badly"?????
He went to Elite 8 with the most fun to watch team the program has ever had. In his 2nd season he won the BET and won a game in the tourney.

Lavin is living off making the tourney 5 years ago and if we make it again people(including me) want him to get an extension.

Considering what this program has been, saying he "didn't start off badly" is the equivalent of saying Dirk Diggler had a decent sized unit.

Only an agitator or an idiot take a sentence out of context and twists it to his purpose. Of course he started out well, but the sentence means that he didn't start out how it all ended, which is all most people remember around here. Now which is it? Agitator, or idiot?

 

[we are sju]

Just to interject a different slant on Jarvis -

Before the season he was canned, I gave up my treasured season tickets because he was still there.. and it had nothing to do with wins or losses. I couldn't root any longer for a program that had a coach who not only tolerated, but defended kids like Grady Reynolds, or kids who punched opponents in the groin, or kids who racially taunted elevator operators, or who likened Barkley's hassles with the corrupt NCAA to rape, etc.

A coach can't guarantee what a kid will or won't do. A coach can only show what kind of man/teacher/role model he is by how he deals with situations when they arise - as they always will.

Jarvis showed who and what he was and I found it despicable. Are wins and losses the only measure of a coach? If you had told me Jarvis was guaranteed to win the NCAA tourney if he was brought back, I would've said no.

Everyone who has ever hired Calipari strongly disagrees with you. College basketball is a big buisness. This is not "Hoosiers". No disrespect but I think you should follow CYO basketball if you want to keep your value system that you posted above. In the college basketball coach dirtbag scale Jarvis would hardly cause a blip.

It has taken the program a long time to wash off the stench of Jarvis' tenure. We are still rebuilding connections with NYC area high schools.

Yeah you can really tell by all the NYC kids we have. Jarvis is 12 years removed, can't still blame him for recruiting issues 12 years later.
Listen I get people think or know he was an arrogant jerk. My only point is who cares? I would vote for Calipari being hires even if it meant taking a big eraser and erasing Louie's name off his court.

 

[Knight]

Avon, the wheels fell off. He proclaimed that winning wasn't important, that he didn't care if they didn't win another game all season, because he was a teacher, not just a coach. He proclaimed he wouldn't recruit in NYC. He acquired a real hostility towards St. John's, including the entire Athletic Department office, because as part of his negotiations with Jordan for an NBA job (Jordan wouldn't give him the multi-year deal he desired) that St. John's wouldn't bequeath the head coaching job to Mike Jarvis Jr. if he vacated. By all of these actions, he created his own firing, and deservedly so.[/quote]

At least Norm tried to clean things up.

 

[beast of the east]

Avon, the wheels fell off. He proclaimed that winning wasn't important, that he didn't care if they didn't win another game all season, because he was a teacher, not just a coach. He proclaimed he wouldn't recruit in NYC. He acquired a real hostility towards St. John's, including the entire Athletic Department office, because as part of his negotiations with Jordan for an NBA job (Jordan wouldn't give him the multi-year deal he desired) that St. John's wouldn't bequeath the head coaching job to Mike Jarvis Jr. if he vacated. By all of these actions, he created his own firing, and deservedly so.

At least Norm tried to clean things up.[/quote]

Yea, but you don't proclaim the janitor a decent coach for mopping up the pile of crap that a predecessor left behind.

 

[redmen2014champs]

Just to interject a different slant on Jarvis -

Before the season he was canned, I gave up my treasured season tickets because he was still there.. and it had nothing to do with wins or losses. I couldn't root any longer for a program that had a coach who not only tolerated, but defended kids like Grady Reynolds, or kids who punched opponents in the groin, or kids who racially taunted elevator operators, or who likened Barkley's hassles with the corrupt NCAA to rape, etc.

A coach can't guarantee what a kid will or won't do. A coach can only show what kind of man/teacher/role model he is by how he deals with situations when they arise - as they always will.

Jarvis showed who and what he was and I found it despicable. Are wins and losses the only measure of a coach? If you had told me Jarvis was guaranteed to win the NCAA tourney if he was brought back, I would've said no.

Everyone who has ever hired Calipari strongly disagrees with you. College basketball is a big buisness. This is not "Hoosiers". No disrespect but I think you should follow CYO basketball if you want to keep your value system that you posted above. In the college basketball coach dirtbag scale Jarvis would hardly cause a blip.

It has taken the program a long time to wash off the stench of Jarvis' tenure. We are still rebuilding connections with NYC area high schools.

Yeah you can really tell by all the NYC kids we have. Jarvis is 12 years removed, can't still blame him for recruiting issues 12 years later.
Listen I get people think or know he was an arrogant jerk. My only point is who cares? I would vote for Calipari being hires even if it meant taking a big eraser and erasing Louie's name off his court.

That is probably the worst thing you could possibly say on Redmen.com. If my kids said that I would wash their mouths out with soap, ground them for a year and contemplate going the Adrian Peterson route.

 

[austour]

Mahoney and Jarvis are the only STJ coaches in my lifetime who left the program in worse shape than it was when they got there. By that token I'll say Lavin is marginally more successful than Jarvis, plus Jarvis trended down throughout his tenure with a slight reprieve riding the back of Marcus Hatten. Have I ever told you how I blame Marcus Hatten for the downfall of STJ's to this extent?

 

[we are sju]

Just to interject a different slant on Jarvis -

Before the season he was canned, I gave up my treasured season tickets because he was still there.. and it had nothing to do with wins or losses. I couldn't root any longer for a program that had a coach who not only tolerated, but defended kids like Grady Reynolds, or kids who punched opponents in the groin, or kids who racially taunted elevator operators, or who likened Barkley's hassles with the corrupt NCAA to rape, etc.

A coach can't guarantee what a kid will or won't do. A coach can only show what kind of man/teacher/role model he is by how he deals with situations when they arise - as they always will.

Jarvis showed who and what he was and I found it despicable. Are wins and losses the only measure of a coach? If you had told me Jarvis was guaranteed to win the NCAA tourney if he was brought back, I would've said no.

Everyone who has ever hired Calipari strongly disagrees with you. College basketball is a big buisness. This is not "Hoosiers". No disrespect but I think you should follow CYO basketball if you want to keep your value system that you posted above. In the college basketball coach dirtbag scale Jarvis would hardly cause a blip.

It has taken the program a long time to wash off the stench of Jarvis' tenure. We are still rebuilding connections with NYC area high schools.

Yeah you can really tell by all the NYC kids we have. Jarvis is 12 years removed, can't still blame him for recruiting issues 12 years later.
Listen I get people think or know he was an arrogant jerk. My only point is who cares? I would vote for Calipari being hires even if it meant taking a big eraser and erasing Louie's name off his court.

That is probably the worst thing you could possibly say on Redmen.com. If my kids said that I would wash their mouths out with soap, ground them for a year and contemplate going the Adrian Peterson route.

Joking that I would take Cal over Louie being mad upset you so much that you decided to make a joke about a professional athlete beating his 5 year old with a tree branch. Think you need to get your priorities straight my man.