New Transfer Rule Discussion

[Moose]

Just did a bit of googling.  Seems like 30-40% of all college students transfer.  Just some food for thought.

What % play revenue generating sports, and receive the compensation and perks that come with it? Again, we can debate whether or not the compensation is fair, but the average student pays a school for an eduction. That's one kind of business arrangement, but it's a whole  lot different then the business arrangement which takes place between a school and its revenue producing athletes. 

 

But a scholarship is renewable every year.  If it was a true 4 year contract sure.  But we all know they aren't.  

I find it ironic we so often hear that they are just kids.  Just like those 30-40% who transfer.  But because they dribble a ball now they are different?

Yes the revenue sports have had these transfer rules whereas the other sports haven't.  I don't follow football as much but seems like transfers of big names were happening more because losing 1 of 90 was drop in the bucket when compared to 1 of 13.  This is why Name Image and Likeness is such a hot topic now.  This has been danced around forever and now it's coming to a head.  

 

[WillyDilly]

Whatever the NCAA decides, it needs to be an all or nothing approach. If they want to eliminate the sit out rule for athletes, then no one has to sit out a year. But if they want to implement a requirement for transfers to sit out a year, then every athlete must sit out a year, regardless of the reasoning behind it. The NCAA got themselves into a pickle by allowing all of these special 'exceptions'....which ultimately turned it into a very arbitrary process.

A very simple solution would be to eliminate the sit out rule, but also have the following condition: If the season has already started, transfers are not eligible to participate in any sport related activities until the current season is officially complete. The student would have to transfer prior to the start of the season, or wait until the following year to play at their new school.


 

I respectfully disagree that it has to be one or the other (all or nothing).  My take has always been in favor for a player not having to sit out a year if they transfer from a school where the coach left (fired, resigned or whatever reason), was told by the school their scholarship was not being renewed (unless it due to academic ineligibility) or there is a legitimate hardship reason as specifically defined by the NCAA (death or serious illness of a parent, spouse, sibling or guardian).  If none of these applies, they should have to sit a year.   The problem really arose as you said was the "special 'exceptions'....which ultimately turned it into a very arbitrary process."  Define specifically what the exceptions are and don't leave it up to interpretation where it then becomes an arbitrary process.


If they don't take the all or nothing approach, they will constantly be opening themselves up to the 'what if' scenarios.  What is the definition of a 'serious illness'? For example, the flu for one person is not a big deal, but it could potentially be life threatening for someone else. Is the NCAA going to tell a kid that they don't think a certain illness is serious enough for them to transfer? Could you imagine the headline, "X player denied waiver as NCAA deems family member's cancer diagnosis not problematic enough to warrant transfer."?

In my opinion, it really has to be an all or nothing thing. Otherwise, they will be 'what if'd' to death, similar to how they currently are.
 

 

[SJU85]

Just did a bit of googling.  Seems like 30-40% of all college students transfer.  Just some food for thought.

What % play revenue generating sports, and receive the compensation and perks that come with it? Again, we can debate whether or not the compensation is fair, but the average student pays a school for an eduction. That's one kind of business arrangement, but it's a whole  lot different then the business arrangement which takes place between a school and its revenue producing athletes. 

 

There are more in the articles and studies (along with other links within them) below btI don't have the time to go through it all right now but I have highlighted some of the findings:

[URL]https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research-student-athlete-transfers[/URL]

"A 2018 study from the [URL]https://nscresearchcenter.org/signaturereport15/[/URL]]National Student Clearinghouse[/url] estimates that 39% of all undergraduates who initially enroll in a four-year institution transfer schools at least once.

"13% of current Division I student-athletes transferred from another school. Rates of transfer from two-year and four-year colleges vary substantially among Division I sports."

"Only 0.6% of Division I student-athletes are “graduate transfers.” However, as more student-athletes compete as postgraduates, the number of graduate transfers has increased in some sports." (with the extra year, that is probably bound to go up)

[URL]https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-transfer-division-i-men-s-basketball[/URL]
Published February 2021

"Transfers were identified by merging the 2020 Division I Basketball Transfers list from the Verbal Commits [URL]https://www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/2020[/URL]]website[/url] with all Division I men’s basketball student-athletes listed in the 2019-20 Transfer Portal"

"The percentage of 4-4 transfers (those who transfer from one four-year institution to another) on Division I men’s basketball squads increased in 2018 and 2019, while the rate of two-year college transfers in men’s basketball has remained relatively flat."

" About 40% of all men’s basketball players who enter Division I directly out of high school depart their initial school by the end of their sophomore year."

[URL]https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/ncaa-goals-study[/URL]]"NCAA GOALS survey data[/url] finds close to 90% of all men’s basketball transfers say they leave for athletic reasons. Absent proper academic planning, many of these student-athletes lose credits upon transfer and register lower Academic Progress Rates and graduation rates at their new schools than seen among nontransfers"



 

 

[SJU85]

Whatever the NCAA decides, it needs to be an all or nothing approach. If they want to eliminate the sit out rule for athletes, then no one has to sit out a year. But if they want to implement a requirement for transfers to sit out a year, then every athlete must sit out a year, regardless of the reasoning behind it. The NCAA got themselves into a pickle by allowing all of these special 'exceptions'....which ultimately turned it into a very arbitrary process.

A very simple solution would be to eliminate the sit out rule, but also have the following condition: If the season has already started, transfers are not eligible to participate in any sport related activities until the current season is officially complete. The student would have to transfer prior to the start of the season, or wait until the following year to play at their new school.



 

I respectfully disagree that it has to be one or the other (all or nothing).  My take has always been in favor for a player not having to sit out a year if they transfer from a school where the coach left (fired, resigned or whatever reason), was told by the school their scholarship was not being renewed (unless it due to academic ineligibility) or there is a legitimate hardship reason as specifically defined by the NCAA (death or serious illness of a parent, spouse, sibling or guardian).  If none of these applies, they should have to sit a year.   The problem really arose as you said was the "special 'exceptions'....which ultimately turned it into a very arbitrary process."  Define specifically what the exceptions are and don't leave it up to interpretation where it then becomes an arbitrary process.


If they don't take the all or nothing approach, they will constantly be opening themselves up to the 'what if' scenarios.  What is the definition of a 'serious illness'? For example, the flu for one person is not a big deal, but it could potentially be life threatening for someone else. Is the NCAA going to tell a kid that they don't think a certain illness is serious enough for them to transfer? Could you imagine the headline, "X player denied waiver as NCAA deems family member's cancer diagnosis not problematic enough to warrant transfer."?

In my opinion, it really has to be an all or nothing thing. Otherwise, they will be 'what if'd' to death, similar to how they currently are.

 

Cancer, no matter the survival rate of the type of cancer to me is an automatic qualifier as well as wanting to be closer to home when you have a global pandemic.  You are correct that medical conditions like the flu might be nothing to one but life threatening to another, however you do have medical records, history, diagnosis and prognosis that can be provided and reviewed confidentially by medical professionals appointed by the NCAA (like insurance companies when they review claims or you need to get pre-approval for tests).  Again you make it clear cut, not wishy-washy without rhyme or reason.
 

 

[monte]

Just did a bit of googling.  Seems like 30-40% of all college students transfer.  Just some food for thought.

What % play revenue generating sports, and receive the compensation and perks that come with it? Again, we can debate whether or not the compensation is fair, but the average student pays a school for an eduction. That's one kind of business arrangement, but it's a whole  lot different then the business arrangement which takes place between a school and its revenue producing athletes. 


 

But a scholarship is renewable every year.  If it was a true 4 year contract sure.  But we all know they aren't.  

I find it ironic we so often hear that they are just kids.  Just like those 30-40% who transfer.  But because they dribble a ball now they are different?

Yes the revenue sports have had these transfer rules whereas the other sports haven't.  I don't follow football as much but seems like transfers of big names were happening more because losing 1 of 90 was drop in the bucket when compared to 1 of 13.  This is why Name Image and Likeness is such a hot topic now.  This has been danced around forever and now it's coming to a head.  

Fair enough, but how often is a kid's scholarship not renewed? 
 

 

[Moose]

Just did a bit of googling.  Seems like 30-40% of all college students transfer.  Just some food for thought.

What % play revenue generating sports, and receive the compensation and perks that come with it? Again, we can debate whether or not the compensation is fair, but the average student pays a school for an eduction. That's one kind of business arrangement, but it's a whole  lot different then the business arrangement which takes place between a school and its revenue producing athletes. 



 

But a scholarship is renewable every year.  If it was a true 4 year contract sure.  But we all know they aren't.  

I find it ironic we so often hear that they are just kids.  Just like those 30-40% who transfer.  But because they dribble a ball now they are different?

Yes the revenue sports have had these transfer rules whereas the other sports haven't.  I don't follow football as much but seems like transfers of big names were happening more because losing 1 of 90 was drop in the bucket when compared to 1 of 13.  This is why Name Image and Likeness is such a hot topic now.  This has been danced around forever and now it's coming to a head.  

Fair enough, but how often is a kid's scholarship not renewed? 

 

Don't think we can quantify.  But each coach meets with his players after each season.  And that's where kids say I want to leave and coaches say or agree it might be best.  It happens more than you would think.  But not overtly like a pro team declining a contract option.

 

[SJU85]

Just did a bit of googling.  Seems like 30-40% of all college students transfer.  Just some food for thought.

What % play revenue generating sports, and receive the compensation and perks that come with it? Again, we can debate whether or not the compensation is fair, but the average student pays a school for an eduction. That's one kind of business arrangement, but it's a whole  lot different then the business arrangement which takes place between a school and its revenue producing athletes. 



 

But a scholarship is renewable every year.  If it was a true 4 year contract sure.  But we all know they aren't.  

I find it ironic we so often hear that they are just kids.  Just like those 30-40% who transfer.  But because they dribble a ball now they are different?

Yes the revenue sports have had these transfer rules whereas the other sports haven't.  I don't follow football as much but seems like transfers of big names were happening more because losing 1 of 90 was drop in the bucket when compared to 1 of 13.  This is why Name Image and Likeness is such a hot topic now.  This has been danced around forever and now it's coming to a head.  

Fair enough, but how often is a kid's scholarship not renewed? 

 

In certain sports and certain programs, a lot more than we hear about.  Coaches run off a players because they found someone better and have a number crunch.  That's how we wound up with Ron Mvouika (you could argue he had is four years but he was injured and redshirted one year and was told they had no room for him to come back. 

 

[monte]

Just did a bit of googling.  Seems like 30-40% of all college students transfer.  Just some food for thought.

What % play revenue generating sports, and receive the compensation and perks that come with it? Again, we can debate whether or not the compensation is fair, but the average student pays a school for an eduction. That's one kind of business arrangement, but it's a whole  lot different then the business arrangement which takes place between a school and its revenue producing athletes. 





 

But a scholarship is renewable every year.  If it was a true 4 year contract sure.  But we all know they aren't.  

I find it ironic we so often hear that they are just kids.  Just like those 30-40% who transfer.  But because they dribble a ball now they are different?

Yes the revenue sports have had these transfer rules whereas the other sports haven't.  I don't follow football as much but seems like transfers of big names were happening more because losing 1 of 90 was drop in the bucket when compared to 1 of 13.  This is why Name Image and Likeness is such a hot topic now.  This has been danced around forever and now it's coming to a head.  

Fair enough, but how often is a kid's scholarship not renewed? 



 

Don't think we can quantify.  But each coach meets with his players after each season.  And that's where kids say I want to leave and coaches say or agree it might be best.  It happens more than you would think.  But not overtly like a pro team declining a contract option.

There's a distinction between encouraging a player to seek more PT elsewhere, and pulling a scholarship. I realize that sometimes it's not clear cut. Maybe both a player and a coach/school should have to honor a scholarship for a minimum amount of years(2 or 3), then have a one time transfer without having to sit. Not sure, but know that this annual free agency isn't the answer. It wouldn't work in the pros and it won't work in college. Stability and continuity is something  the fans expect in exchange for their loyalty, and at the end of the day we are the customers. 

 

 

[SJU85]

Monte, I am not a fan over the overall new rule (it still has to be voted on) and have stated in this thread what I favor however this is a different world, a world of instant gratification. People don't want to wait for it, it if doesn't happen they move on quickly. This is no different. Heck there are schools that are already use to large turnovers on their roster year to year and they don't just accept it, they expect it and embrace it. I am talking about Kentucky with their one and done players and those who leave after a year or two because they weren't one and done and have been recruited over, but no matter, Cal just brings in transfers. Duke while not 100 percent the same, is playing a version of that game and even added a grad transfer this year (grad transfer Patrick Tape and I can't think of too many other transfers they have beyond Roshown Mcleod who was Coach K's first and Dahntay Jones from Rutgers). Those fans have adjusted because it is the brand and they win (except this year).

More changes are coming as the NBA most likely will allow players to be drafted straight out of High School as long as they compete their Senior year or are age appropriate. That will be another adjustment as some of these four and five stars folks are use to seeing suit up for one year of college, will be "taking their talents" to the professional league.

This is going to be a wild ride, I hope not to bumpy and that when the music stops, we have seat at the table.

 

[MakingPlays]

If the new rule passes permanently if I was coach Anderson I'd switch up my recruiting philosophy, because in his system he needs players that are going to stay and develop.

First thing, I wouldn't take any high school kids unless they were 4-star or higher and I knew they would start or play a lot of minutes their first year.  I also wouldn't take any JUCOs unless they were top 15 or better and I knew they would start or play a lot of minutes.  All the rest of my recruits would come from the portal, I'm targeting kids with 2 or 3 years of eligibility remaining, those kids would be my primary recruiting focus, because I know they've already used their transfer up and those would be the guys I know I would have for multiple years and who I could build my system around.

 

[monte]

Monte, I am not a fan over the overall new rule (it still has to be voted on) and have stated in this thread what I favor however this is a different world, a world of instant gratification. People don't want to wait for it, it if doesn't happen they move on quickly. This is no different. Heck there are schools that are already use to large turnovers on their roster year to year and they don't just accept it, they expect it and embrace it. I am talking about Kentucky with their one and done players and those who leave after a year or two because they weren't one and done and have been recruited over, but no matter, Cal just brings in transfers. Duke while not 100 percent the same, is playing a version of that game and even added a grad transfer this year (grad transfer Patrick Tape and I can't think of too many other transfers they have beyond Roshown Mcleod who was Coach K's first and Dahntay Jones from Rutgers). Those fans have adjusted because it is the brand and they win (except this year).

More changes are coming as the NBA most likely will allow players to be drafted straight out of High School as long as they compete their Senior year or are age appropriate. That will be another adjustment as some of these four and five stars folks are use to seeing suit up for one year of college, will be "taking their talents" to the professional league.

This is going to be a wild ride, I hope not to bumpy and that when the music stops, we have seat at the table.

85' I am fine with kids going right from high school to the pros. I think the 1 year college stopover is a farce. I also think the NBA should field a farm system like MLB, complete with the option for kids to take college classes for free. The whole amateur athlete/student athlete concept is a complete joke in most instances. Let's bring all the dirty little secrets out in the open and fix this once and for all, to the degree  possible. But that will never happen because there's too much money being made by the colleges and the TV networks, and a shitload of money being saved by the NBA by using colleges as their farm system. 
 

 

[SJU85]

Monte, I am not a fan over the overall new rule (it still has to be voted on) and have stated in this thread what I favor however this is a different world, a world of instant gratification. People don't want to wait for it, it if doesn't happen they move on quickly. This is no different. Heck there are schools that are already use to large turnovers on their roster year to year and they don't just accept it, they expect it and embrace it. I am talking about Kentucky with their one and done players and those who leave after a year or two because they weren't one and done and have been recruited over, but no matter, Cal just brings in transfers. Duke while not 100 percent the same, is playing a version of that game and even added a grad transfer this year (grad transfer Patrick Tape and I can't think of too many other transfers they have beyond Roshown Mcleod who was Coach K's first and Dahntay Jones from Rutgers). Those fans have adjusted because it is the brand and they win (except this year).

More changes are coming as the NBA most likely will allow players to be drafted straight out of High School as long as they compete their Senior year or are age appropriate. That will be another adjustment as some of these four and five stars folks are use to seeing suit up for one year of college, will be "taking their talents" to the professional league.

This is going to be a wild ride, I hope not to bumpy and that when the music stops, we have seat at the table.

85' I am fine with kids going right from high school to the pros. I think the 1 year college stopover is a farce. I also think the NBA should field a farm system like MLB, complete with the option for kids to take college classes for free. The whole amateur athlete/student athlete concept is a complete joke in most instances. Let's bring all the dirty little secrets out in the open and fix this once and for all, to the degree  possible. But that will never happen because there's too much money being made by the colleges and the TV networks, and a shitload of money being saved by the NBA by using colleges as their farm system. 

 

Agreed

 

[austour]

G League Ignite is a model much like what you are talking about but I think there's only a few roster spots filled by HS/Int'l kids (Kuminga, Nix, Green, not sure who else) .  They're making a lot more than most G League players and they've seconded a couple of vets to mentor, Jarrett Jack and Amir Johnson.  Cronin went off on NBA recruiting Nix to the G League after he had already committed to UCLA in a presser a little while back.

 

[monte]

G League Ignite is a model much like what you are talking about but I think there's only a few roster spots filled by HS/Int'l kids (Kuminga, Nix, Green, not sure who else) .  They're making a lot more than most G League players and they've seconded a couple of vets to mentor, Jarrett Jack and Amir Johnson.  Cronin went off on NBA recruiting Nix to the G League after he had already committed to UCLA in a presser a little while back.

I don't know a whole lot about the G league, but it seems to me to basically be a taxi squad for NBA teams; players that mostly aren't quite good enough to make a 12 man roster, but can be activated when needed by an NBA team. I don't see it as a true farm system, but again I don't know much about it. 
 

 

[austour]

G League Ignite is a model much like what you are talking about but I think there's only a few roster spots filled by HS/Int'l kids (Kuminga, Nix, Green, not sure who else) .  They're making a lot more than most G League players and they've seconded a couple of vets to mentor, Jarrett Jack and Amir Johnson.  Cronin went off on NBA recruiting Nix to the G League after he had already committed to UCLA in a presser a little while back.

I don't know a whole lot about the G league, but it seems to me to basically be a taxi squad for NBA teams; players that mostly aren't quite good enough to make a 12 man roster, but can be activated when needed by an NBA team. I don't see it as a true farm system, but again I don't know much about it. 

 

For the most part you are right.  Each NBA team can have two guys on two way contracts who get paid one amount for days on a G League team roster and another rate when they are on the active NBA roster, their min salary is $88K, max salary is around $385K if they play the max days on the NBA roster, or they can sign a regular contract mid season if their NBA team needs them more than the max number of days.  For example the Knicks have Theo Pinson and Jared Harper on two way contracts.  Other underperforming players on guaranteed contracts, or players that teams don't have room for but don't want to cut are assigned to the G League at full NBA salary.  the Knicks had Dennis Smith down there before the trade.   But most players are really unaffiliated and are making a last gasp effort at catching on, and their pay is not really that good, last year it was $7K/month for 5 months.  Most could make more overseas but I can only assume they really want that NBA gig, or no passport.

The Ignite program and team is a separate entity owned by the NBA as a whole.  I believe this was their first year and they went after HS and international kids who they thought weren't interested in going to college to play out their year before draft eligibility and get some development all playing on the same team with a few vets.  They offered them a lot more money.  Jalen Green and Jonathan Kuminga are making $500K, Kai Soto $200K.  The aforementioned Nix is making $300K.  It is assumed most of these guys will get drafted.  Green and Kuminga are pretty much sure fire lottery picks.  Nix and Isaiah Todd ($250K) are projected as 2nd rounders by ESPN.  Soto, who is an international, is a borderline 2nd rounder as well.  

UCLA had Nix signed and Cronin claims the NBA told him they wouldn't play a college season and he should therefore come play in the G League.  Here's an article on the Nix situation. 

[URL]https://www.espn.com/mens-coll...ronin-blasts-nba-g-league-recruit-daishen-nix[/URL]

 

 

[MakingPlays]

I’ve always been a big proponent of it. The covid year is making it seem worse. Give it two years for others to see you can’t just leave on a whim. More often that not it will backfire. Then the rule will be used more appropriately for the serious situations when a player needs to leave. 

So Moose what's your thoughts on the portal now that St. John's has lost over half it's roster to it, there's over 74 teams with with 5 or more players in it, and already over 1,000 in the portal total when the season isn't even over yet?  Is it that many coaches that are just bs'ing kids and lying to them?  Because I know CMA isn't, he's about as straight of a shooter as they come.

Listen to this clip from Coach Izzo talking about the transfer portal.  How many big time coaches gotta bring up concerns about it?

https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1377354199055310848

 

 

[Moose]

I’ve always been a big proponent of it. The covid year is making it seem worse. Give it two years for others to see you can’t just leave on a whim. More often that not it will backfire. Then the rule will be used more appropriately for the serious situations when a player needs to leave. 

So Moose what's your thoughts on the portal now that St. John's has lost over half it's roster to it, there's over 74 teams with with 5 or more players in it, and already over 1,000 in the portal total when the season isn't even over yet?  Is it that many coaches that are just bs'ing kids and lying to them?  Because I know CMA isn't, he's about as straight of a shooter as they come.



 

I feel the same this one year isn't changing my mind.  Kids should get 1 free transfer.  

But I think there should be rules and I think Indy needs to wake up and make it official and try to put some parameters around it but let's not hold our breath.  If this is what it takes for Indy to wake up and use that lump 3 feet above their ass then its temporarily worth it.

Hope someone takes a number of how many Sr's are transferring.  They should be done dusted and gone.  That I think is a sizable number and all them transferring does is kick the can further down the road and make the problem bigger.

*You know CMA.  I'm sure if Greg and Marcellus said they want to leave he would thank them and wish them the best.  He wouldn't beg them to stick around and say you will start or play 25 mpg, right?

 

[MakingPlays]

I’ve always been a big proponent of it. The covid year is making it seem worse. Give it two years for others to see you can’t just leave on a whim. More often that not it will backfire. Then the rule will be used more appropriately for the serious situations when a player needs to leave. 

So Moose what's your thoughts on the portal now that St. John's has lost over half it's roster to it, there's over 74 teams with with 5 or more players in it, and already over 1,000 in the portal total when the season isn't even over yet?  Is it that many coaches that are just bs'ing kids and lying to them?  Because I know CMA isn't, he's about as straight of a shooter as they come.



 

I feel the same this one year isn't changing my mind.  Kids should get 1 free transfer.  

But I think there should be rules and I think Indy needs to wake up and make it official and try to put some parameters around it but let's not hold our breath.  If this is what it takes for Indy to wake up and use that lump 3 feet above their ass then its temporarily worth it.

Hope someone takes a number of how many Sr's are transferring.  They should be done dusted and gone.  That I think is a sizable number and all them transferring does is kick the can further down the road and make the problem bigger.

No seniors have entered the portal from St. John's.  That's 7 transfers of juniors or younger.

It's alright to admit you were wrong and it's a dumb rule.  No real college basketball fan thinks this is a good idea.  I'm friends with people from different fan bases and almost all of them are pissed at them losing key players, very prominent college coaches think it's stupid, almost every college bball analyst I've seen thinks it's a bad idea.  Your team that you root for just lost 7 players from a 4th place Big East finish where their coach won COY and known as a player's coach, and he's losing players left and right over this rule and you're still like "I like that idea."  LOL are you serious? 
 

 

[gman]

https://twitter.com/pr0ia/status/1377347685292859405?s=21

 

[Moose]

I’ve always been a big proponent of it. The covid year is making it seem worse. Give it two years for others to see you can’t just leave on a whim. More often that not it will backfire. Then the rule will be used more appropriately for the serious situations when a player needs to leave. 

So Moose what's your thoughts on the portal now that St. John's has lost over half it's roster to it, there's over 74 teams with with 5 or more players in it, and already over 1,000 in the portal total when the season isn't even over yet?  Is it that many coaches that are just bs'ing kids and lying to them?  Because I know CMA isn't, he's about as straight of a shooter as they come.




 

I feel the same this one year isn't changing my mind.  Kids should get 1 free transfer.  

But I think there should be rules and I think Indy needs to wake up and make it official and try to put some parameters around it but let's not hold our breath.  If this is what it takes for Indy to wake up and use that lump 3 feet above their ass then its temporarily worth it.

Hope someone takes a number of how many Sr's are transferring.  They should be done dusted and gone.  That I think is a sizable number and all them transferring does is kick the can further down the road and make the problem bigger.

No seniors have entered the portal from St. John's.  That's 7 transfers of juniors or younger.

It's alright to admit you were wrong and it's a dumb rule.  No real college basketball fan thinks this is a good idea.  I'm friends with people from different fan bases and almost all of them are pissed at them losing key players, very prominent college coaches think it's stupid, almost every college bball analyst I've seen thinks it's a bad idea.  Your team that you root for just lost 7 players from a 4th place Big East finish where their coach won COY and known as a player's coach, and he's losing players left and right over this rule and you're still like "I like that idea."  LOL are you serious? 

 

This has nothing to do with admitting I'm wrong about something.  It's the first year.  I don't make rash decisions about something.

You're a smart fella.  The fact I bring up Sr's flooding the portal has nothing to do with SJU not having any Sr's that did.  And for the record there are 2 Sr's from SJU who very well might choose to transfer.  When you take a whole class across 350 plus schools and say here's another chance to play that floods the market.  Do the math.  Funny how nobody cares about the soon to be college freshman who are likely going to play less now. 

Did you expect coaches to come out and say its a good idea?  If you did I don't know what to tell you.  That's the least surprising thing here.  Come back to me next spring.  If there is another 1500 in the portal which would be twice the normal number for a 2nd straight year then maybe we have a problem.

I root for the school.  And if kids dont want to be here good luck thanks for your time.  I'll root for the 13 kids who wear SJU jersey next year.