New College Sports Roster Limits Revealed / Yahoo Sports

Those that are not defendants in the settlement case — schools and conferences in the Group of Five, FCS and non-football playing Division I programs — are bound by the roster limits, reporting system and enforcement mechanism only if they choose to share revenue with athletes. They can opt out of the new model if they decline to share revenue. If they don’t share revenue, the better athletes will head to similar schools that do.

Just look at these numbers and how will affect SJU:
Baseball from 11.7 to 34 scholarships (lots of boys in the bullpen)
W XC from 6 to 17
M/ W Fencing both increased to 24 from 5 each
W Track from 18 to 45
Lacrosse from 12.6 to 48 (great our locker room probably has 24 lockers)
Both soccers from like 10/14 to 28
Softball from 12 to 25 ( our dugout cannot hold more than 18)
Volleyball from 12 to 18
Both tennis get bumped to 10 each.

Wondering how our administration and new AD will deal with this new ruling? Do they come up with the bucks to provide all the new scholarships. And what/how are they going to handle the much needed support staff with all these new athletes like strength and conditioning and sports med and academic support. One athletic trainer isn’t going to cut it with teams like lax traveling with 48 and track with 45 women. Many schools already send multiple trainers with large number teams but not cash strapped SJU. Are they going to add staff? And wait till they have to make travel plans like hotel, plane tix, and meals for all these new travel athletes. In the old days, you leave non scholarship kids home like walk ons. How do you tell a scholarship kid, no your not traveling your staying home this week.

Glad I’m retired!
 
Glad they are going back to 15 for basketball which is what it was back in the day and for what seemed like a long time. Fact that women already had 15 and men were limited to 13 for years was bogus as Jeff Spicoli would say.
 
bamafan said:
Glad they are going back to 15 for basketball which is what it was back in the day and for what seemed like a long time. Fact that women already had 15 and men were limited to 13 for years was bogus as Jeff Spicoli would say.
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Title IX. Most if not all sports that had Men’s and Women’s programs, the Women’s programs were allotted more scholarships with Lacrosse (Men had .6 more and hockey (both had the same amount) being the exception.

With them all having the same number and football dwarfing the other sports in roster size, it will be interesting to see how schools balance Title IX requirements in this new arrangement.
 
SJU85 said:
Title IX. Most if not all sports that had Men’s and Women’s programs, the Women’s programs were allotted more scholarships with Lacrosse (Men had .6 more and hockey (both had the same amount) being the exception.

With them all having the same number and football dwarfing the other sports in roster size, it will be interesting to see how schools balance Title IX requirements in this new arrangement.
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I believe the Title lX requirements stay the same. The scholarships must be proportionate to the student population makeup. That is the main reason we had to drop so many male sports back in the early 2000’s.
 
Isn't there a minimum number of sports you need to participate in to remain Division One ?

48 scholarships for a Lacrosse team is crazy. Baseball is going to be interesting because the top programs always have 50-60 players in the Fall and then cut after first semester. Better for players unless schools drop the program.

Bottom line, this just continues the polarization between the haves and have nots. The " Super League" Football programs will have much different athletic departments and the NCAA Basketball tournament as we know it will be a casualty of this "growth". We better enjoy the next few years.
 
Those are new upper limits, not requirements right?

If so, don't see as big of deal. Having that many players on those teams are useless and just limit playing time for many.

Hope we are able to limit any adds as there is little to no value to SJU to expand any sports but basketball as none of them really help market university in any meaningful way.
 
SJUNC said:
Isn't there a minimum number of sports you need to participate in to remain Division One ?

48 scholarships for a Lacrosse team is crazy. Baseball is going to be interesting because the top programs always have 50-60 players in the Fall and then cut after first semester. Better for players unless schools drop the program.

Bottom line, this just continues the polarization between the haves and have nots. The " Super League" Football programs will have much different athletic departments and the NCAA Basketball tournament as we know it will be a casualty of this "growth". We better enjoy the next few years.
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As long as the mens basketball team thrives, not only is the Big East fine monetarily, but so are the dooks of the world. There are plenty of other schools where mens hoop drives the bus. Purdue, Indiana, Syracuse ain't going to the bank with large football checks Keep in mind how much more cost goes into the football budgets compared to basketball.
 
tom in salem said:
As long as the mens basketball team thrives, not only is the Big East fine monetarily, but so are the dooks of the world. There are plenty of other schools where mens hoop drives the bus. Purdue, Indiana, Syracuse ain't going to the bank with large football checks Keep in mind how much more cost goes into the football budgets compared to basketball.
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Purdue and Indiana as part of BIG10 do get huge football checks from TV. Doesn't matter how many games you win. Not sure exact amount but it's in the 80 mill per range. They may have better hoop programs but football does indeed drive the bus. ACC gets pretty decent money too but nothing like BIG10 and SEC. Believe BIG12 is third place among Power 4.
 
D1 Women's rowing increasing from 20 scholarships to 68.

Tell your daughters and granddaughters to start to row which offers the best opportunity for a girl to earn an academic preference or athletic scholarship over any other sport. Unfortunately, men's rowing scholarships are not as plentiful since men's college rowing is not an NCAA sport.

 
otis said:
D1 Women's rowing increasing from 20 scholarships to 68.

Tell your daughters and granddaughters to start to row which offers the best opportunity for a girl to earn an academic preference or athletic scholarship over any other sport. Unfortunately, men's rowing scholarships are not as plentiful since men's college rowing is not an NCAA sport.

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With hundreds of students now not paying tuition who normally, it's gonna force the colleges to increase student costs to an ungodly number. Big winner here should be the Division 3 schools, where athletic scholarships cannot be given, yet academically would blow most of these schools away. Check the NESCAC.
 
bamafan said:
Purdue and Indiana as part of BIG10 do get huge football checks from TV. Doesn't matter how many games you win. Not sure exact amount but it's in the 80 mill per range. They may have better hoop programs but football does indeed drive the bus. ACC gets pretty decent money too but nothing like BIG10 and SEC. Believe BIG12 is third place among Power 4.
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So 80 mil divided by what, 20 schools? Curious, what are the expenditures for a Big 18 school annually, including everything, even NIL.
 
otis said:
D1 Women's rowing increasing from 20 scholarships to 68.

Tell your daughters and granddaughters to start to row which offers the best opportunity for a girl to earn an academic preference or athletic scholarship over any other sport. Unfortunately, men's rowing scholarships are not as plentiful since men's college rowing is not an NCAA sport.

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Sounds like they will change the rowing equipment--guess they are going to use Viking long boats

Seriously, if schools give this number of scholarships there will be a lot of dissatisfied bench warmers and a lot of transfer portal activity.
 
Alumni Hall said:
I believe the Title lX requirements stay the same. The scholarships must be proportionate to the student population makeup. That is the main reason we had to drop so many male sports back in the early 2000’s.
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The possibility exist though that adding all those ships on either side could still cause a shift in the population demographics. As the article says also, they don’t have to have full rosters. This is going to be very interesting on how this plays out.
 
RedStormNC said:
Those are new upper limits, not requirements right?

If so, don't see as big of deal. Having that many players on those teams are useless and just limit playing time for many.

Hope we are able to limit any adds as there is little to no value to SJU to expand any sports but basketball as none of them really help market university in any meaningful way.
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In several sports, they carry many more and closer to the new roster size than scholarships. They split the scholarships among players (which you aren’t allow to do in basketball and football) and use a mixture of financial aid, grants and academic money to fill in gaps. For instance, check out the sidelines of a Men’s Lacrosse or dugout of a baseball game (baseball has like 11 ships but were allowed to spread it out amongst 20 something players and roster over 30). There are plenty of players on the bench, more than double the scholarship limit.
 
SJU85 said:
In several sports, they carry many more and closer to the new roster size than scholarships. They split the scholarships among players (which you aren’t allow to do in basketball and football) and use a mixture of financial aid, grants and academic money to fill in gaps. For instance, check out the sidelines of a Men’s Lacrosse or dugout of a baseball game (baseball has like 11 ships but were allowed to spread it out amongst 20 something players and roster over 30). There are plenty of players on the bench, more than double the scholarship limit.
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Let’s see if SJU comes up cash to support all these new scholarships. Interesting that no where does it mention FULL scholarships meaning tuition fees books and room and board or matching stipend.
 
SJU85 said:
In several sports, they carry many more and closer to the new roster size than scholarships. They split the scholarships among players (which you aren’t allow to do in basketball and football) and use a mixture of financial aid, grants and academic money to fill in gaps. For instance, check out the sidelines of a Men’s Lacrosse or dugout of a baseball game (baseball has like 11 ships but were allowed to spread it out amongst 20 something players and roster over 30). There are plenty of players on the bench, more than double the scholarship limit.
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Walk-ons?
 
tom in salem said:
Walk-ons?
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Some but most are “recruited” with monetary considerations (academic, grants, financial aid etc.).

If you follow College Football, you hear announcers sometimes talk about a teams placekicker being a walk-on, and playing for a top notch program. In actually, most are not walk-ons in the truest sense. They were recruited but with NIL, places like Bama are using NIL instead of scholarships for specialty positions (Punter, Kicker and Long Snapper as examples) and using the scholarships on other positions.

We actually did that last year with one of our players as we were one over the 13 scholarship limit.
 
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