NBA Scouts & SJU

[quote="we are sju" post=298362]
Two things on 10 man rotation besides the obvious.
2. People have been complaining about Mullin not being a good coach and yet they want to increase the degree of difficulty by having him juggle 10 guys?[/quote]

This is why if we are ever able to balance our roster with a few more bigs I think the transfer game would continue to work. Having a backcourt and frontcourt player sit out a year isn’t that big of a deal if you are 10-11 players deep.

Even fewer teams play 12-13 players per game!
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=298180]Per Zach
Told 7 NBA scouts will be in tomorrow for St Johns practice. #nets have been in. #knicks will be in shortly

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I believe this is one of the more underrated selling points that Mullin has for recruits. He still has plenty of NBA connections.
 
[quote="stjohnnie75" post=298409][quote="we are sju" post=298362]
Two things on 10 man rotation besides the obvious.
2. People have been complaining about Mullin not being a good coach and yet they want to increase the degree of difficulty by having him juggle 10 guys?[/quote]

This is why if we are ever able to balance our roster with a few more bigs I think the transfer game would continue to work. Having a backcourt and frontcourt player sit out a year isn’t that big of a deal if you are 10-11 players deep.

Even fewer teams play 12-13 players per game![/quote]

It’s not different than redshirting a kid. I’d love to take 1-2 sit out transfers per year, as long as core 9-11 are balanced and a strong group. Sit out transfer can get acclimated for a year and a lot of talent is there to be had. We’ve done well with it. Definitely need a mix and need to get stronger recruiting HS kids though. Bob Huggins has a hefty win number, done with a lot of transfers and Jucos.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=298406]The idea that it is unusual to have 9 guys playing double digit minutes with success is just silly. Aside from Auburn, take a look at Providence and Xavier's stats, two of the more successful teams in the BE last year.[/quote]

Or you can look at the Final Four where Michigan & Nova played 8 with 8th man barely playing 11 mins and Kansas that played 7 guys.
Loyola did play 9 but 2 guys barely played 11 mins and their best 3 players all played over 31 mins.
You can find exceptions or outliers to anything but majority of successful basketball teams generally play 8.
 
We are sju wrote: Or you can look at the Final Four where Michigan & Nova played 8 with 8th man barely playing 11 mins and Kansas that played 7 guys.
Loyola did play 9 but 2 guys barely played 11 mins and their best 3 players all played over 31 mins.
You can find exceptions or outliers to anything but majority of successful basketball teams generally play 8.

I actually think it's pretty much a split between teams who play tight 7 or 8 man rotations and teams who play 9 or 10 with the last couple of guys playing 8-14 minutes. Would be interesting (but time consuming) to run the numbers. In any event, here's looking forward to a great season for our guys and it will be interesting to see how the rotation works itself out.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=298420][quote="NCJohnnie" post=298406]The idea that it is unusual to have 9 guys playing double digit minutes with success is just silly. Aside from Auburn, take a look at Providence and Xavier's stats, two of the more successful teams in the BE last year.[/quote]

Or you can look at the Final Four where Michigan & Nova played 8 with 8th man barely playing 11 mins and Kansas that played 7 guys.
Loyola did play 9 but 2 guys barely played 11 mins and their best 3 players all played over 31 mins.
You can find exceptions or outliers to anything but majority of successful basketball teams generally play 8.[/quote]

Which is exactly why the transfer game works. That 10-13th man is better used grabbing higher level players that want a change of scenery or a different team rather than a low-level Hs kid. Case in point Clark, Owens, Simon, Dixon, Keita, Eli Wright etc. these are 4-5 star kids. I’m sure Matt will be all over that.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=298421]We are sju wrote: Or you can look at the Final Four where Michigan & Nova played 8 with 8th man barely playing 11 mins and Kansas that played 7 guys.
Loyola did play 9 but 2 guys barely played 11 mins and their best 3 players all played over 31 mins.
You can find exceptions or outliers to anything but majority of successful basketball teams generally play 8.

I actually think it's pretty much a split between teams who play tight 7 or 8 man rotations and teams who play 9 or 10 with the last couple of guys playing 8-14 minutes. Would be interesting (but time consuming) to run the numbers. In any event, here's looking forward to a great season for our guys and it will be interesting to see how the rotation works itself out.[/quote]

Again what happens with guys 4-10 is not really my point anyway.
If 10 guys play that is fine but would shocked if Ponds, Heron and Simon don't average over 30
 
Ideally, I'd like to see those 3 average between 29-32 mpg. Heron averaged 29 last year in a 9 man rotation while our two averaged in high 30s out of necessity and both Mullin and players have alluded to fatigue all those minutes caused.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=298426]Ideally, I'd like to see those 3 average between 29-32 mpg. Heron averaged 29 last year in a 9 man rotation while our two averaged in high 30s out of necessity and both Mullin and players have alluded to fatigue all those minutes caused.[/quote]

I think more than mins it was Simon and ESPECIALLY Ponds had to do too much. Primary ball handlers and scorers. Even if they play same mins or slightly less Heron and Dixon takes a lot off their plates.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=298428][quote="NCJohnnie" post=298426]Ideally, I'd like to see those 3 average between 29-32 mpg. Heron averaged 29 last year in a 9 man rotation while our two averaged in high 30s out of necessity and both Mullin and players have alluded to fatigue all those minutes caused.[/quote]

I think more than mins it was Simon and ESPECIALLY Ponds had to do too much. Primary ball handlers and scorers. Even if they play same mins or slightly less Heron and Dixon takes a lot off their plates.[/quote]

...and Figueroa.
 
We are sju wrote: I think more than mins it was Simon and ESPECIALLY Ponds had to do too much. Primary ball handlers and scorers. Even if they play same mins or slightly less Heron and Dixon takes a lot off their plates.

Fair point. Probably was a little of both.
 
Mullin is a disciple of postionless basketball. He hasn't had the players to do it, this year he has. The best five are Ponds, Heron, Simon Clark and LJ. Dixon gets time off the bench as dos Keita. I'm not as hung up about how many minutes Keita gets. He still has to prove himself. He didn't see a lot of minutes at SC. Unless we're up against a stud big man I'm confident the first five can get the job done at both ends.
 
Even with max minutes for Ponds/Simon/Heron (which I agree should be the case as long as well-managed early for a long season), there is going to be a tremendous amount of pressure on Keita and Clark. Maybe it won't be plan A1A going into a game but especially when one or both have first half fouls we are going to need bodies.

I'm sure Roberts is going to get a chance and you'd love to get serviceable minutes from him but suspect that may be a challenge as he adjusts year 1 especially as we get into conference play.

I could be off on this but I think a combination of his size for a guard, year of experience, and steady play + spread floor ability that Trimble is going to be the 8th guy and is going to get minutes in key games. 10+, not at Ponds/Simon/Heron expense (I think Dixon largely fills those collectively), but at one of the other two spots on the floor when Clark/Keita sit. Teams are going to go at us on the interior and even without "trouble" the foul situation for those two is something staff will likely have to proactively manage especially early so that we aren't short late. Potentially an ongoing theme all year.

Think that all adds up to needing double digit minutes a lot of games from some combo of Roberts/Trimble/Williams and I think staff will often elect to go smaller and use Trimble's ability to spread floor / avoid mistakes over Roberts more traditional size. Think Williams will be more situational minutes for specific defensive assignments / press situations.
 
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[quote="Room112" post=298418][quote="Paultzman" post=298180]Per Zach
Told 7 NBA scouts will be in tomorrow for St Johns practice. #nets have been in. #knicks will be in shortly

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I believe this is one of the more underrated selling points that Mullin has for recruits. He still has plenty of NBA connections.[/quote]

Partly agree but having NBA level talent is what brings in scouts. We have 2 sure fire prospects and 3 possible others.
We need one every year to keep the scouts coming. Get that big for 2019 Mully!!!!!
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=298478][quote="Room112" post=298418][quote="Paultzman" post=298180]Per Zach
Told 7 NBA scouts will be in tomorrow for St Johns practice. #nets have been in. #knicks will be in shortly

Telling[/quote]

I believe this is one of the more underrated selling points that Mullin has for recruits. He still has plenty of NBA connections.[/quote]

Partly agree but having NBA level talent is what brings in scouts. We have 2 sure fire prospects and 3 possible others.
We need one every year to keep the scouts coming. Get that big for 2019 Mully!!!!![/quote]

Exactly, if you have NBA talent they will come. Mullin or not.
 
[quote="Mike" post=298488][quote="Class of 72" post=298478][quote="Room112" post=298418][quote="Paultzman" post=298180]Per Zach
Told 7 NBA scouts will be in tomorrow for St Johns practice. #nets have been in. #knicks will be in shortly

Telling[/quote]

I believe this is one of the more underrated selling points that Mullin has for recruits. He still has plenty of NBA connections.[/quote]

Partly agree but having NBA level talent is what brings in scouts. We have 2 sure fire prospects and 3 possible others.
We need one every year to keep the scouts coming. Get that big for 2019 Mully!!!!![/quote]

Exactly, if you have NBA talent they will come. Mullin or not.[/quote]

Not saying I disagree with that, but I do believe that Mullin can pull strings for kids to get them opportunities down the line. I don't mean kids like Ponds who sell themselves Having Golden State Warriors on campus 2 years in a row is not something any other coach has done.
 
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